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[frankie17]

Is Twelve Foot a respectable final prep run for Sydney Trailwalker, being 3 weeks out in August?

Or is it instead a spectacularly stupid thing to do prior to taper, being 90km long just 3 weeks out?

Thoughts?

[Spud]

Definitely a solid last hitout before a big target race. Have used is many times in the past.
3 weeks should be plenty of time for your taper.
Some might argue 12ft is as tough as Syd TW?

[rodthehornet]

Spud,

For you it would be a great workout......  Most likely a top stroll in the mountains.  Maybe even back up the next day and run C2S.

Word of warning if not accustomed to the distance, you could come out the back end fine or else with ITB, runners knee, tendinosis or some other nasty overuse injury.  I have had all of them after various long runs such as 12ft, TW, GOW.  High hammy tendinosis is the latest souvenir from GOW.  

Frankie, not sure of your ultra experience, but also have a think about an abridged version rather than the full monty.  Anywhere from 50-60km at an easy pace would be a nice hit out 3 weeks out and would minimise risk of overuse injury.

Or, you can just follow the crowd.  Most likely wave starts this year.

[djbleakman]

If it were me, I wouldn't do a 90km training run for a 100km race. Depending on what you want to achieve, 60-70kms should be enough, so maybe do an out and back to deviation campsite and back (just a tad under 70kms). I've done that a couple of times and its a nice run and can be done in daylight hours, depending upon your pace.

[Spud]

Oh you lot are soft, but entirely correct

Frankie,  60-70kms on the TW course itself (with some night running) would be the perfect training.

[TropicThunder]

Spud, on Jan 5 2011, 10:27 PM, said:

Oh you lot are soft, but entirely correct

Frankie,  60-70kms on the TW course itself (with some night running) would be the perfect training.

yes - train on the course - 100kms or near enough is alot of track to learn. Estimate where you hope to be at sunset and ensure you do from that point on at night.

once you know the course, train on stages 1 & 2 - they're hardest and the most scenic to boot

[Jogger]

So, same time, same place, Saturday 13th August 2011 ?
refer: http://www.city2surf.com.au/

[frankie17]

Spud, on Jan 5 2011, 10:27 PM, said:

Oh you lot are soft, but entirely correct

Frankie,  60-70kms on the TW course itself (with some night running) would be the perfect training.

Yes, fair enough.

I reckon I will stick to the TW course and limit to 60-70km.  Also, avoiding the 12FT conga on both out and return legs will be a plus.

[Brick]

Spud, on Jan 5 2011, 10:27 PM, said:

Oh you lot are soft, but entirely correct

Frankie,  60-70kms on the TW course itself (with some night running) would be the perfect training.

I agree spud soft.
I will most likley do both 12' Trcak and then Trailwalker 3 weeks later.
Why not it is alll fun.

frankie17, on Jan 6 2011, 09:08 AM, said:

Also, avoiding the 12FT conga on both out and return legs will be a plus.

It is 12' track not 6' track unless this year we have 200 people turn up.
No conga line for the last few years going down and nobody even close on the way back.
So not a problem.

[djbleakman]

Work out what your goals are. Do you want to excel in 'goal' races you work towards or be mediorce at everything. Think about your running longeivity too...

Would you go and run 41km at race pace 3 weeks before a road marathon? Probably not...

[Brick]

djbleakman, on Jan 6 2011, 04:02 PM, said:

Would you go and run 41km at race pace 3 weeks before a road marathon? Probably not...

Who said you had to go at close to race pace?
Who goes at race pace during a fatass run?

Most people us fatass runs as long training runs not races.

[djbleakman]

Brick, on Jan 6 2011, 06:06 PM, said:

Who said you had to go at close to race pace?
Who goes at race pace during a fatass run?

Winners...

[Brick]

djbleakman, on Jan 6 2011, 06:28 PM, said:

Winners...

