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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:22 PM

The new Garmin Forerunner 110 product will be out in a few weeks time.

Some points of interest
- Built in GPS
- $299 retail price point
- Fashionable (well a lot more than Garmin has ever managed before)
- 2 colours in Australia. Mens Grey with Red stripe, Womens light Grey with Pink stripe.
- Cable cradle for downloads
- No virtual partner or courses.
- Limited screen customisation
- Only Ant compatible item is the HRM, ie, no bike sensors can be added.
- Water resistant to IPX7 standard, (good for sweat and rain)

Being launched at Aust. Fitness Expo April 30 - May 02 in Sydney.

Available in store about the same time.

You can view it here:

Garmin Forerunner 110 Mens Black

Garmin Forerunner 110 Womens Pink

Opinion:
Should be good for those that want to keep it simple but still get the ease of a built in GPS.
Dummed down version of 405cx and a saving of about $200.
It should also appeal to those that have been asking for something from Garmin that is a bit more fashionable.
It certainly is not for everyone and will not replace 405/cx or 310xt, but we expect this to be a very popular model.  
Another nail in Polars coffin, particularly aimed at RS300x. If you are listening Polar, you really need to launch something to catch up. Garmin are killing you at the moment!

Edited by RobGrinter, 13 April 2010 - 12:23 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:35 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 01:22 PM, said:

The new Garmin Forerunner 110 product will be out in a few weeks time.

Will it be another of Garmins poorly made pieces of taiwanese junk. Every thread I've read on Coolrunning regarding Garmin forerunners are full of problems/glitches/warranty claims and requests for advice on how to jump hurdles presented by poor Garmin quality.

That said, I still love the things...just wish they'd last more than 12 months! The whole top half of my current 305 (16 months old) fell off unexpectedly during a run the other day and landed in sand....not recommended for high tech electronics I suspect!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:35 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 01:22 PM, said:

The new Garmin Forerunner 110 product will be out in a few weeks time.

Thanks! Don't know if we were thinking the same thing at the same time, but just posted a topic on when it will be available... It's exactly what I'm looking for so can't wait!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:37 PM

View PostDesna, on Apr 13 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

...It's exactly what I'm looking for so can't wait!
Desna...seriously, I'd wait at least six months and get some feedback first regarding the 110.....or be prepared for dealing with Garmin customer service!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:45 PM

Had mine 2 1/2 years no problem - hardly call that junk. No problem since taping up the speaker hole.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:46 PM

8hrs battery power - not enough.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:05 PM

View Posttomh, on Apr 13 2010, 01:45 PM, said:

Had mine 2 1/2 years no problem - hardly call that junk. No problem since taping up the speaker hole.
2 things tomh,
1) "Since taping up the speaker hole" - excuse me, a piece of sticky tape to fix their design fault? What about all those poor users who dont hang around these parts hearing about quick fixes to waterproof issues? They are designed to be waterproof to 1 metre, yet can't withstand rain or sweat....
2) No offence intended tom, but I notice your joining date....if you scroll back over the years and numerous posts on the different Garmins, you'll read pages pf problems and requests for "fixes". They're great  little devices...but the build quality., I believe, is junk.

And as I've said before...I still love the things and if my current 305 (16 months old and my 4th Garmin in 5 years) is dead as expected...I'll probably waste my hard earned and buy another....piece of #@%!

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PS - Yes, congrats on the 2 1/2 years...but i truely believe you'll be getting close then. Sorry!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:18 PM

I have the 405 and think that if it ever gives up the ghost then, perhaps the new 110 may be for me.

I am happy to embrace new technology, but I am only really interested in it doing the basics, how far, how fast, HR every so often. The rest to me is pretty much wasted(unless it is made really easy to use).

Rob I look forward to your reviews and feedback that you get when it comes out.

Rob as a retailer, I understand that you must get a number of complaints from owners such as the Prof, but in reality what sort of percentage of users do you believe have trouble with their units? I have had mine since Christmas and have had no issues at all, and must admit that it has given my running a new lease of life. I am sure I could manage without it, but I would be upset if I had to go without it.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:48 PM

View PostHillsAths1, on Apr 13 2010, 02:18 PM, said:

I have the 405 and think that if it ever gives up the ghost then, perhaps the new 110 may be for me.

