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#1 Davekyn

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:12 PM

Best MP3 set up for running & why?

I don’t always use an MP3 player out running, but there are times I find it very helpful to either keep me from being bored on very long runs, not that running ever bores me! (that one is just for the anti MP3 people!) Winks

I have found using an MP3 player very motivating by making my very own interval sound files. I will use a sound editing program like Gold Wave and insert a sports whistles at various allotted times to let me know, when to slow down or speed up. I’ll even throw in some positive self talk at intervals according to my routes...this is very very helpful if you want to build on your weak spots...I am still messing around with this as I’ve really only down in on my treadmill. Now that I have found an AWESOME MP3 player that does not weigh me down like a lead weight, I will begin making a wide array of PLAY LISTS to assist my runs.

The Play List is what can make or break your sessions. Sound is a big thing for me...I am very sensitive to the types of music I hear. For a long slow run I much prefer to listen to relaxation music from pipes,harps,bells and the like...in fact I have many sound files relating to many relaxation techniques I am yet to experiment with...Relaxed running has really helped me in many areas as well as my running times and distances.

I think a widely used technique sort to running with an mp3 player is simply to keep going, to find that zone that many non mp3 players say they enjoy without the media devices. I do both! That is to say sometimes I feel the need to desensitize so that I can really benefit such technologies as Bio Feedback...Theta/Delta/Alpha & Beta...therefore will go without for a period of time, then I will give myself a course of the stuff over a period of time. Whilst not using it I will just as easy slip into a meditative zone with my footfalls and breathing/thinking/not thinking........then of course.....I many just go polar and throw in some classics to fire my invincible neurons and pull in a new PB.

I really should put more work into my play-list with more thought on the way I react to what I hear...I have only been utilizing the tip of the ice berg and I know there is such a huge diversity of sound out there just to enhance the experience.

There is no doubt in my mind, that the combination of sound and running, when done correctly can yield better performances and in my case, go a long way to self medicating with stress release.
Obviously it’s not without its dangers, nor is driving with the radio on. There seems to be a huge amount of ANTI mp3 runners out there, and after reading a thread on it relating to rave events, I don’t think I will even bother with FUN runs as its all beginning to sound to strict for me. Just use common sense...there is enough arrogant people in the word without becoming one yourself...if your feel the need to spit, at least look at who you’re going to spit on...ok that did not sound right...just don’t spit in Singapore.

OK OK...enough rambling...I’ve used a lot of devices and most of them have been bricks...the worst brick of all was my iphone......now I have found something like a HDMA Audio Receiver that can fit into my new slinky/sexy running pants. At first I thought what the hell, am I going to fit into the little inside pocket of these frilly looking running pants. I figured a set of keys would tear the thing apart, but it turns out this little feather weight of an mp3 player sits snugly in them quite well.

As for earphones...I’ve tried many! I think the holes in my ears are like the one in my head...TOO BIG...I hate plugs as I like to hear what is going on around me. Buds, like plugs and all the new fancy ones kind of leave me feeling off balance...I sweat a lot, like most people do when they run hard and long distance and have shorted out many pairs...even the expensive ones too. The sweat that does not short them out just builds up and feels plain yuck and may possibly cause an ear infection...basically I hate ear phones of all kinds. The ones that just clip over the top of my ears either are simply too light which leads to have me adjust my running style as not to have them fall off...not to mention loss of sound quality which is of absolutely importance when it comes to reaping the benefit of using sound for enhanced/stimulation and so forth.

My choice over the years has been the Philips SBC HLI 40 light weight headphones!!! The Bass over your average earphones is BLISS!!!! The Padded speaker covers do a great job at with air ventilation helping to reduce sweat and keeping your balance unaffected. You can also reduce the volume to hear more of whats going on around you without giving up the quality of sound:

To get better results place your finger half way along the metal head band, place your other hand over the top to bend the two speaks towards and past each other whilst holding fast the middle of the band. This will help to keep a good each speaker well place against each ear for superb sound quality. Using a hat or even a head band will also increase clarity. For $16:00 at BigW it’s virtually unbeatable for running. The head set weighs in at only 60 grams!

