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[CoolRunning Admin]

From time to time we get some grief by (generally) new posters. One such person today is Jacksoner who is posting stuff on peoples profiles and is being rude and disrespectful - in general he's being a real nuisance and posting nothing of value.

Previously we would ban a person (generally after a warning was emailed).

It turns out that our forum software has a warning system - that we haven't been using but are from now on - so we can flick a switch and then all your posts need to get get approved before being visible, or we can easily suspend you for X days or hours or even ban you. In general you will be sent an email or a pm (for bad behaviour - spammers are just plain banned). Or we can just send you a warning note.

The moderators & admins can see people's warnings status and previous warnings etc and you can see your own (as a %). no warnings is 0%. I have done a test and aa member can't see another member's warning status.

Am keen for any feedback you might have.

(moderators - not sure how we approve a post, but I am sure all will become clear).

[sunny1]

Sounds like an effective way to take the heartache out of your job. It should be easier for you than it has been in the last few months.

[Horrie]

Sounds good. Should keep those pests away. Poor boy must have got bored in the school holidays.

[ChookLegsMonkeyBoy]

Thank goodness I read this before posting this morning; luckily my warning status is 0%

[Phoenix]

Sounds like a fine idea.  Let's hope it works.  Like to help people, but serial pests can go do their pesting elswhere.

[ShanksPony]

Bring it on.

Jacksoners harrassment was totally unacceptable.

[Steve 'The Footman']

CoolRunning Admin, on Jul 27 2008, 11:20 PM, said:

It turns out that our forum software has a warning system - that we haven't been using but are from now on - so we can flick a switch and then all your posts need to get get approved before being visible, or we can easily suspect you for X days or hours or even ban you. In general you will be sent an email or a pm (for bad behaviour - spammers are just plan banned). Or we can just send you a warning note.
The moderators & admins can see people's warnings status and previous warnings etc and you can see your own (as a %). no warnings is 0%. I have done a test and aa member can't see another member's warning status.

This thread has more excellent ideas for violations that should demand a warning.
More banning guidelines
Unfortunately Coolrunning Admin may also need a warning after his first post on this thread.

I think it needs to be more obvious that someone has been warned.  How about a scarlet letter?  Too bad we cant send the Police (or coolrunning goon squad) around to Jacksoners house.  Now that would be a more effective warning!

[undercover brother]

this reminds me of that 80s movie where the US army went to 'defcon 4'.
and can i be in the goon squad?

[SouthAustralian]

CR is a community and sometimes 'disruptive strangers' wander in. In the event of further 'stupidity' I would encourage all CR members to hit the report button...sooner rather than later. When a report button is hit, swift action can be taken.
Ive been impressed with the amount of reports that I have had re. the young gentleman, and that the 'available' moderators have been quick to address the problems.
Cheers
Frank in SA

[Jander]

undercover brother, on Jul 28 2008, 09:07 AM, said:

this reminds me of that 80s movie where the US army went to 'defcon 4'.
and can i be in the goon squad?

I vote you in as the founding member  

[sol]

Can I suggest a thread about the warning system be pinned in the About CoolRunning folder?

I only just noticed my 0% warning, which coincidentally was the day after I posted what could be described as a slightly lewd post. I wanted to know if I was actually being warned about anything. Had the "warn" tag appeared as a result of my post? Was this a sort of pre-warning warning?

Clearly I was just being paranoid, but I think it would be appropriate to keep this information easy to find.

Cheers,
sol

[MissPinkyInSydney]

Yes this is a good idea.

I have just spent the last half hour trying to work out what "Warn" meant on my post.
I kept re-reading my post because I thought I may have said something inappropriate!!
Phew!!!  All is good now!!!

[SouthAustralian]

sol, on Jul 28 2008, 09:26 AM, said:

Can I suggest a thread about the warning system be pinned in the About CoolRunning folder?

I only just noticed my 0% warning, which coincidentally was the day after I posted what could be described as a slightly lewd post. I wanted to know if I was actually being warned about anything. Had the "warn" tag appeared as a result of my post? Was this a sort of pre-warning warning?

Clearly I was just being paranoid, but I think it would be appropriate to keep this information easy to find.

Cheers,
sol

Sol...youre OK mate, you're one of the good guys on this site
Frank

[grinners]

Yes I agree with sol. Some easily accessible info on the warning system would be less confusing.

I was relieved but then slightly disappointed after finding I was not a threat - could I be a little bit more dangerous than 0% please?