I am happy to embrace new technology, but I am only really interested in it doing the basics, how far, how fast, HR every so often. The rest to me is pretty much wasted(unless it is made really easy to use).

Rob I look forward to your reviews and feedback that you get when it comes out.

Rob as a retailer, I understand that you must get a number of complaints from owners such as the Prof, but in reality what sort of percentage of users do you believe have trouble with their units? I have had mine since Christmas and have had no issues at all, and must admit that it has given my running a new lease of life. I am sure I could manage without it, but I would be upset if I had to go without it.

View PostSpud, on Apr 13 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

8hrs battery power - not enough.

8 hours wont be enough for some. But for $299 its a great option. If not, pay $400 for the 310xt with 20 hours.



The % of users that have issues is well less than 1%, and particulary note that most issues are in the first 2 weeks. The issues posted here are very often counteracted by satisfied buyers. I like to think of it as book ends. There is 98% in the middle that have never even heard of a Forum. There truly is a LOT of Garmin HRMS out there.

The biggest misconception is that some consumers want 10 years life, and at the same time pay a Tiawanese price.

Tiawanese Junk! maybe, but if you like, Garmin could manfacture in say Germany and sell it for $1299.

It's a disposable world, dont expect 20 years from it, just like a Bic shaver, they are a consumable?

GPS device on your wrist with heart rate for $299. Thats ground breaking and should be celebrated. Who else in the market place can do this right now ?

Go back 10 years ago when Polar still manufactured in Finland and they lasted forever. If they were still made there now, the same product would be out of many peoples reach. In fact the whole product line would have stagnated and we would be stuck with limited features at at top $ price.

I would say the new 110 is a 2 to 3 year product. If you expect more, then buy a Suunto T6d, or change your way of thinking!

Lastely, I dont think Garmin's customer service is that bad, I deal with them daily and get what we want everytime. EDIT: And feedback from customers I send there is positive too. I know this because I always say, if they dont help you, contact me again and we will facilitate a favourable outcome.

Perhaps the self promotion message is, buy from a delear that will represent any problems for you if you dont get satisfaction from them first. If they are good enough and care enough, you will be satisfied.

Edited by RobGrinter, 13 April 2010 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:07 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

The % of users that have issues is well less than 1%, and particulary note that most issues are in the first 2 weeks. The issues posted here are very often counteracted by satisfied buyers. I like to think of it as book ends. There is 98% in the middle that have never even heard of a Forum. There truly is a LOT of Garmin HRMS out there.
I absolutely can't argue with your figure, you're in the game. I do confess though to finding it hard to believe...I just know too many users who have had problems...if they are only 1% of buyers, Garmin must be selling tens of thousnads of the things...

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

The biggest misconception is that some consumers want 10 years life, and at the same time pay a Tiawanese price.
10 years....no, not at the current price. 3 - 5 years, absolutely!

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

Tiawanese Junk! maybe, but if you like, Garmin could manfacture in say Germany and sell it for $1299.
I've spent close to that over 5 years...but had all the other headaches that go along with garmin...

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

GPS device on your wrist with heart rate for $299. Thats ground breaking and should be celebrated. Who else in the market place can do this right now ?
Would a new car for say $9000 be celebrated if it was always off the road getting repaired - it would be called a lemon and buyers told to avoid it!

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

I would say the new 110 is a 2 to 3 year product....
Sorry Rob that worries me....but maybe thats just me. I'd be cranky if my $299 sound system or dryer died that quickly.

Finally, I agree with the customer service comment. They must get plenty of practice!

Thanks for putting up another side to the debate...

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:08 PM

Sorry to hear you have problems Prof, but you are talking in absolutes, giving the impression that EVERYONE is having problems.  I've had a ForeRunner 50 for over 2 years, and now have a 310.  Foot pod, HR straps, cadence/speed sensors, and never had a problem with any of them.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:15 PM

View Postaxe69, on Apr 13 2010, 03:08 PM, said:

Sorry to hear you have problems Prof, but you are talking in absolutes, giving the impression that EVERYONE is having problems.  I've had a ForeRunner 50 for over 2 years, and now have a 310.  Foot pod, HR straps, cadence/speed sensors, and never had a problem with any of them.
Sorry, I disagree...I've never said everyone has problems, if fact...