Here are some pics of my current setup...Yet to review the player in full yet...but if you’re looking for something available local...try BigW and get the player as well for $47:92...its 4GB and does everything else others do...and it weight only 25grams!!!! Hope this was helpful or at least interesting?
That’s enough rambling from me...over to you lot...what’s your optimal set-up and why?
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 07:28 PM

Thanks for the details Dave!

My setup is an android phone (Droid), currently a Samsung Galaxy S, with in-ear phones. My idea is that I'm going to carry my phone with me anyway, so using it for music instead of an extra mp3 player just makes sense. My current arm-band was a generic iphone pouch but its dying a slow death from overuse and I'm looking out for a new one. However I have just ordered an Amphibx armband and waterproof headphones from Wiggle.com that will let me plug into some tunes in the rain or even when I'm swimming :)

Pros
- It has a radio function
- It can do text-to-speech to read me ebooks
- I can download podcasts on the go
- I have GPS navigation with google maps in case I'm lost somewhere (I like exploring :p) - EDIT: before I got my Garmin310XT I was also using my Droid to check my speed & log my runs.
- I have the phone handy for when the wife wants to know how many hours of running I have left or if I'm closing a real-estate deal lol
- The 16GB card I have added can hold most of my audio library

Cons
- The phone may be on the large size for some people but I dont mind it
- the in-ear phones are as annoying as hell and my latest ones block out traffic noises too much (I think I'll give the BigW ones you have a go!)
- I'm pathetic at setting up playlists
- Its not waterproof and I'm always in fear of dropping it when its not safely in its pouch
- I'm forever wrecking headphone leads either by catching it on something or soaking the controls it in spilled drink or rain

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 08:55 PM

Is there really anything to be gained with such quotes?
OK very good...thank you.
Your more than welcome Arn and thanks for your feedback! Makes perfect sense to me...I'm very interested in hearing what others use and why, although I don't think we need to quote everything I have said or uploaded...thanks guys.

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 09:29 PM

I use one of these:  

http://sp.sony-asia..../178/88622.jpeg

Well, the ancestor to it - mine is probably 10 years old.  Works a treat.  Weighs ~28grams and fits in the smallest of running short fob pockets.

Best of all, the sound absolutely sh*ts all over any i-pod I've listened to, even with the std Sony ear-buds supplied.

If sound quality is important, I'd recommend a Sony.

Edit: forgot to mention it also has a sports timer, which I use to time my runs.

Edited by WetWeek, 17 February 2011 - 09:45 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:38 AM

I don't usually run with music, but on the occasional long run I will. I got a new iPod Nano 6th gen for my birthday, which is very small and light. Plugged into some $20 Sony earplugs which feel more comfy, better sound quality, and slightly shorter cord then the supplied Apple ones...

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 04:38 AM

Now were talking ;)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:26 AM

ive always thought these were pretty cool

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1gb built in memory, battery lasts 6 hours. dunno about playlists etc.

130 bucks or thereabouts

(tho i just use my iphone)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:54 AM

View Posthenryjoseph, on 17 February 2011 - 04:38 AM, said:

I don't usually run with music, but on the occasional long run I will. I got a new iPod Nano 6th gen for my birthday, which is very small and light. Plugged into some $20 Sony earplugs which feel more comfy, better sound quality, and slightly shorter cord then the supplied Apple ones...

Yup, same here - until my Nano went through the wash.  I'm kindof enjoying the silence now - with music in my head, I don't feel like I get the de-stress that I need from running.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:22 AM

I always run with music. I am fussy about sound quailty and only really listen to whole albums, which could be anything from Leonard Cohen to System of a Down, depending on what sort of mood I am in.

I use one of these, which is perfect for my needs - great sound, very light, belt clip, battery lasts ages,  can copy files to it in Windows explorer (no stupid itunes reqd). I am not too fussed about features like playlists etc but it does all that stuff too

http://www.sandisk.c...p3-players.aspx

I have about 6 sets of aftermarket headphones and find these are best for running

http://reviews.cnet....7-31966554.html

Not the very best sound of all my headphones, but close.  I find the in ear ones annoying when running (+ they dont stay in) and these fit perfectly, and more importantly stay in perfectly during any activity.  Only criticism is the asymetrical cord. Reading reviews people either love them or hate them due to the strange fittign arrangement, but they work for me.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 10:05 PM

OK here's the low down on the best mp3 setup yet (well for me anyway).  Yes I'm fanatical about music when I run - no music, no run.  I've tried many combo's here it is...