I know you race fatass runs DNFDan but I did not know that you have ever won Trailwalker.
Or any 100km race for that matter.

[rodthehornet]

This pains me, but I am in with DJB here.......

Brick, on Jan 6 2011, 09:12 AM, said:

I agree spud soft.
I will most likley do both 12' Trcak and then Trailwalker 3 weeks later.
Why not it is alll fun.

I thought the question was fair and a couple of balanced answers were given (granted one of the answers was mine).  It wasnt what you would do, it was whether the option was right for the person asking the question, and reading into it what his goal race was.  I took some liberty in guessing his ultra experience, based on other posts.

Comforting to know I am 'soft'.  On the flip side, are you 'hard' because you can back up???  Of course the answer is no.  What people do is all relative to their bodies, capabilities and experience.  Noone is better or worse / harder or softer, whether they run 1,5,10,21.1,42.2, 100 or 200km.

Enough of my preaching and sh#t stirring.  I am about to harden up and go to work.  

[Brick]

rodthehornet, on Jan 6 2011, 07:17 PM, said:

This pains me, but I am in with DJB here.......



I thought the question was fair and a couple of balanced answers were given (granted one of the answers was mine).  It wasnt what you would do, it was whether the option was right for the person asking the question, and reading into it what his goal race was.  I took some liberty in guessing his ultra experience, based on other posts.

Comforting to know I am 'soft'.  On the flip side, are you 'hard' because you can back up???  Of course the answer is no.  What people do is all relative to their bodies, capabilities and experience.  Noone is better or worse / harder or softer, whether they run 1,5,10,21.1,42.2, 100 or 200km.

Enough of my preaching and sh#t stirring.  I am about to harden up and go to work.  

It's OK Rod I am also in agreement with Dan.
Just fishing and when you have such a big fish on the line with only a hook on the line you just have to keep winding him in. :Hook_Line_And_Sinker:  

[frankie17]

Brick, on Jan 6 2011, 09:12 AM, said:

I agree spud soft.
I will most likley do both 12' Trcak and then Trailwalker 3 weeks later.
Why not it is alll fun.


It is 12' track not 6' track unless this year we have 200 people turn up.
No conga line for the last few years going down and nobody even close on the way back.
So not a problem.

My tongue was in my cheek. No ultra exp (hence my q's) but a couple of six foots and a couple of road marathons. That's all.

Wanting to run maybe 18hrs for TW100 but had no particular speed in mind for Twelve Foot in the leadup.

Thanks all.

[RawAussieAthlete]

Race entries are so competitive these days, so I'm booking in early for 12 Foot...you know...to officially secure my starting position

[vstaR]

RawAussieAthlete, on 24 March 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Race entries are so competitive these days, so I'm booking in early for 12 Foot...you know...to officially secure my starting position

Just signed in too! Wooo Hoo! Entrant Number 2 (I hate being waitlisted!)

2 entrants in 4 hrs. Hope people aren't up past midnight hoping to secure a place.

[undercover brother]

3.
early start again please.

[Spud]

I already entered with the early bird veteran option, seamless entry procedure

[undercover brother]

i thought you have been given the lifetime race number 'one' spud?

[TropicThunder]

Remember - no salt tabs at the aid stations this year.

[Martin Dugdale]

I might go a bit further this year

[Brick]

I am in as a pacer.




Wait for it Dan or Rod!!!!!

[run2work]

Martin Dugdale, on 25 March 2011 - 04:56 AM, said:

I might go a bit further this year

Yes, no excuses this year. Broken leg indeed.

r2w

[ScamBullant]

Waiting to hear back about my submitted qualifier to run the 12ft-C2S double.

If accepted the gnomes may beat me on Sunday this year.

[RawAussieAthlete]

My race goal this year is to not end up in the sweeper position, with this expression on my face in between bouts of , , , , , , and .

Edited by RawAussieAthlete, 26 March 2011 - 11:09 PM.