In my thread "Are They Junk", I ask the question is there a vocal minority of faulty unit owners, and are the majority happy? I'm glad to hear you've been in luck, but I genuinely could list a user who has had quality issues for every user you could list who has made statements like yours, and had trouble free runs.

Just asking, you've had two years use....(and touch wood, I hope yours lasts) - how long do you expect yours to last and will you still be happy if your unit dies next week? Will you still be defending Garmins quality that you got 2 1/2 years out of?

And I'll say it again, I love the things but doubt their build quality...and 4 units in 5 years....can you see where my arguement is based?

Prof :D

Edited by Professor, 13 April 2010 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:16 PM

View PostProfessor, on Apr 13 2010, 02:05 PM, said:

And as I've said before...I still love the things and if my current 305 (16 months old and my 4th Garmin in 5 years) is dead as expected...I'll probably waste my hard earned and buy another....piece of #@%!

Which retailer are you buying them from ?
Why are they not helping you?
Why have you bought 4 in 5 years.

Lastly.
What can I do to help you ?
because, we are willing to find out what is going so wrong and assist in an effort to get it right for you. Its not normal to go thru 4 in 5 years, and I think thats what other posters are saying too!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:32 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 13 2010, 03:16 PM, said:

Which retailer are you buying them from ?
Why are they not helping you?
Why have you bought 4 in 5 years.

Lastly.
What can I do to help you ?
because, we are willing to find out what is going so wrong and assist in an effort to get it right for you. Its not normal to go thru 4 in 5 years, and I think thats what other posters are saying too!

I bought two from Als gift Shoppe, now Prosport Watches, in the US, on line. My 205 was replaced under warranty...my second 205 died and I returned it to Al outside warranty...he offered my a reduced rate deal to upgrade to the new 305 which I did.My third unit. The first 305 was fine, after a run in the rain (Black Stump, 2008 I think) and you could see the water splashing around inside. That left a watermark, making half the face unreadable. Garmin replaced that unit. Now my forth unit, my second 305 has literally fallen in half after 15 months, the first 6 of which I hardly used due to injury.  I have treated all of the units carefully and looked after them.

I can't fault the retailers....Al was excellent and Garmins customer service equally so.

Yep, you caught me out on my maths....I've purchased two. The other two were new, replacements under warranty. Sorry...but my discussion has never been about my individual costs...it's about Garmins build quality. I reinterate the point about the $9000 car above...

Thanks Rob, genuinely. I appreciate your offer of help. I may be back in touch, after the school holidays I'll make the trek back out to Garmin and show them the 15 month old 305 that fell in half and see what they say.

In regards to what other posters are saying - please read any of the other Garmin threads....many, many posters are having troubles.

Prof

Edited by Professor, 13 April 2010 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2010 - 03:19 PM

Thanks for that, Rob.

Looks like something I'll be interested in when my 405 gives up the ghost. I like my 405, but I don't use virtual pacer and stuff like that... just accurate time, distance and pace is all I need.

At those prices, I really don't understand why anyone would buy a Polar to be honest.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 03:25 PM

Yeah, I'm going to step in here and agree with Prof. Very few people that I have spoken with have had a long life with their garmins. I've gone through a couple. In fact the 305 I've currently got, after the speaker stopped working which is a well known design issue, the top fell off just like Prof's. I was running through Darling Harbour and out it popped. Fortunately I was able to glue it back together and it still works but it was a surprising thing to happen.

I'm absolutely shocked that it would be only 1% of customers with complaints. The others probably just quietly throw them away.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 04:31 PM

I have had mine for close to 4 years now with no problem except when the memory was full. I have had big patches of injury but Vurt has used it also so it is doing really well. I would be happy with its life if it were to die now.

Actually I think that one of the things that has helped it survive so well is using a wrist band underneath. I understand that a lot of people have had problems with corrosion of the contact points on the back. I don't sweat that much (all relative) but think that keeping the unit pretty dry (from sweat if not rain) has helped.