MP3 PLAYER - ipod shuffle (tiny, easy to change tracks, will upload play data to itunes when you get back)

HEADPHONES -  vsonic inner ear headphones (R02Pro2).  They are very bassy, clear and block out all other noise including your feet, breathing, cars etc.  These do not budge and don't need any adjusting if you fit them with non standard SHURE foam medium tips.  

I did most of my research for this from a headphone shop in Melbourne (I think)
http://headphones.co...pic.php?f=2&t=7
(wow there's a forum just for headphones)

....and one of the best tracks to get you out on the road



enjoy

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 10:44 PM

View Posthenryjoseph, on 17 February 2011 - 04:38 AM, said:

I don't usually run with music, but on the occasional long run I will. I got a new iPod Nano 6th gen for my birthday, which is very small and light. Plugged into some $20 Sony earplugs which feel more comfy, better sound quality, and slightly shorter cord then the supplied Apple ones...


Same, I also use the current Ipod Nano. Its just tiny and holds a heap of music so it doesn't need to be updated all of the time. It also connects to the Nike Shoe thingy with the use of a reciever.

For headphones, I use the Addidas/Sennheiser ones that clip around the ear and the speaker covers the ear hole. The sound isn't as good as the Apple in-ear headphones, but these headphones are water/sweat resistant, you can still hear whats going on around you such as closing runners from behind and they tend to not fall off.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 11:04 PM

View Postbjsa06, on 15 March 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

no music, no run.

What would you do if you were lined up for the start of a race, and your music player carked it?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 02:39 AM

View PostBellthorpe, on 15 March 2011 - 11:04 PM, said:

What would you do if you were lined up for the start of a race, and your music player carked it?

Or, if you were 500 meters from the Finish Line and the music player carked?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 08:58 AM

View PostTuttle, on 16 March 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

Or, if you were 500 meters from the Finish Line and the music player carked?

Oh please, I can't bear to think about it!! (but I do carry a nano spare, just for 'emergencies')

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 09:49 AM

View PostDavekyn, on 16 February 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

Best MP3 set up for running & why?


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:02 AM

i hear you huff...

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:34 AM

View Postbjsa06, on 16 March 2011 - 08:58 AM, said:

Oh please, I can't bear to think about it!! (but I do carry a nano spare, just for 'emergencies')

You seriously carry a spare iPod on runs? Wow.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 11:53 AM

View Postundercover brother, on 16 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

i hear you huff...

I take your point totally.  Running/bushwalking in our great country, nothing better, the sounds of the land and running towards the horizon, can't beat it.

I use the music to escape the smelly trucks thundering down South Rd (Adel).  A pseudo peace and a poor substitute for the scenes in your photo.

I don't always need an ipod.....

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:49 PM

View Postbjsa06, on 16 March 2011 - 11:53 AM, said:


I use the music to escape the smelly trucks thundering down South Rd...

Ah, those are ear buds, not nose plugs...

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 01:38 PM

View Postundercover brother, on 16 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

i hear you huff...
Amen
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I should add that I don't always run without music. If I run with music, I use my iphone (if only becuase I carry it if work or family needs me).
By the way, that's Swansea on the east coast of Tasmania.

Edited by TheRuns, 16 March 2011 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:00 PM

Good photos folks. Surprised that you had an iPhone handy to cameraise the view though ;)

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:39 PM

View PostaDrain, on 16 March 2011 - 03:00 PM, said:

Good photos folks. Surprised that you had an iPhone handy to cameraise the view though ;)
I KNEW someone would comment on that! We were on holiday in Tasmania in February. I left my wife and kids asleep in the hotel to go for a run. I took the phone so she could call me in case the kids went feral. What I did when we were away was give her an estimate of how far I thought I could run and how long it could take. This was unfortunately a very uneducated number, as perusing street directories and Google maps only goes so far in planning these things on the fly. Anyway, the RoadID I wear is of limited use on holiday, so the phone was there as well.
On the other hand, I've been able to see some beautiful scenery in the limited time I've been running, and I've often wished for a way to record it.
This was the view from the start of the Weston Creek Half Marathon on Sunday:
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Picture courtesy Epsom Rd Studios.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:45 PM

View PostHuff, on 16 March 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

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Seriously, you run through this beautiful terrain?  What a waste.  It's like renting a beautiful movie and fast forwarding all the way through.  Slow down and smell the roses (or rather, ferns).