[Sir Runalot]

I'm keen to get a single digit bib number too (they weigh less)...

Hope I'm accepted by the governing body and can satisfy the race committee's compulsory gear check and drug test  

[trailpuddin]

I'm in for the UCB Granny wave start.  Targetting 14:30 this year  

[undercover brother]

trailpuddin, on 23 May 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

I'm in for the UCB Granny wave start.

oh isn't that sweet - i have a wave named after me

[RawAussieAthlete]

Can the "powers that be" fix the incorrect date on the official 12FT page at:
    http://www.coolrunni...e=12_Foot_Track
It currently has the wrong 12FT start time of 7am, Saturday, 6th August 2011.
City2Surf is on Sun 14th August 2011, so the correct 12 Foot start time is definitely:
    7am Sat 13th August 2011

[Hamburglar]

RawAussieAthlete, on 22 June 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

Can the "powers that be" fix the incorrect date on the official 12FT page at:
    http://www.coolrunni...e=12_Foot_Track
It currently has the wrong 12FT start time of 7am, Saturday, 6th August 2011.
City2Surf is on Sun 14th August 2011, so the correct 12 Foot start time is definitely:
    7am Sat 13th August 2011

Not sure that I am the "powers that be", but I have updated the 12 foot page and the main calendar.

[seris]

Hamburglar, on 22 June 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Not sure that I am the "powers that be", but I have updated the 12 foot page and the main calendar.

So how about also shoving the date in the thread title? I hate all these threads about races with no date.
Please, you have the power?

[SMCRoadRaceSeries]

I might do anything from 3ft to ....?

seris, on 22 June 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

So how about also shoving the date in the thread title? I hate all these threads about races with no date.
Please, you have the power?

Burglar does not have all the power...some but not all...only Frankie or a mod can edit the title.

Brick, on 25 March 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

I am in as a pacer.

You can get a free entry and a flag

[Redback]

I know this may sound naive.....

What do you all eat over 11-14 hours, given that you have to carry it all with you?

Secondly, what do you wear (I don't get up to the mountains much in winter, particular to run in the cold)? I assume you layer up, but again you have to carry what you take off.

[Martin Dugdale]

Redback, on 23 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I know this may sound naive.....

What do you all eat over 11-14 hours, given that you have to carry it all with you?

bananas, trail mix, fruit cake, chips

Secondly, what do you wear (I don't get up to the mountains much in winter, particular to run in the cold)? I assume you layer up, but again you have to carry what you take off.

what do you want to take  off?
Icebreaker merino top, or 2 ,  skins, montrail jacket gloves beanie

[wadaye]

I'm in. Hopefully since I seem to hit the wall at around 40k perhaps I might make it at least one way.

Hey Hamburglar perhaps you might know where the prospective calender for upcoming fatass events is? I can only find the retrospective and entries are closed

[RawAussieAthlete]

Redback, on 23 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I know this may sound naive.....

What do you all eat over 11-14 hours, given that you have to carry it all with you?

Fresh fruit early in the race (like bananas) so I don't have to carry them for long.
Dates or other high calorie dried fruit for lightweight fuel. Sometimes I rehydrate the dates by soaking them in water for about 30 minutes while I run.
A few celery stalks is always nice when I'm after something that isn't sweet. They are lightweight and a great source of minerals.

Redback, on 23 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

Secondly, what do you wear (I don't get up to the mountains much in winter, particular to run in the cold)? I assume you layer up, but again you have to carry what you take off.

Run in shorts or skins with non nipple rubbing shirt, although a white shirt with bleeding nipples does look impressive.
Wear a lightweight all-weather jacket that you can tie around your waist when you don't need it.
Wind cutting gloves and beanie give you a lot of control over body temp. Simply put them in your pockets if you start getting too warm. Pockets in tri-shirts or cycling jerseys are very handy as are shorts with zip up pockets. Combined with pockets in your jacket you can get away with carrying a pretty small pack.
Carry long thermal tops and bottoms in case you slow down too much to stay warm.
Carry spare, dry socks. Change into them to prevent blisters as soon as you get grit in wet socks (e.g. after going through mud).