I am hoping it will die so I can buy one of those nice pink ones :D

Actually it would be interesting to do a mileage vs time analysis on when garmins hit end of life. Is there a magic number of kilometres/use where they kick the bucket or is it a time issue.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 04:43 PM

I am with the Prof and FPT - and Rob.  I love the 310, and have not had an issue with it (other than the software glitch we picked up but which has been fixed by a firmware upgrade).  The issues I have had are with the 305 - been through a couple of them.  Corrosion and tops falling off.  Some judicious glue and sealant got them going again, but it is a simple design flaw.  Only the last of my 4 305's was genuinely IPX7 compliant.  So, somewhere on that taiwanese production line the addition of a little extra glue would solve the issue.

The 310xt has been great, and I would consider a 110 as an everyday watch, but the fact that it is only IPX7, and my experience with the 305's interpretation of IPX7 will see me wait 6 months to see how it goes in the field.  

Again, I love my garmins. Absolutely brilliant technology developed in a relatively short time - that much GPS processing power on your wrist was purely science fiction 10 or 15 years ago.  I recommend them and probably have "sold" a hundred or more of them.  But with familiarity comes recognition of their faults.  We all want (unfairly) the best for no cost, the Ferrari for the Hyundai cost, and I agree that there has to be a balance somewhere - and by making issues known perhaps that balance moves a little to the plus side with each model.  The 310xt was a big step forward.

Rob, I appreciate your defence of the garmins, and Prof, I support your experiences.  Despite issues I will continue to promote them - especially the 310xt - because in the greater scheme of things the issues are far outweighed by the value we get out of them. Or else Garmin would not be stomping all over Polar!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 04:45 PM

View PostEllie80, on Apr 13 2010, 04:31 PM, said:

Actually it would be interesting to do a mileage vs time analysis on when garmins hit end of life. Is there a magic number of kilometres/use where they kick the bucket or is it a time issue.
Just like that theory where you only have a certain number of heart beats before it stops....  :D

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 06:34 PM

View PostAction, on Apr 13 2010, 04:45 PM, said:

Just like that theory where you only have a certain number of heart beats before it stops....  :D

Exactly!!!!

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 10:28 PM

View PostEllie80, on Apr 13 2010, 05:31 PM, said:

I have had mine for close to 4 years now with no problem except when the memory was full. ........

........   I am hoping it will die so I can buy one of those nice pink ones :D


And it is the exact statement above as to why I believe it will be a good seller for Garmin.

Many people who have been asking for a HRM with GPS built in from Garmin with a bit more fashion to it, just got their wish !

Its a perfect fit for the casual to medium use buyer.

The hard cores user will still want a 310xt, 405cx or Timex Global Trainer.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:04 AM

Thanks for letting us know, Rob.

Can I ask a question of a different type - will this new model have any feature that allows it to be worn like a normal watch? Eg, could one of the manufacurers out there build something with twin batteries (a big rechargeable one for running the GPS/HRM, and a normal watch battery), so that these things can actually function like a watch?

At a recent race, I walked passed a group of people and one of them asked another for the time. They all turned to their Garmins and, in dismay, said something like "these things are great, but how do you actually get them to tell the time!". True story!

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:33 AM

I actually don't understand why people are so concerned about wearing them as a day to day watch?  It was never designed to be that in the first place and quite frankly who would want a 305 or 310 on their wrist all day.  The 405 can do it and it would look respectable enough.  And if someone asks me the time while I'm wearing mine I press a button 3 times and tell them - I haveone segment of one of the multiple screens set to show the times of day.

Most runners don't wear their training or racing shoes to work; they're a piece of specific sporting kit.  So are the garmins.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:01 AM

View PostGoughy, on Apr 14 2010, 07:33 AM, said:

I actually don't understand why people are so concerned about wearing them as a day to day watch?  It was never designed to be that in the first place and quite frankly who would want a 305 or 310 on their wrist all day.  The 405 can do it and it would look respectable enough.  And if someone asks me the time while I'm wearing mine I press a button 3 times and tell them - I haveone segment of one of the multiple screens set to show the times of day.