Edited by grinners, 28 July 2008 - 10:38 AM.

[sol]

SouthAustralian, on Jul 28 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

Sol...youre OK mate, you're one of the good guys on this site
Frank

Thanks Frank - I can go a little overboard occasionally though with some comments (not that I have here ... yet!)

Cheers,
sol

[Olmy]

Sound good to me, however I hope that you don't feel the need to approve each post before it gets viewable. Part of the fun of this site is the banter and that might be lost if each post gets slowed down to be checked before it can be seen.

[brizza]

undercover brother, on Jul 28 2008, 09:07 AM, said:

this reminds me of that 80s movie where the US army went to 'defcon 4'.
and can i be in the goon squad?

me me me,i want to be in the goon squad,i love the goons

[Bellthorpe]

SouthAustralian, on Jul 28 2008, 09:49 AM, said:

CR is a community and sometimes 'disruptive strangers' wander in. In the event of further 'stupidity' I would encourage all CR members to hit the report button...sooner rather than later.

    
    I wouldn't.
    
    There is always the danger of over-moderation, and that makes for a boring and lifeless forum. Especially with a bunch of new moderators keen to earn their spurs.
    
    I've hit the 'report' button for commercial spamming, but as for idiots like the young bloke of whom we speak, I'd rather send Blue Dog round to give him a smack in the head.

[Colsy]

SouthAustralian, on Jul 28 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

Sol...youre OK mate, you're one of the good guys on this site
Frank

There's that comment again, makes me think that there are bad guys on this site. Or is it a bit like the half full/half empty thingo?

Could we have a bad guys thread? The bad guys could all meet in there and get stuck in to it. We could have a shot at each other for this and that and talk lewd and rude stuff........oh thats right...we already have the Chat room!

[CoolRunning Admin]

olmy - there is no intent to moderate all posts, just for certain trouble makers, and only for a short period of time.

others - the thread is "pinned" now.

in general, less moderation is better, but as south australian says - I'd rather people hit "report!" than smoulder and get upset in silence. if we don't know about it, we can't do anything. note: even if you hit report, we may do nothing, it depends. BUT we will look at it.

[Colsy]

I must admit, I got more fun out of broadcasting the incident than reporting it.

But I do apologise to you Kev if it gave more headaches than the norm.

[rohan]

so for those of us who missed the action what were the highlights of this young guys naughtiness?

[chilliman]

So this is not an indicator that the Pedant group has imposed.  

[RossBris]

So the key issue here is that we should be alert but not alarmed!

[Spectre]

That's good to know. I first noticed it overnight and did get a bit alarmed, it appeared after posting over 1GB of photos and I was quite worried there were alarm bells going off somewhere in the bandwidth minder's office.

It's a good capability of the software to allow admin to provide "guidance" to newcomers and persistently inappropriate regulars.

[frankie]

The day i worry what people write about me, is the day when ive got nothing better to do  

[TRAVY]

Do what every you have to do to get rid of the D*ck Heads.

I am not sure I like the idea of

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so we can flick a switch and then all your posts need to get get approved before being visible

. What if we want to make a n amendment soon after posting a post. ?

[TFive]

Why do I have a visible zero warning rating on the thread about power songs ?

OK, sorry I think I've worked it out - is it only visible to me ?

Edited by TFive, 28 July 2008 - 08:38 PM.

[Vurt]

TFive, on Jul 28 2008, 08:33 PM, said:

Why do I have a visible zero warning rating on the thread about power songs ?

OK, sorry I think I've worked it out - is it only visible to me ?

correct

You can see your own warning percentage but not the percentage of other users.

TRAVY, on Jul 28 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

I am not sure I like the idea of . What if we want to make a n amendment soon after posting a post. ?

You would only have posts "moderated" if you had been warned a few time for inappropriate behaviour. If you haven't been warned then it is bussiness as ususal.

[Colsy]

frankie, on Jul 28 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

The day i worry what people write about me, is the day when ive got nothing better to do  

What if they write it all over your profile page in a slanderous fashion?

[Steve 'The Footman']

Colsy, on Jul 28 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

What if they write it all over your profile page in a slanderous fashion?

I think everyone thinks he was writing about himself Colsy (not that there is anything wrong with that!).  But that is where an administrators powers can be used for good.

I cant help seeing the 0% under my name and think that I am somehow inadequate.  Couldn't we start with 100% and then have it go down to 0%?

Perhaps I will do something especially naughty so that I can get warned and get off 0%.

