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[tayebeh]

Paul Every, on 03 November 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

Our digestive systems are radically different form ruminants (buffalo) or elephants and it is not a valid comparison. If you want to make a comparison with animals, surely our closest relative, the chimpanzee, would be best. However, they are omnivorous.

http://www.vegsource...-of-eating.html

[chrisso]

tayebeh, on 06 November 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

http://www.vegsource...-of-eating.html

Thanks for the article. It certainly makes some good comparisons between human anatonmy and that of Herbivores.

But humans also have a series of traits which suggest that their anatomy is geared towards persistance hunting of meat(borrowed from here)  

Hairlessness and an abundance of sweat glands, as a heat loss mechanism
Short toes
Large gluteal muscles
Increased bodyfat
Long legs with springy tendons
Ability to breathe through the mouth while running

which also allows for the capability of humans to complete ultramarathons.

[walker1st]

chrisso, on 06 November 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

Thanks for the article. It certainly makes some good comparisons between human anatonmy and that of Herbivores.

But humans also have a series of traits which suggest that their anatomy is geared towards persistance hunting of meat(borrowed from here)  

Hairlessness and an abundance of sweat glands, as a heat loss mechanism
Short toes
Large gluteal muscles
Increased bodyfat
Long legs with springy tendons
Ability to breathe through the mouth while running

which also allows for the capability of humans to complete ultramarathons.

those human body traits are not at all for hunting, they are for sex

endurance hairless long legs, large gutes, ability to breath through mouth, nicely positioned bodyfat


the hunting theory us just that another theory going completely wrong

[Paul Every]

tayebeh, on 06 November 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

http://www.vegsource...-of-eating.html

Thanks for posting that. Perfect example of the illogical comparisons I was talking about.

No consideration given to the species to which we are most closely related.

[walker1st]

the food argumentation based on spieces and evolution is interesting to watch

lately the science is exposing facts, showing that Darwin actually got it exactly other way around

for simplicity staying only with the human=apes issue.

now it is becoming clear, at least to those not in the Darwin religion

that the common ancestor was human like and from human prototype some groups not willing or able to grow or at least stay on human soul level

degenerated in apes on soul level first and in body materialisticaly second

so the ape is only very degenerated human prototype

so in reality there is no evolution, but de-evolution or degradation


and there was gorilization of the former humans

and on wider level various animals also were just specialized in some very selected properties from univerzal human prototype


so animals nutrition and food habits and digestive system are only specialized to something specific  and any attempt to argue human nutrition should take clues from animals etc is complety missing the basic point

so to me it completely irrelevant whcih animal is plant feeding and which is meat killer and which eats only bananas, it only shows degenerative specialization

the human nutrition should respect individual soul development state and than listenning to body feedback for minor adjustement tweeking and temoporary changes and should be based on flexibility

[tayebeh]

walker1st, on 07 November 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

the food argumentation based on spieces and evolution is interesting to watch

lately the science is exposing facts, showing that Darwin actually got it exactly other way around

for simplicity staying only with the human=apes issue.

now it is becoming clear, at least to those not in the Darwin religion

that the common ancestor was human like and from human prototype some groups not willing or able to grow or at least stay on human soul level

degenerated in apes on soul level first and in body materialisticaly second

so the ape is only very degenerated human prototype

so in reality there is no evolution, but de-evolution or degradation


and there was gorilization of the former humans

and on wider level various animals also were just specialized in some very selected properties from univerzal human prototype


so animals nutrition and food habits and digestive system are only specialized to something specific  and any attempt to argue human nutrition should take clues from animals etc is complety missing the basic point

so to me it completely irrelevant whcih animal is plant feeding and which is meat killer and which eats only bananas, it only shows degenerative specialization

the human nutrition should respect individual soul development state and than listenning to body feedback for minor adjustement tweeking and temoporary changes and should be based on flexibility

Although I am not an evolution denier (and actually think evolution happens and is amazing) I agree with you that comparing us with apes all the time is wrong!and there are far too many guesses in evolutioanry theories! All the medications and tests done on apes/rats/cats is heap of crap when in reality they affect human beings in a very different way, showing how different our bodies are to apes/rat/cats! People even deny the science that the apes digestive system is different to us!!!as you can see in the prior post!I Read this on Paulo Coelho's FB page this morning that said: "Don't waste your time explaining. People only hear what they want to hear"! I assume too much animal products in people diets make them so

[BEN-HUR]

It would serve us all here who want to better grasp the issues associated with the diet of man/woman if we leave the speculative pseudoscientific nonsense of evolution out of the discussion. We do not need it to understand the issues involved here - I don't know why this neo-religious concept that invokes the philosophy of molecules to man "evolution" has to creep into discussions of this nature (in fact I do know why - but still). One false premise (evolution) inevitably leads to other false premises & false conclusions (i.e. bipedalism-hunter-meat diet etc...). I have provided alternative counterviews to evolution (from varying aspects, including nutrition) before & would probably guess most here do not want to get bogged down on this aspect in this thread.