Most runners don't wear their training or racing shoes to work; they're a piece of specific sporting kit.  So are the garmins.
agreed.  My 310 comes out for runs, and I have a segment on the 310 on time of day - which I use to synchronise other watches as well.   Can't get any more accurate that the GPS time.  However, a day-to-day watch that can GPS on the odd occasion would be handy - hence the interest in the 110.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:18 AM

Being a newbie trying to improve my running. I am interested in the watch because I'd really like something that tells me roughly how far and how long I've run.  Especially since the other day I thought I had run 5K for the first time, only to discover later in the day on mapmyrun that I had run only 4.9K  :D

Eventually might be interested in pace (but doesn't concern me too much) as right now I'm just focusing on running as far as possible at the moment.

I know nothing about GPS watches... Having said that should I wait for the 110 or get the 405 which I saw online for $325, which is quite close to the RRP of the 110?  

Having owned an ipod, I am used to things breaking down after 2 years, and a Holden Astra that is now having costly problems after 3 years (warranty has run out so what a surprise!)...

So a watch that can last longer than the an ipod and an Astra I'd be happy with!

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 01:25 PM

Interesting to hear many compare Garmin HRMs to Motor cars.

Major difference is that we service our cars on a regular basis and by a somewhat time based or km based schedule.

We expect our Garmin heart rate monitors to last, but perform no real routine maintenance. ie, does anyone get their 50m rated water resistant unit pressure tested say every 12 months.

If we performed zero maintenance on our Astra (or even our Merecedes Benzs), how long would they last and more importantly, would we expect the same amount of life span ? If I am wrong, run your car, perform no maintenance whatsoever for 3 years, then give me a call. I would love to hear how you have fared.

If we accidentally dropped, kicked, washed, splashed, dived, ran in heat and snow and then 12 months later, expected our 50metre watch to still be water proof, I pose the question, Is this an unfair expectation?

Or should we get the units pressure tested and maybe serviced with a new case or similar every now and then ?  I would welcome any suggestions and think it is a fair discussion.

It is for this reason that I would suggest that a Garmin Forerunner 110, for a Medium user, would expect to have a life cycle of about 3 years.  For any issues, 12 month warranty fixes those issues in fair time.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 01:40 PM

I had 3 Timex watches and 2 Nike's over about 10 years. My Garmin 405 is almost 2 years of age and has out lasted the 2 Nike's and one of the Timex's (all button, band, display issues). I wear my 405 as a day to day watch, and am currently averaging 100km per week running. It also has seen lots of exposure to the elements on the trail, like all my other previous watches. I'd be happy with a solid 2 years with what I put it through, anything else will be a bonus.


Ed: Biscuitman just reminded me I had a Casio sportswatch too in the 90's, that I found on a beach, and it lasted me about 5 years until the battery eventually went flat.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 02:26 PM

I've never had a GPS so would be quite interested in the 110.  My HRM is the Polar F1 which is the most basic - ie realtime HR and then average HR and time at end of workout with no memory.

Have to say that I am a bit of a Luddite but it has served me well, I'm still wearing my 30 lap Casio sportwatch from 1993 for just about every run.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 06:00 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 14 2010, 01:25 PM, said:

Interesting to hear many compare Garmin HRMs to Motor cars.

Major difference is that we service our cars on a regular basis and by a somewhat time based or km based schedule.

We expect our Garmin heart rate monitors to last, but perform no real routine maintenance. ie, does anyone get their 50m rated water resistant unit pressure tested say every 12 months.

If we performed zero maintenance on our Astra (or even our Merecedes Benzs), how long would they last and more importantly, would we expect the same amount of life span ? If I am wrong, run your car, perform no maintenance whatsoever for 3 years, then give me a call. I would love to hear how you have fared.

If we accidentally dropped, kicked, washed, splashed, dived, ran in heat and snow and then 12 months later, expected our 50metre watch to still be water proof, I pose the question, Is this an unfair expectation?

Or should we get the units pressure tested and maybe serviced with a new case or similar every now and then ?  I would welcome any suggestions and think it is a fair discussion.

It is for this reason that I would suggest that a Garmin Forerunner 110, for a Medium user, would expect to have a life cycle of about 3 years.  For any issues, 12 month warranty fixes those issues in fair time.

Rob, given the benchmark set by Polar, Timex etc I don't think watches (GPS or otherwise) should need any other 'maintenance' than, as you suggest, a pressure test at battery replacement time. I don't want to labour the point brought up by Professor & others but......