[CoolRunning Admin]

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I am not sure I like the idea of

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so we can flick a switch and then all your posts need to get get approved before being visible

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The key word is can. It doesn't mean will.

[frankie]

Colsy, on Jul 28 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

What if they write it all over your profile page in a slanderous fashion?

I will delete it as soon as possible  

[SouthAustralian]

Bellthorpe, on Jul 28 2008, 10:39 AM, said:

There is always the danger of over-moderation, and that makes for a boring and lifeless forum. Especially with a bunch of new moderators keen to earn their spurs.

Are there spurs....? I didn't know.
To be honest I don't think any of the new moderators are looking to over moderate to 'earn spurs'. I genuinely think that they are people committed to working to make CR better for everyone. Every member has a part to play. Thats why CR works so well.
Frank

[Dangerous]

[quote name='Vurt' date='Jul 28 2008, 08:41 PM' post='358473']
correct

You can see your own warning percentage but not the percentage of other users.


I think it would be more fun to see others - then we could rank each other based on our % warnings to see who the "naughty kids" are.  

[freespiritfitness]

Bellthorpe
"There is always the danger of over-moderation, and that makes for a boring and lifeless forum. Especially with a bunch of new moderators keen to earn their spurs.

I've hit the 'report' button for commercial spamming, but as for idiots like the young bloke of whom we speak, I'd rather send Blue Dog round to give him a smack in the head."


Maybe we need a smack in the head icon as well?

p.s who the fk is jacksoner anyway?....sounds like Action's evil twin.

[Ron1]

Edited by littleaussie, 08 August 2008 - 02:38 AM.

[Bellthorpe]

Ronnie, why have you systematically been working through all your posts and removing them?
  
  There was much that was of value there. Why do you not want the CR community to have access to your wisdom?

[undercover brother]

i was thinking about a 'best of' littleaussie/ronnierennen/goodrat thread.
if he's deleting them we better get cracking BT!

[Ron1]

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Edited by littleaussie, 08 August 2008 - 12:37 PM.

[Ron1]

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Edited by littleaussie, 08 August 2008 - 01:15 PM.

[Colin]

Seen on another forum as posted by the head honcho (I think...I am not registered there, just came upon it).

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From now on the action will be simple: ANY personal attack will result in either a forum ban or total ban. Even a simple suggestion that someone is trolling will result in an immediate forum ban. Any argument regarding trolling, even in this thread, will result in an immediate forum ban.

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We are receiving numerous bad post reports and complaints again. If the fighting in this forum does not stop more permanent bans are on the way – not only to the people who complaints are lodged against but also those who make accusations or cause any form of disruption.

Ban the whole lot... the so called troublemakers, the ones reporting them, replying to their posts etc . Do what the cops do, just throw them all out of the pub...and finish off their beer.

come on Kev     

Edited by Colin, 08 August 2008 - 10:56 AM.

[Jogger]

little aussie - from here on I will not engage in any public discussion with you on this forum. There is more to it than you have alluded to - you are dishonestly representing it. email me on info@coolrunning.com.au if you want to discuss it.

[Bellthorpe]

littleaussie, on Aug 7 2008, 05:40 PM, said:

Bellthorpe: A "smack in the head" can kill.  Taken literally of metaphorically it pushes the culture towards violence.  Cool Running is not a pub, a punk gig or a place for violent talk.  Impressionable kids and people come here.  CR Adminstration needs to act responsibly.  Running is interesting enough without all the drama.

  
  Riddle me this, Ronnie. You speak of running being interesting, yet I can't find any posts of yours (even those prior to your all night deletion effort) that actually give advice on running. You're a far better runner than I am (or ever will be) but none of your posts are actually about running. They're mainly all about punk (good) and your moral high ground (not good). You take any disagreement as a personal attack, which it's not.
  
  CR is a kind of a pub. A theme pub. That's why there are off-topic forums, to cater for the gossip, joking around and so on. Like most posters, the great bulk of my posts are about running. I try to pass on my experience and thoughts, especially to new runners. Some people appreciate that, some disagree with what I've said and tell me so. I don't mind. You could do a far better job of it if you wanted to. Some of my posts are nonsense, some are just light hearted fun, and some, such as 'smack in the head' are of course not to be taken too seriously.
  
  Some of my posts are public service, but as I've found out today, the new generation of moderators feel that they must be deleted.
  
  Come on Ronnie, if you really think it's all about running, why don't you post about running, and help some of your fellow runners?