The beauty with 12 foot track is that it is an out-and-back race so you can stash things to pick up again on the return journey. But beware, because once you drop something, you are committed to going back and getting it. Never leave yourself without truly essential items for long (i.e. nightgear + food + water + space blanket or clothing to keep warm if you slow down). Sometimes things don't go exactly to plan in the mountains.

Edited by RawAussieAthlete, 27 June 2011 - 10:21 AM.

[RawAussieAthlete]

wadaye, on 23 June 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

Hey Hamburglar perhaps you might know where the prospective calender for upcoming fatass events is? I can only find the retrospective and entries are closed

Wadaye, the only FatAss calendar is at http://www.coolrunni...?title=Calendar


Who knows who usually maintains the FatAss calendar? Is it Kevin? Spud? Several people?
Perhaps it isn't surprising there were only 7 starters for Poor Man's Comrades 2011 when the run has already happened and still isn't listed on the FatAss calendar.
Who has the power to add to the calendar?
Can I be added to the Fat Ass admins? I'm an experienced IT guy.

[Bernie G]

Redback, on 23 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I know this may sound naive.....

What do you all eat over 11-14 hours, given that you have to carry it all with you?

Secondly, what do you wear (I don't get up to the mountains much in winter, particular to run in the cold)? I assume you layer up, but again you have to carry what you take off.

Interesting.........

[RawAussieAthlete]

RawAussieAthlete, on 26 June 2011 - 11:14 PM, said:

Perhaps it isn't surprising there were only 7 starters for Poor Man's Comrades 2011 when the run has already happened and still isn't listed on the FatAss calendar.

With a feature spot on the calendar there could have been perhaps a dozen fatasses on the conga line to Gosford  

[Redback]

Bernie G, on 27 June 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

Interesting.........

Hmmmm......very interesting...

[wadaye]

Good on  you Grant, only you could think of boosting mineral content of the diet during an ultra marathon! I love the celery idea to clean the teeth too

[RawAussieAthlete]

I'm stepping it up this year.
The Hermann Double of 12FT followed by C2S isn't challenging enough.
Instead I'm raising the bar and introducing the "12FT Redeye" variation, following 12FT with a Sunday flight to the US.

[Sir Runalot]

Gee, I hope that you get some leg room for those long pegs. Might just be a bit uncomfortable cramped up in cattle class.Watch out for DVT. I suppose you could always ask one of the flight crew* for a rub down if the legs are feeling sore.*note use of non-sexist terminology (was actually thinking 'hostess' when I wrote it)

[jcooper]

sounds fun im in

[buzzlightyear]

Coca cola at the Caves house never tasted SO good!!
Decided to not front up for this fatass. There are some sections of a course North of NSW where I need to familiarise myself with
Enjoy the double people...

[TheRidler]

I said I'd never do this again when I finished last year. So I'll see you all at the tree at 7.00am on Saturday the 13th.

Ridler

[RawAussieAthlete]

7s and 13s!
Looks like lady luck is playing with me.
I have 12FT on the 13th at 7am.
And in the Nov GNW100s I have race #13 and it will be my 7th attempt at the full monty.
I guess as long as the 7s and 13s balance out, it's all good right?

...and no I ain't superstitious, just a geek when it comes to numbers.

[gogirl]

Damn! I missed out on the early bird option and I'm hoping they will accept my late entry with a pleading letter explaining why I couldn't log on and how my computer was in getting repaired and my cat had kittens so I couldn't enter on time. If they accept my entry I will be there for a final hitout before Glasshouse, hoping for a wave of choice but I will run rebel if I have to. What are the race shirts like this year??