It would seem that Garmins main problem lies in not being waterproof. How hard is it to make a watch waterproof?? Not very I would think. I have a Timex Ironman watch that I wear all the time & being a surfer it's copped plenty in the water dept plus it's been dropped, kicked, belted etc & hasn't missed a beat in 4 years, only had battery & pressure test done once......ohh it cost me all of US$43-. I also own a Garmin Forerunner 201 (stop sniggering) ;-) The initial one lasted about 10 months & then died, Garmin replaced it promptly & that is still the one I have today about 4 years later, it's still going strong but I'm buggered if I am going to upgrade given the grief I have heard from owners of later models.

Totally understand that you sell them & don't make them but they do need to lift their game if only in the waterproof dept. perhaps they have already done this with the 310xt(?). I look foward to seeing how this new Garmin 110 performs, I might even be tempted!!

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:12 PM

View PostGasher, on Apr 14 2010, 07:00 PM, said:

Rob, given the benchmark set by Polar, Timex etc I don't think watches (GPS or otherwise) should need any other 'maintenance' than, as you suggest, a pressure test at battery replacement time. I don't want to labour the point brought up by Professor & others but......

I somewhat dont agree, Polar is no better.

View PostGasher, on Apr 14 2010, 07:00 PM, said:

Totally understand that you sell them & don't make them but they do need to lift their game if only in the waterproof dept. perhaps they have already done this with the 310xt(?). I look foward to seeing how this new Garmin 110 performs, I might even be tempted!!

We sell Timex and other brands too, so I am not biased here with my comments. All Timex watches are rated at 100m or better and they will have you believe that this is the minimum for swimming in salt water and surf waves. This may be true, I cannot confirm this statement by Timex, however, Garmin only sell 2 watches that are water resistant to 50 metre rating, the 310xt and FR60, every other unit in their range is rated to IPX7, equivalent to about 1metre.

So no other watch in their range was built or designed to be water proof. Which is why I would suggest that consumers expectations of Garmin being waterproof and possibly even that too of Polar & Suunto products too is not realistic.

Watch manufacturers worldwide dropped the words "Waterproof" 25 years ago.

Note the new Forerunner 110 is also rated to IPX7 standards.

I argue, know the boundries of the watch. Just like you wouldnt take your Holden Commodore on a 4 wheel drive holiday in the outback. If you want to go into the ocean with your brand new Forerunner 110, then dont! You need a 310xt (at the least).

Regardless, this new model will be a winner, it has it's limitations but fills a void in the market. As I said before it isnt for everyone, but its exact same reason why car companies offer a small car, mid size car, a sedan and a 4wd etc.

Interestingly, I just got the manual out of another brand of watch that I have (looking for some wording about resistance) and noted that it has a maintenance service section in the back that is just like a cars service book. Room to stamp 12 services in the book.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:49 PM

View PostGasher, on Apr 14 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

Totally understand that you sell them & don't make them but they do need to lift their game if only in the waterproof dept. perhaps they have already done this with the 310xt(?). I look foward to seeing how this new Garmin 110 performs, I might even be tempted!!
My 310xt hasn't missed a beat since new (July '09), and it has taken a beating - including serious waterproof (surf and whitewater) testing.  All good.  Now, if the 110 is as waterproof then I will get one as soon as they are available, otherwise my Timex gets the workout when GPS isn't needed.  I would much prefer the 110...

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:53 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 14 2010, 07:12 PM, said:

Interestingly, I just got the manual out of another brand of watch that I have (looking for some wording about resistance) and noted that it has a maintenance service section in the back that is just like a cars service book. Room to stamp 12 services in the book.
So, what is the recommended service interval for the Garmin, what does it involve, and how much does it cost?  Do we organise it through you?  I would happily pay for some preventative maintenance if it extended the life of the beastie!

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:05 PM

I've had my 305 for coming on four years now and no glitches until the last month or two - it's still working but showing its age. Now to make up my mind on the 110 vs 310xt. At the moment I'm coming down on the side of the the 310 - currently available in Aust for around $349 vs $299 (when it comes out) for the 110 - the $50 pays for a whole lot of extra features and I'm a runner, not a slave to fashion.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:37 PM

View PostAction, on Apr 14 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

So, what is the recommended service interval for the Garmin, what does it involve, and how much does it cost?  Do we organise it through you?  I would happily pay for some preventative maintenance if it extended the life of the beastie!