[Colsy]

To me it all adds up to the wonderful and complex fabric that is Coolrunning.




Wonderful, Wonderful Copenhagen.......

[Ewoksta]

Jogger Kev/ Little Aussie,

From the posts that I have seen from Ron it seems that he has some valid points on life in general. Am yet to see too many that are running related but hopefully he can share his experience with us.

Suggestion.... and I know I will get shot down for this but.... Why not work with Ron and make him a moderator, encorage him to help out with the threads. If he sees something he doesn't like he can act on it without having to report it or writing a 1000 word essay about morals etc.

I would like Ron to share his running experience with us all, I am sure he is a wealth of knowledge.

Just a thought

Cheers
Andrew

[Ron1]

Bellthorpe, on Aug 7 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

  Riddle me this, Ronnie. You speak of running being interesting, yet I can't find any posts of yours (even those prior to your all night deletion effort) that actually give advice on running. You're a far better runner than I am (or ever will be) but none of your posts are actually about running. They're mainly all about punk (good) and your moral high ground (not good). You take any disagreement as a personal attack, which it's not.
  
  CR is a kind of a pub. A theme pub. That's why there are off-topic forums, to cater for the gossip, joking around and so on. Like most posters, the great bulk of my posts are about running. I try to pass on my experience and thoughts, especially to new runners. Some people appreciate that, some disagree with what I've said and tell me so. I don't mind. You could do a far better job of it if you wanted to. Some of my posts are nonsense, some are just light hearted fun, and some, such as 'smack in the head' are of course not to be taken too seriously.
  
  Some of my posts are public service, but as I've found out today, the new generation of moderators feel that they must be deleted.


  
  Come on Ronnie, if you really think it's all about running, why don't you post about running, and help some of your fellow runners?

Bellthorpe:  Your assertions are incorrect.  

Kids aren't allowed in pubs.  Yes I think not promoting violence on a running site is a morally higher than advocating violence.   Running is much more fun when you don't have to worry about abnoxious slobs trying to pick a fight.  People are more likely to  engage in conversation on CR if there isn't intimitating discourse.

Ewoksta:  google and you'll get better advice than I could offer.

Edited by littleaussie, 08 August 2008 - 01:14 PM.

[Jogger]

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Why not work with Ron and make him a moderator, encorage him to help out with the threads

If he can't be trusted to not have a delete-fest on his own posts he can't be trusted with anyone elses and nor can he be trusted to act on CR's behalf. nuff said.

Happy to discuss Ron offline (info@coolrunning.com.au) but I won't respond any more in public.

[Bellthorpe]

"Bellthorpe:  Your assertions are incorrect"

"Kids aren't allowed in pubs."

Yes they are Ronnie. I see kids every time I go to the pub.

"Yes I think not promoting violence on a running site is a morally higher than advocating violence."

The posts which have touched on that 'smack in the mouth' topic aren't actually advocating violence. And even if they were, they number half a dozen, when this site has tens of thousands of posts on it. Most of them about running.

If you want to find gratuitous violence, just watch the evening news. The events portrayed there are where you might better vent your ire.

"Running is much more fun when you don't have to worry about abnoxious slobs trying to pick a fight.  People are more likely to  engage in conversation on CR if there isn't intimitating discourse."

You know this how? Newcomers to CR go straight to the 'beginning runner' section, and all of their questions are answered. People wanting to race at GC or GH or improve their 10k times go there and engage in very healthy running dialogue.

And people who just want to knock ideas around, engage in a bit of pedantry or nonsense go to the 'off topic' forums. No-one makes them do so, they just like the idea.

"Ewoksta:  google and you'll get better advice than I could offer."

That's hardly the case. Google will give as much rubbish as value. As stated, the entire concept of these forums is for runners to help other runners. Yet you don't want to do that. Why is that?

Edited by Bellthorpe, 08 August 2008 - 01:47 PM.

[Ron1]

JoggerKev, on Aug 7 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

If he can't be trusted to not have a delete-fest on his own posts he can't be trusted with anyone elses and nor can he be trusted to act on CR's behalf. nuff said.

Happy to discuss Ron offline (info@coolrunning.com.au) but I won't respond any more in public.

Kev. What is your problem? That last post is up and up slander. I never requested to be a moderator .  You have no reason to attack me. That is a clear personal attack on my integrity.

I have emailed you a while ago.

Edited by littleaussie, 08 August 2008 - 01:59 PM.