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[TynoMite]

I'm sure I remember an earlier thread designed to raise questions about specific moderating instances, but I'll be blowed if I can find it.
So, I'm whinging here.
I had a post. It's gone.
Looking at the timeline in the thread, I assume several other posts are gone too.
Is my memory fuzzy or was there a general consensus that if your post gets killed, the Mod would let you know why?
I know I didn't say anything offensive.

[plu]

Hi TynoMite,

I remember your post that you are speaking about - you were suggesting another cool runner follow his/her own advice.

There have been three moderators fielding reported posts about comments on that thread and in my case   several DMs and even a phone call.

The threaded gmail between the three moderators has  almost 10 conversations between us this evening.

It was decided that all references to the issue we were dealing with be removed ( that was the context of  the removal of several posts)  with warnings issued where appropriate.

Hope this sets the scene a bit better for you.

cheers  Plu

[CoolRunning Admin]

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I'm sure I remember an earlier thread designed to raise questions about specific moderating instances, but I'll be blowed if I can find it.

The thread is here:
http://www.coolrunni...showtopic=21488

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I had a post. It's gone.
Looking at the timeline in the thread, I assume several other posts are gone too.
Is my memory fuzzy or was there a general consensus that if your post gets killed, the Mod would let you know why?
I know I didn't say anything offensive.

Your post was removed as it referred to post(s) deleted not because there was anything wrong with it - and therefore most people would wonder what the heck was going on - a late note has been added here:
http://www.coolrunni...x...st&p=460258

Sorry.

Kevin

[rohan]

some good mods out there who leave a quick reason as to why something disappeared or got edited, and some bad one(s) who are too quick to press delete, but give no reason.
yes i've had a few pretty bland posts disappear, but none recently.

just retype your post and put it in there again, and make a note to others that it might disappear. when i've done that, it's stayed the second time.

the thread where the gay runner was wanting to meet other gay runners had posts disappearing fairly frequently, with no mod feedback, and none of the ones i saw disappear were a problem... in my opinion.




thanks kevin.
actually kevin puts more work into his reasons than a mod really has to.

thanks to plu too, who seems to give reasons when he acts on stuff.

[plu]

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some good mods out there who leave a quick reason

Earlier this evening we went down that path and then decided to take the latest course of action- I guess it also depends on when people pop into a certain thread as to whether they know what is going on.

cheers  Plu

[CoolRunning Admin]

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some good mods out there who leave a quick reason as to why something disappeared or got edited, and some bad one(s) who are too quick to press delete, but give no reason.

I have often deleted but said nothing but often I have written something.
I believe that sometimes cleaning a thread so it reads well for x thousand people is better than have a thread with "post removed" "post removed" on every other post as its hard to read and just raises more questions than it answers.
If someone really wants to know why not email info@coolrunning.com.au and ask ?
Does every bit of everyones dirty laundry need to be aired in public ? The answer is probably "not 100% of the time"
If you ask and we give an unsatisfactory answer then happy for you to slag us down in public.

For people wondering what the F is going on - Ironkid's usual provacateur posted his usual crap, that was then responded to by a bunch of people, tynomite included. We had some "report" the behaviour, and decided to remove all the posts. The person concerned will have all his posts monitored by a mod before they become public - any continuing bad behaviours will see that account/email address banned, as per usual procedure.

Kevin

[Tiger Boy]

CoolRunning Admin, on May 16 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

If you ask and we give an unsatisfactory answer then happy for you to slag us down in public.

Kevin

Geez Kevin, I'm not sure that should ever happen. Polite query in public as to what happened, sure, but slagging off the mods? I would hope we don't see too much of that.

IMHO, the vast majority of CR members, are really just guests on somebody elses website. The "owner" for want of a better term, has used their discretion to allow certain members moderating rights. That is a judgement call of the owner, and also their right. If we wish to post here, then we know we need to behave, we shouldn't need reminding.
Sure, if you have a post deleted or moderated it may be nice to be told why, but if you don't like the response, you always have the option of avoiding the website, or setting up your own sight where you can do/say whatever you want.

Just my 2c.

[paigebaby]

IK it wasnt you.  A provocateur is someone who harrasses and tries to get a rise out of someone.  So it was someone who was being disrespectful to you.

[fastguts]

IronMan001, on May 17 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Ummm, what ? I'm sure I've backed off with a lot of my posting and I've stopped posting crap. :S

I think you're ok IM. The moderators deleted the posts of the person who regularly writes stuff to try and upset you.
'Provocateur' means 'trouble maker' basically. So someone who was trying to stir you up.