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:48 PM

I have ditched the music in the last 6 months so I can now focus more on the moment.
But when I did, ipod shuffle (with buttons)and sennheiser in ear buds,  the sport type that can resist sweat and can be rinsed afterwards. The ipod is great just clip it to the shirt and go.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:51 PM

funnily enough, i can still see all the landscapes with my earphones in.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 04:29 PM

View PostWetWeek, on 16 March 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Seriously, you run through this beautiful terrain?  What a waste.  It's like renting a beautiful movie and fast forwarding all the way through.  Slow down and smell the roses (or rather, ferns).

I run through forested areas like that every day.

If I understand you correctly, I should ditch running and take up walking as my preferred sport?




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Posted 16 March 2011 - 04:49 PM

It's like the "Why run when you can walk? Why walk when you can stand? Why stand when you can sit? Why sit when you can lie down?" quote I saw attributed to Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 05:01 PM

Why listen to the same track over and over again when you can listen to lots of new ones.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 05:44 PM

You guys do know that one of the universal laws of existence is that any discussion about iPods amongst runners WILL turn into a GOOD vs EVIL debate, yeah?

As you can see, that's exactly where this one is headed.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 05:58 PM

Oh I don't know. Legend has it that one day there will come a runner who unites those who fight against the sound and those who embrace it. They will end the blood feud between the "Noisy ones" and the "Silent brigade".
I thought this was turning into a photo gallery of sorts.
I had hoped it wouldn't be a case of us versus them as most of the recent posters have expressed neutral or bipartisan views.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 07:15 PM

There you go, being divisive.

Which side are you on, neutral or bipartisan?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 08:24 PM

Um... both?

I am neutral. Yes, that it. Neutral. I have no opinion (or it doesn't matter).

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 08:55 PM

View PostHuff, on 16 March 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

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Wouldn't all that foliage make your ears itch?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 09:00 PM

View PostTheRuns, on 16 March 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

Um... both?

I am neutral. Yes, that it. Neutral. I have no opinion (or it doesn't matter).

I pronate towards chocolate.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 11:58 PM

View PostWetWeek, on 16 March 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Seriously, you run through this beautiful terrain?  What a waste.  It's like renting a beautiful movie and fast forwarding all the way through.  Slow down and smell the roses (or rather, ferns).
sheesh...there's always one ;)
i do understand this argument to a degree.
i think the overland track is much nicer to walk than run.
having said this over the last few years i have seen... kepler, alpine 100 mile course, bogong-hotham, 4 peaks, razorback run, wilsons prom, great ocean walk, 6&12 foot track, heaps at glasshouse and brissie forest park, sunshine coast great walk, lamington NP etc.. etc... etc...
if i hiked instead of run this i would've seen 1/6-10th of what i have.
being able to run 80km+ during daylight is a bloody fantastic way to see the country.
its just a wonderful experience.
if i walked all of this i would never work.
(rather than hardly work).
...and here's another frigging photo.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 09:02 PM

When I run with music (which happens less now than it did a couple of months ago) I use an older ipod shuffle and a pair of Shure E2 in-ear 'phones with the medium-sized foam tips.

The foam is comfortable and allows me to hear what's going on around me, while still giving me enough of the music for motivation/distraction.

The Shure earphones wrap aroud the back of my head and over my ears. From there the cord goes down my back and under my HR strap then out my left sleeve and down to the shuffle which clips to the overlap on my HRM watch.

If that sounds complicated it is, and it's probably one of the reasons why I can get out for a run much faster now (without music) than I could before.

And music volume? I tell my kids that the right volume is when it's *just* a little louder than 'too soft'. Protects my hearing and allows me to be aware of my surroundings. And finally- the Shures are great for sound quality but a little light on bass compared to, say, Sony or Sennheiser if that's important to you.