We need to focus on the facts that lay before us in this time period where empirical science is the main objective via experimental/operational science - rather than the historical assumptions associated with the biased guess work of other individuals. The points outlined in post 198 should be a starting point of which diet would be more conducive to man/woman & subsequent athlete nutrition i.e. botany (the nature of plants for human nutrition i.e. ratio of macro-nutrients, phytochemicals etc...), physiology (the nature of the human digestive system), environmental (i.e. biomagnification), epidemiology (diseases associated with poor nutrition) & food breakdown (digestive rates of food types, preservatives/chemicals etc...).

Once we start to understand some of the above issues then we can make informed choices for our own lives.

[SlowManiac]

I once knew a geography teacher who was president of the flat earth society.

[BEN-HUR]

SlowManiac, on 08 November 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

I once knew a geography teacher who was president of the flat earth society.

Yea, strange you should mention that (in fact I'm not sure why you would mention that)... I have it on good authority that the president of the flat earth society was an evolutionist (& especially antagonistic towards opposing views) - figures doesn't it?

It astounds me that there are such people out there that actually believe such things - their faith must be incredible   !

[tayebeh]

BEN-HUR, on 08 November 2011 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yea, strange you should mention that (in fact I'm not sure why you would mention that)... I have it on good authority that the president of the flat earth society was an evolutionist (& especially antagonistic towards opposing views) - figures doesn't it?

It astounds me that there are such people out there that actually believe such things - their faith must be incredible   !

How irrelevant comparing flat earth dispute with evolution issues!! For earth you can actually see and prove, what prove is on evolution? Books that some people write after finding half a bone!!! Diet and Evolution is relevant when it comes to ethics of food I suppose, this is interesting to watch if you haven't already

[SlowManiac]

You are right Tayebeh, you would have to be fair dinkum barking bonkers to dispute scientific evidence.

Seriously, you are a credit to vegetarians everwhere.

[Nickelass]

Great video Tayebeh.  Thanks for posting.

[BEN-HUR]

I'm not sure if I'm following your trail of 'logic' 'tayebeh'...

tayebeh, on 08 November 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

How irrelevant comparing flat earth dispute with evolution issues!!

Excuse me?... but how irrelevant is it to bring "flat earth" in this topic to begin with? You had better inquire with 'SlowManiac' as to why it was brought up in post # 210 (I have my speculations). I just stated a fact associated with 'SlowManiac's' reference to... "the president of the flat earth society"... & yes it is relevant to evolution (in the context given) - but sure not relevant to this topic!

tayebeh, on 08 November 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

For earth you can actually see and prove, what prove is on evolution?

Yes, anybody with half a brain can figure the spherical shape of the earth I would have thought. You question proof for evolution?... So do I.

tayebeh, on 08 November 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Books that some people write after finding half a bone!!!

Yes, I have interest in anthropology/palaeontology & have noted the history of deliberate fraud, mixing of artefacts, wild imagination & biased speculations when it comes to assessing bones within the evolution paradigm. Like I've said before, few sciences produce such abundant returns from so few fragments of fact as anthropology/palaeontology.  

But then it seems your logic shifts...

tayebeh, on 08 November 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Diet and Evolution is relevant when it comes to ethics of food I suppose, this is interesting to watch if you haven't already

Diet & evolution is not relevant at all... well at least on an empirical science level.


I am a vegetarian/vegan for a few reasons - not just animal related ethics...

BEN-HUR, on 07 November 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

The points outlined in post 198 should be a starting point of which diet would be more conducive to man/woman & subsequent athlete nutrition i.e. botany (the nature of plants for human nutrition i.e. ratio of macro-nutrients, phytochemicals etc...), physiology (the nature of the human digestive system), environmental (i.e. biomagnification), epidemiology (diseases associated with poor nutrition) & food breakdown (digestive rates of food types, preservatives/chemicals etc...).

Health probably being the prime reason, physiology being second, followed by issues associated with animal cruelty (i.e. factory farming, slaughter houses), environmental (i.e. ecological) etc...

Now to that video...

I can't believe you would cite such a video to support your views (or that of a vegetarian/vegan). When I saw Peter Singer in the title I somewhat knew what it would be about but I didn't expect that he would be interviewed by Dawkins & for the nonsense to go as far as it did. I couldn't believe the degree of speculative drivel associated with topics of pain, feelings, Darwinian assumptions, theology, cannibalism, human-chimp hybrids, morality etc...