Good questions, I will take those questions on notice and get back to you tomorrow.

Thats not to say that you cannot create your own schedule.

If you are after the water resistance rating to be kept, then get it pressure tested at a qualified Jeweller. We personally use a guy in High St, Ashburton, who charges $30 to pressure test any watch, change the battery (lithium types, not rechargable ones) and provide a pressure test report. I am convinced, it is bound to provide longer life. If you find it doesnt pass the test as expected, then escalate it to doing the necessary repair/maintenance.

For those that doubt, how can this course of action be detrimental and how could you possible know that some years into ownership you have a waterproof unit that is up to the specification when you first purchased it.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:41 PM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 14 2010, 07:12 PM, said:

Interestingly, I just got the manual out of another brand of watch that I have (looking for some wording about resistance) and noted that it has a maintenance service section in the back that is just like a cars service book. Room to stamp 12 services in the book.

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Wow, that is some watch you are showing off. Well out of my price league!!!!!
http://www.myshoppin...mer_19034_Watch

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:27 AM

View Postchilliman, on Apr 14 2010, 01:40 PM, said:

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I wear my 405 as a day to day watch, and am currently averaging 100km per week running.
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Noob question, but does that mean you plug it in and recharge it each night?

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 08:57 AM

The 405 series are rated to about 9hrs of usage when used with running/riding etc, but I think they can last up to 9 days in watch mode.  So I'd say with average running usage maybe a charge every 2 or 3 days to keep it going.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 09:35 AM

View Postthomo, on Apr 14 2010, 11:41 PM, said:

Wow, that is some watch you are showing off. Well out of my price league!!!!!
http://www.myshoppin...mer_19034_Watch
Breitlings are a very nice bit of kit....

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 09:53 AM

View Posthenryjoseph, on Apr 15 2010, 12:27 AM, said:

Noob question, but does that mean you plug it in and recharge it each night?

Not every night, maybe 1 or 2 times a week, not a drama though. I just have the little charging clip near the bed. The 405 has 8hrs of life when acquiring GPS data, and maybe 2 weeks of life when used as a watch only. The 110 would be similar I'd imagine.

I only get 7hrs on GPS now as the watch is nearing its 2nd birthday, but even that gives me at least 5 x 1hr runs during the week without recharging. The watch will beep when remaining level hits 20%. At the end of each run the watch goes back into normal "time" standby mode.  I always recharge before sunday's long run as I have no idea how long I'll be out there.


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Interestingly, I just got the manual out of another brand of watch that I have (looking for some wording about resistance) and noted that it has a maintenance service section in the back that is just like a cars service book. Room to stamp 12 services in the book.
Anything with a mechanical component requires regular servicing, if you want it to last that is.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:00 AM

View PostAction, on Apr 15 2010, 10:35 AM, said:

Breitlings are a very nice bit of kit....

10th year Anniversary gift.  Fair deal I rekon !

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:25 AM

View Postchilliman, on Apr 15 2010, 10:53 AM, said:

Anything with a mechanical component requires regular servicing, if you want it to last that is.


Yes, this is correct, however, you could also say, anything with a water resistance rating needs regular service too to ensure it has retained its water resistance rating.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 11:13 AM

View PostRobGrinter, on Apr 15 2010, 10:25 AM, said:

Yes, this is correct, however, you could also say, anything with a water resistance rating needs regular service too to ensure it has retained its water resistance rating.

Hi Rob,

I am eagerly awaiting the release of this product... I just googled it and found this notice

"Garmin Australia have chosen not to make this model available through our specialist Garmin stores in Australia.

As of 23 April 2010, we have no plans from Garmin Australia as to when (or if) this product will be available for sale.

Please take a look at the Garmin Forerunner 405, for a comparable model that is sold and supported locally in Australia."

I'm not sure if this was just specific to this website or to Australia in general.

Are you planning on stocking this at your store?

Thanks!

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 01:21 PM

WTF?

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Do not be fooled by some cheaper advertised Garmin products that are imported from UK or America, they are not Pacific region assigned models with GPS information specific for the Australia/Pacific region.
does this mean that I can't use this model outside of the Australia/Pacific region?  Why does it matter *where* I buy a Garmin from - I expect to be able to use it all over the world.  You know... the "G" in "GPS".