Congrats on your race BTW
I ran my first race the other day as well so I know how good it feels to get it under your belt.

[TynoMite]

Sweet, thanks Kev and Plu

[Colin]

IronMan001, on May 17 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

Ummm, what ? I'm sure I've backed off with a lot of my posting and I've stopped posting crap. :S

paigebaby, on May 17 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

IK it wasnt you.  A provocateur is someone who harrasses and tries to get a rise out of someone.  So it was someone who was being disrespectful to you.

Not an excuse for bad behaviour, but the above is a reason why so much flak seems to accompany this poster...i.e. a naive lack of understanding of what others are saying sometimes, which lead into unnecessary circular arguments.

cheers

[Colsy]

Colin, on May 17 2009, 12:34 PM, said:

Not an excuse for bad behaviour, but the above is a reason why so much flak seems to accompany this poster...i.e. a naive lack of understanding of what others are saying sometimes, which lead into unnecessary circular arguments.

cheers

And then compounded by people like you who point it out.



And then compounded by people like me who point you out.


And the cycle goes on.





edited to add smiley face

Edited by Colsy, 17 May 2009 - 02:37 PM.

[Colin]

Colsy, on May 17 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

And then compounded by people like you who point it out.



And then compounded by people like me who point you out.


And the cycle goes on.





edited to add smiley face

...actually it wasn't me who pointed out his mistake about 'provocateur', I pointed out the general naivity...just wanted to point that out...

although thanks for pointing out your observation

[Lame]

Interesting thread. All things considered I think the moderators/administrator do a pretty good job but they are human and ocassionally they are overzealous and can get things wrong. A little bit of harmless fun that doesn't affect anyone (like the Lame thread) shouldn't be moderated under the guise of "breaching the rules". That's unnecessary. a bit too much like Big Brother and takes the fun out of Coolrunning.

Edited by whiter hole, 19 May 2009 - 04:04 AM.

[Huff]

Colin, on May 17 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

...actually it wasn't me who pointed out his mistake about 'provocateur', I pointed out the general naivity...just wanted to point that out...

although thanks for pointing out your observation

Lot of pointing going on.  Just remember whenever you point at someone you have three fingers pointing back at yourself!!

[Colin]

Huff, on May 19 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Lot of pointing going on.  Just remember whenever you point at someone you have three fingers pointing back at yourself!!

Thanks for 'pointing' that out too.

...although I wasn't pointing at anything with a finger.

[Didge]

Colin, on May 19 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

Thanks for 'pointing' that out too.

...although I wasn't pointing at anything with a finger.

Can anyone tell me what the point of all of this is?

[Lame]

Didge, on May 18 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

Can anyone tell me what the point of all of this is?

I think everyone just wants "Lame" back.

[Colin]

whiter hole, on May 19 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

I think everyone just wants "Lame" back.

A lame point.

[Lame]

Colin, on May 18 2009, 08:22 PM, said:

A lame point.

Careful Colin, any attempt at lame humour may leave you liable for moderation!

Hey Swaggers,

I can't believe that they have banned Lamer as well - that must almost be a record - one post and banned! All he was trying to do was keep the "Are lame threads lame" going too. No nasty stuff, no finger pointing, no swearing, no picking on anyone, no trawling, no baiting, no playing the man, nothing to contravene the rules that I can tell etc.  Just wanting to contribute in his own Lame way.

Edited by whiter hole, 21 May 2009 - 01:57 PM.

[swaggerer]

If you ban Lamer, why aren't you banning Swaggerer aka Lamererer, Ron1, GoodRat et al?
Fair go. Lamer was just trying to add some harmless fun lovin' humour to the site.  
Cheers,
Ron.

[rohan]

to explain for those who blinked and missed it, the are-lame-threads-lame? thread got bumped by a poster called "lamer".
ron-of-the-ever-changing-names also chipped in.

neither post was offensive. sure it could be considered juvenile, but removing it was unnecessary.
just stop the "lamer" poster posting under that name again. they'd had their little joke.

no explanation was given for the disappearances.

[swaggerer]

Just to clarify.  Lamer tried to start the thread up again.  He wrote in large letters somethng about  Lame's big brother Lamer (sorry i forget th exact words).  Harmless bit of fun on his part.

I responded with "Lame but very funny.   Your old mate Lamererer." In biggererer words.  Yes immature and not at all PC but pretty harmless really.