Having said all of that I intend to run most of my runs this year without music, but with my CR visor. Slow down for a minute or 2 as you pass me. I'd love to have a chat.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:13 PM

bright 4 peaks 2009.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:31 PM



I clicked on the image, but heard only silence.



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Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:31 PM

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Monument Hill -  moments ago!

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 02:03 PM

I'm an unashamed music listener - mostly run at night after work etc.
I'm on call alot so have to have a phone and be able to talk. I use an iphone and have got some plantronics headphones recently which are bluetooth. You can answer calls, skip tracks etc.... They're fantastic.
I now don't have to stop and do some weird contortion with the phone on my arm to speak.
I'm an obsessive playlist organiser so that's catered for.
When not on call I like a ipod nano with the wheel bit so you can go forward/back through tracks. Have sony sweatproof headphones - seems to go nicely.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:23 PM

View PostHuff, on 16 March 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

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I run through the Cross - doesn't look or sound like that. I use a ipod shuffle 75% of the time. Might be different if the catcalls and come-ons by junkies and prostitutes were as beautiful sounding as bird calls and the wind through the trees.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:38 PM

Hmmm I reckon I know that track Huff -- up on Mt Macedon ??

As for Wet Week's comments, I am the slowest bushwalker I know. Always annoying companions by stopping to look at amazing little plants, fungi etc. But I also love running through the bush. The bush is a bit like a bed -- there's more than one good thing you can do in it.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:33 PM

Hi Dave & guys,

So pleased I found your chat.  My trusty Phillips mp3 player is dying a very sad death and I'm desperately searching for a replacement.  I'm wondering, Dave, how the Laser is working out for you, wether you still recommend it a few months down the track.  

It shouldn't be this hard to find a decent mp3 player just for running! So frustrating if you don't to go down the Apple path.  

Thanks for your thoughts,

Al

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 11:43 PM

my latest advancement on the mp3 front:

I have previous used an ipod, but needed to be contactable via my phone (iphone).  So I started listening to my iphone...but...you can't change tracks without turning on the screen and mucking around with the touch functions.  (I don't wear track changing headphones by the way because I prefer high quality non apple head phones).  Anyway after you've fallen down 2 curbs and dodged a truck or two.....

I can now use my iphone like an ipod.  I have set it up so that the top button (power) advances one track per click, and the volume buttons still function as they should.  I can do all this with my phone in standby mode!  So I don't need to look to change tracks anymore!!  Problem solved.  I can also assign any button on the iphone to perform any function I choose.  For example, when tapping twice on the date section at the top of the screen I can go straight to message bank (and multiple other combinations of functions).

if there is any interest in doing this your end, please reply and I'll tell you how.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 05:38 AM

Bjsa, please post details on how you do that with your iPhone.
Much appreciated.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:27 PM

Why would you bother to setup your iphone to skip songs when you press the On/Off button?  Why not just use the inline mic? (double press to skip songs, once to pause, up/down volume)  Or are you using non in-line mic headphones?

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 05:55 PM

I don't care for music at all, but I couldn't run without my iphone so I can listen to podcasts.  I tried music today (one of the motiontraxx podcasts as it was fast) and after about 15 minutes I had enough of it, and changed to a podcast.  I listen to so many interesting things while I run or walk via podcasts.

Couldn't run without runkeeper either.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 06:27 PM

View Postvoiletmay, on 11 June 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

Couldn't run without runkeeper either.
not exactly sure what this is.
but if it suddenly stopped working what would you do? stop?

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:44 PM

View Postundercover brother, on 11 June 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

not exactly sure what this is.
but if it suddenly stopped working what would you do? stop?

Runkeeper is an iphone app, that tells you your distance, pace, time etc. When you get back home you get a gps map of where you have run.  So if I didn't have it running while I ran, I would have no idea of the time/distance I was running.

Does the same thing as a GPS watch I guess, only I can listen to podcasts/music at the same time as it records all these details.

I think running would be a very lonely thing if I was without my iphone, I honestly don't think I could do it without my iphone.  I really admire those people than can just run free without gadgets, maybe I will get to that stage one day, but can't see it at the moment.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 09:01 PM

I ran with music for a while but stopped when I started running in the dark for safety. It's quite nice actually even on the long runs. But admittedly I do love my gps watch. Might have to do some runs without it when resting after GC half