And, FWIW, my 301 is nearing its 5th birthday (next month). I'm open to suggestions, but I'm looking at the 205 from our favourite un-Australian website at under $200. Is the GPS technology in the 110 any different to the 205?

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 02:00 PM

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Do not be fooled by some cheaper advertised Garmin products that are imported from UK or America, they are not Pacific region assigned models with GPS information specific for the Australia/Pacific region.

does this mean that I can't use this model outside of the Australia/Pacific region?  Why does it matter *where* I buy a Garmin from - I expect to be able to use it all over the world.  You know... the "G" in "GPS".

Where did you get that quote from Louise ? The only difference will probably be in the prongs on the power adaptor, (which you don't need to use anyway).

Louise said:

Is the GPS technology in the 110 any different to the 205?
The 110 will be faster in acquiring satellites than the 205 due to a dedicated on board chip that predicts their movements for up to 5 days ahead (Garmin Hotfix). Satellite reception is still similar though. I'll try and find the link.

Edited by chilliman, 23 April 2010 - 02:24 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2010 - 02:12 PM

View Postchilliman, on Apr 23 2010, 03:00 PM, said:

does this mean that I can't use this model outside of the Australia/Pacific region?  Why does it matter *where* I buy a Garmin from - I expect to be able to use it all over the world.  You know... the "G" in "GPS".
Where did you get that quote from Louise ? The only difference will probably be in the prongs on the power adaptor.
the website quoted in the first post:  Garmin Forerunner 110 Womens Pink

I know they're probably just scaremongering, but seriously, statements like that just make me more inclined to ignore everything else they have to say as well.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 02:22 PM

View PostLouise, on Apr 23 2010, 02:12 PM, said:

I know they're probably just scaremongering, but seriously, statements like that just make me more inclined to ignore everything else they have to say as well.
I tend to agree.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 02:48 PM

View PostDesna, on Apr 23 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

Hi Rob,

I am eagerly awaiting the release of this product... I just googled it and found this notice

"Garmin Australia have chosen not to make this model available through our specialist Garmin stores in Australia.

As of 23 April 2010, we have no plans from Garmin Australia as to when (or if) this product will be available for sale.

Please take a look at the Garmin Forerunner 405, for a comparable model that is sold and supported locally in Australia."

I'm not sure if this was just specific to this website or to Australia in general.

Are you planning on stocking this at your store?

Thanks!

This quote is from Johnny Appleseeds website. The date changes automatically to the current date. So if you look today, it will say, "as of 23 April...."

Johnny Appleseed are not a Garmin Fitness Dealer and cannot obtain the 310xt, 405cx, FR60, Edge 500 or Forerunner 110. Only designated Fitness Dealers can?

Johnny Appleseed not happy about it and incorrectly write that these models are not supported in Aust.

### Its a load of BS. ###

If you think this is incorrect, call Garmin on 1800-235-822 and ask them.

We have on order the new Forerunner 110 and expect it in store in about a week.

For those in Sydney, you can see it at the Garmin stand at the Aust. Fitness & Health Expo 30th April and 1st May

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 02:57 PM

Why would you buy from Johnny Appleseed anyway... his price for the 110 is $349. Hardly a bargain.  (here if you don't want to Google)

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 03:05 PM

View PostLouise, on Apr 23 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

Why would you buy from Johnny Appleseed anyway... his price for the 110 is $349. Hardly a bargain.  (here if you don't want to Google)

Johnny Appleseed can sell it to you for $1 or $1000 if they want. It hardly matters Louise, they cannot get them. Garmin Aust. will not sell the 110 to JAS

Just like HTA cannot get Garmin Car GPS devices or Garmin Aviation or Suunto Dive watches or Timex Grandfather clocks.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 03:13 PM

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We have on order the new Forerunner 110 and expect it in store in about a week.

Thanks Rob.  I was highly suspicous when I saw it this morning, so just needed someone to clarify.

Shame, I'm in Melbourne this weekend, I guess one week too early, otherwise would have popped in the store, and persuaded my bf to buy me one!  :(

I'll keep an eye out for the expo...