For Admiin. to just delete this without an explanation gives the impression that a really offensive exchange took place.  It is wrong of the moderators to allow that impression to continue through not explaining their actions.

Rowan I only have one account up and running.  I have never really hidden my ID. Most CRs know who I am.  How do I know you aren't Lamer? How do I know  Rudi isn't Admin.?  How do I know whiter hole isn't Lamer - oh I do know.  So it is a transparent bit of fun.  He is playing on the name lame to make a joke.  Gee go figure.   The most heinous crime ever on CR.  

It is more offensive when opportunists  use such things to , for instance, slag others as juvenile.  

Recall the old saying:  "A truth told with ill-intent is worse than the lies one can invent."

Cheers,
Swagger.

Edited by swaggerer, 21 May 2009 - 03:49 PM.

[Colsy]

[Lame]

I'm toying with the idea of creating Lamerer but I don't want to waste another email address.  For the record Lamer's one and only post was in reply to the "You've been outlamed" post which went something like - maybe..............maybe not.............Lame's big brother Lamer thinks there may be a bit more to this thread. Or something like that.  The admin/mods pulled it off just for that! What a joke - it's even lamer than lame or lamer!

This was my response below:

Hey Swaggers,

I can't believe that they have banned Lamer as well - that must almost be a record - one post and banned! All he was trying to do was keep the "Are lame threads lame" going too. No nasty stuff, no finger pointing, no swearing, no picking on anyone, no trawling, no baiting, no playing the man, nothing to contravene the rules that I can tell etc. Just wanting to contribute in his own Lame way.

GO FIGURE!!!!!!!!

ps I called the mods a nasty word in a PM to Swaggerer and Swaggers pulled me up for it (probably quite rightly) so I think swaggers has been delt harshly and deserves some answers to his questions.

Edited by whiter hole, 21 May 2009 - 05:00 PM.

[Colin]

whiter hole, on May 19 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

I can't believe that they have banned Lamer as well - that must almost be a record - one post and banned! All he was trying to do was keep the "Are lame threads lame" going too. No nasty stuff, no finger pointing, no swearing, no picking on anyone, no trawling, no baiting, no playing the man, nothing to contravene the rules that I can tell etc.  Just wanting to contribute in his own Lame way.

The moderators weren't very busy today.

I was actually thinking that someone should post under the name "point" in answer to

Didge, on May 19 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

Can anyone tell me what the point of all of this is?

...or something silly like that.

....but didn't want to give the moderators more work

[Lame]

Colin, on May 21 2009, 12:49 AM, said:

The moderators weren't very busy today.

I was actually thinking that someone should post under the name "point" in answer to ...or something silly like that.

....but didn't want to give the moderators more work

COLIN, DON'T TEMPT ME!!!!

Edited by whiter hole, 21 May 2009 - 05:00 PM.

[Jogger]

whiter hole - what needs to be said ?
you created an account called Lame and posted shit.

As pointed out before:

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It is worth making it clear - people are allowed to have more than one account - it is impossible to police in any case. However it is NOT OK to have multiple accounts to use as trolls or to cause trouble. So creating a 2nd account called "lame" and only posting about lame stuff could be seen as trolling - refer point 5 of the posting guidelines.

So we "banned" the account. However you are not banned, you can keep posting.

So you have created another account called Lamer and posted more shit.

You want to know why we deleted the posts and "banned" it ? Figure it out.

Post shit under your own name but we do not want to let you set a precedent of creating more and more accounts to post shit. USE YOUR ACCOUNT.

This was exactly why we "banned" some of Ron's accounts (I should check to confirm they are all "banned" other than his current one). He never understood either but its simple: You are not allowed to create multiple accounts to cause tropuble, post shit and generally waste peoples time/effort in reading. Its a running website and in my own opinion as "president" of CoolRunning we give people a lot of leeway in what they are allowed to post. However it's not "anything goes". We only have a few rules, play by them or face the consequences.

If you keep creating accounts I will keep banning them. I have more patience than you. Trust me.

[Colsy]

On ya Kev.

[Lame]

JoggerKev, on May 21 2009, 02:31 AM, said:

whiter hole - what needs to be said ?
you created an account called Lame and posted shit.

I'm not the only one to create an account and post shit!

Edited by whiter hole, 22 May 2009 - 01:28 AM.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Why is this an issue? Someone did something pointless, dumb and stupid then complains when somebody calls them on it. I believe the saying is get your head out of your arse.

[tim]

JoggerKev, on May 21 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

Post shit under your own name

done

[swaggerer]

Admin.
I think whiter holes posts are funny and harmless.  I think he created the account to have some innocent fun.  Like he said no put downs or anything offensive which others seem to rely on and indeed embrace.

Kev. I have never created an account to cause trouble.  That is just your misguided opinion.  You rationalise more than a pregnant woman on speed.

Colsy.  So the Lame thread bores you?  Turn your Ipod up.

Better still go to site that interests you. Clearly real runners bore you.  Try the Colour Co -ordination for Discerning Wanna-be Distance Runners.

FTP:  You're a classic bully.  Get a lend of Colsy's Ipod.  There is a song on there about you. " I am blogger I blog when everyone is on my side."      

Don't worry WH.  These guys clearly have the moderators on side. FTP, Kev et al have made more humourless, witless and offensive remarks then you or have put together.   We may not win mate but at least we can see through their bullshit.  And that is what riles them most.

Swagger.

[Cato]

Looks like the same old paranoia is creeping back in from some people, who seem to believe that Kev has got it in for them.
Oops I forgot I am not allowed to say that someone may be "paranoid".
I will probably get moderated.
Sorry Tim.
Perhaps I'm being paranoid.
Damn I did it again!!

Cato

[swaggerer]

Cato, on May 22 2009, 10:40 AM, said:

Looks like the same old paranoia is creeping back in from some people, who seem to believe that Kev has got it in for them.
Oops I forgot I am not allowed to say that someone may be "paranoid".
I will probably get moderated.
Sorry Tim.
Perhaps I'm being paranoid.
Damn I did it again!!

Cato

Now you're clearly being obsessive .  And rather tiresome .
  

Swagger.

[tim]

Looks like the same old paranoia is creeping back in from some people, who seem to believe that Tim has got it in for them.

[rohan]

swaggerer, on May 22 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

Like he said no put downs or anything offensive which others seem to rely on and indeed embrace.

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you then put down kev, pregnant women, colsy and fpt.


pot, meet kettle.

[FakePlasticTrees]

swaggerer, on May 22 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

Now you're clearly being obsessive .  And rather tiresome .
  

Swagger.

Hypocrisy, thy name is swagger.

[Cato]

tim, on May 22 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Looks like the same old paranoia is creeping back in from some people, who seem to believe that Tim has got it in for them.

Now you know you're not allowed to say that!!

Cato

[Colsy]

swaggerer, on May 22 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

Admin.

Colsy.  So the Lame thread bores you?  Turn your Ipod up.


Swagger.

Its not the thread that is boring me. You remind me of a guy we have here at work. He is fine so long as he is not under stress. He is nice and friendly and willing to help. But as soon as he gets under stress he starts pointing the finger at everyone around him and dobbing in his mates.

The Depression thread is a hit with some and useful to many, I am thinking you could benefit from starting up a Manic thread.

[Colin]

Colsy, on May 22 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

The Depression thread is a hit with some and useful to many, I am thinking you could benefit from starting up a Manic thread.

Now if that doesn't get moderated then what will?

btw Tim is just paranoid that perhaps no one is paranoid enough to think that he has it in for them.

[swaggerer]

FakePlasticTrees, on May 22 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Hypocrisy, thy name is swagger.

You have established beyond doubt (in your own mind) that a fellow poster is a hypocrite.  Good job. That's the CoolRunning spirit.  

I think that when a lurker shows up periodically to take a shot at a particular poster or posters whilst they are in a debate that he or she isn't engaged in -  it is somewhat obsessive.

Swagger.

Edited by swaggerer, 22 May 2009 - 12:18 PM.

[swaggerer]

Colsy, on May 22 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

Its not the thread that is boring me. You remind me of a guy we have here at work. He is fine so long as he is not under stress. He is nice and friendly and willing to help. But as soon as he gets under stress he starts pointing the finger at everyone around him and dobbing in his mates.

The Depression thread is a hit with some and useful to many, I am thinking you could benefit from starting up a Manic thread.

Colsy. You're under stress.  By all means start that manic thread.  It may help you cope better.

edit Colsy. I responded to your posts (or more precisely yourbaiting).  I haven't hit the report button. You're being delusional.   I deal with errant behaviours as best I can.  Psychologists say that people like you see in others what they hate in themselves.  

Swagger.

Edited by swaggerer, 22 May 2009 - 12:54 PM.

[Lame]

Colin, on May 21 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Now if that doesn't get moderated then what will?

btw Tim is just paranoid that perhaps no one is paranoid enough to think that he has it in for them.

Now, now everyone let's play the ball and play nice.

When I first logged on as Lame, Tim arguably did the right thing by the rules and banned me for an hour or so from using the Lame account. I didn't have a problem with that but the subsequent banning I found very hard to understand when I went to great lengths to explain to Tim and others that I wanted to use the "lame" name rather than whiter hole (I even PM'd Tim). I only wanted to change my alias to change the 'whiter hole' name to something I liked more. It also just happened to be topical at the time with the Lame thread. I still think 'Whiter hole' is a stupid name (how I got that name is a whole other story) and I would rather be Lame but I can't physically make the name change and in any case the Lame account is banned. To then ban 'Lamer' was even more hard to understand for the reasons above but unfortunately in our world there are those that have power that feel the needs to exercise it. Shit happens - I can't convinve them (I've tried) so I hace to accept it. I like swagger have never created an account to use for trouble - only for fun which I know a few have appreciated. FPT I'm not the one that needs to get my head "out of my arse" as you so eloquently put! I'll move on with my dumb name!

Edited by whiter hole, 22 May 2009 - 12:28 PM.

[swaggerer]

whiter hole, on May 22 2009, 12:24 PM, said:

Now, now everyone let's play the ball and play nice.

When I first logged on as Lame, Tim arguably did the right thing by the rules and banned me for an hour or so from using the Lame account. I didn't have a problem with that but the subsequent banning I found very hard to understand when I went to great lengths to explain to Tim and others that I wanted to use the "lame" name rather than whiter hole (I even PM'd Tim). I only wanted to change my alias to change the 'whiter hole' name to something I liked more. It also just happened to be topical at the time with the Lame thread. I still think 'Whiter hole' is a stupid name (how I got that name is a whole other story) and I would rather be Lame but I can't physically make the name change and in any case the Lame account is banned. To then ban 'Lamer' was even more hard to understand for the reasons above but unfortunately in our world there are those that have power that feel the needs to exercise it. Shit happens - I can't convinve them (I've tried) so I hace to accept it. I like swagger have never created an account to use for trouble - only for fun which I know a few have appreciated. FPT I'm not the one that needs to get my head "out of my arse" as you so eloquently put! I'll move on with my dumb name!

WH.  They say the measure of a good man is how they behave in an argument.  I think you have done well.   Your protagonists have let the CoolRunning community down again.  I can't see why Lame was rejected.  It is censorship of a relatively inoffensive name.

Cheers,
Swagger.

Edited by swaggerer, 22 May 2009 - 12:40 PM.

[swaggerer]

rohan, on May 22 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

you then put down kev, pregnant women, colsy and fpt.


pot, meet kettle.

No I didn't.  Especially the pregnant women - that is an lie.  Pregnant woman on speed rationalising her use is so far removed from pregnant woman doing all she can to nurture her unborn that I'd say your being dishonest Rohan.

Take a look. I am talking about WH not myself.  Moreover, I am responding and pointing out errant behaviours that are not usually seen as constructive.  Behaviours such as just slagging.  Telling people to get their "head out your arse" and Colsy's carry on is not comparable.  Apple meet orange.  

Blind hypocrisy meet Rohan.

Swagger.

Edited by swaggerer, 22 May 2009 - 01:05 PM.

[Colsy]

You are amazing swaggerer.  I did no baiting of you whatsoever, it was you who mentioned me first with the Ipod comments...whatever that means.

You are so predictable man.

But I like you.

[Lame]

Colsy, on May 21 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

You are amazing swaggerer.  I did no baiting of you whatsoever, it was you who mentioned me first with the Ipod comments...whatever that means.

You are so predictable man.

But I like you.

Guys - get a room please :-)

[Jogger]

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I wanted to use the "lame" name rather than whiter hole (I even PM'd Tim). I only wanted to change my alias to change the 'whiter hole' name to something I liked more. It also just happened to be topical at the time with the Lame thread. I still think 'Whiter hole' is a stupid name (how I got that name is a whole other story) and I would rather be Lame but I can't physically make the name change and in any case the Lame account is banned.

On every one of my signatures it says "contact coolrunning". Tim is not the contact. if you make the small effort to contact coolrunning we can do anything. We can even change "whiter hole" to "lame" even now!

Edited by JoggerKev, 22 May 2009 - 02:55 PM.

[tim]

whiter hole, on May 22 2009, 12:24 PM, said:

I found very hard to understand when I went to great lengths to explain to Tim and others that I wanted to use the "lame" name rather than whiter hole (I even PM'd Tim).

I am sorry I do not remember any such PM.