Thanks anyway for bringing it to my attention - it only confirms what I already knew & suspected of the two 'men' (or would they prefer to be called animals). The video confirms the ignorance of Dawkins, which I find utterly amazing for an individual of his position; & as for Peter Singer...

We are talking about the same Peter Singer who sees no ethical issue with zoophilia/bestiality, necrophilia as well as abortion, infanticide & euthanasia... & now we can add cannibalism to the list (going by the video). Yet Dawkins calls him the most ethical/moral man he knows - yep, that figures!

I can't get over the fact that we have two so called 'educated' 'men' discussing the reasoning & subsequently condoning the eating of other humans - cannibalism... using scenarios such as human road kill or cloning human flesh for consumption. These two individuals have no moral objection to this practice. Then what do you expect when they openly debase human value via referring us as animals... "human animals" as opposed to "non-human animals".

During their assessment of the issues associated with vegetarianism/veganism they didn't even touch on the nutrition/health aspects (& the science thereof) - I wonder why - partly to do with the above insane viewpoint - partly due to an underlying agenda???

Like Peter Singer, I am a vegetarian/vegan... but unlike Singer & Dawkins, I am not a "conforming animal" - I have a mind (I think for myself) & I intend to use it!

This just goes to show that the sometimes perceived issues between vegetarianism & non-vegetarianism shouldn't have an us vs. them attitude. Whilst I agree with some of Singer's views regarding animal treatment, I am certainly in disagreement with the bulk of his views. Vegetarians/vegans should distance themselves from this guy!

The fact of the matter is, this topic does not need to invoke cult like, neo-religious movements (flat earth society & evolution) & does not need to invoke insane viewpoints which only further debases human value. We just need to focus on the facts at hand - the science surrounding the most ideal diet for human consumption & performance... as well as the actual experiences of other vegetarian runners.

[tayebeh]

BEN-HUR, on 08 November 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

Diet & evolution is not relevant at all... well at least on an empirical science level.


During their assessment of the issues associated with vegetarianism/veganism they didn't even touch on the nutrition/health aspects (& the science thereof) - I wonder why - partly to do with the above insane viewpoint - partly due to an underlying agenda???

Like Peter Singer, I am a vegetarian/vegan... but unlike Singer & Dawkins, I am not a "conforming animal" - I have a mind (I think for myself) & I intend to use it!

I think you need to consider that Peter Singer is ethicist and no health and nutrition advisor therefore I am not surprised that he doesn't say a word on nutrition and health aspects...I think focusing on human benefits on diet selection is still a human-centric view on world and animals, therefore I think closer to PS that every being is special in a specific way and has a right to live...I also think he had contributed a lot to animal welfare by making people uncomfortable for their food choices...
anyway I suggest that darwinism and views of like Dawkins don't put us off studying what Charles Darwin had done and how he lived and why he thought the way he did...If I were religious I would have thought that Darwin was a creation "masterpiece"! His novelty and efforts are truly amazing...agree let's get into running business

[BEN-HUR]

tayebeh, on 09 November 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

I think you need to consider that Peter Singer is ethicist and no health and nutrition advisor therefore I am not surprised that he doesn't say a word on nutrition and health aspects...I think focusing on human benefits on diet selection is still a human-centric view on world and animals,

I personally would think it better to look at the topic in a more holistic fashion (i.e. including human health/nutrition & environmental) than on ethics alone. Let's face it - no one likes the ideals of someone's ethics shoved at them - this thread has revealed this aspect already. There needs to be more sound & broader reasoning as to why a particular diet is more conducive to humans, animals & the biosphere.

Besides, going by that video I find the ethics of Singer & Dawkins rather warped (sick) to say the least (i.e. cannibalism, infanticide etc...); then there are Singer's views on zoophilia/bestiality. Maybe these type of ethics are a result of Darwinism & evolution as was stated (I would say just evolution alone) - as Dawkins would say, it is of "logical consistency" to develop such views. I'm sure Charles Darwin would be 'turning in his grave' if he knew he was represented in such a way!  

tayebeh, on 09 November 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

... therefore I think closer to PS that every being is special in a specific way and has a right to live...I also think he had contributed a lot to animal welfare by making people uncomfortable for their food choices...

I didn't get that view from Singer. He has no doubt contributed to animal welfare from an ethics perspective; however, like I said, he may have more influence if he widened his scope & looked at the topic in a more holistic fashion.

tayebeh, on 09 November 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

anyway I suggest that darwinism and views of like Dawkins don't put us off studying what Charles Darwin had done and how he lived and why he thought the way he did...If I were religious I would have thought that Darwin was a creation "masterpiece"! His novelty and efforts are truly amazing...

I'm sure if Darwin was alive today he would most definitely have different views to what he did 150 - 200 years ago. Some (i.e. Dawkins) stubbornly cling on to his philosophy to retain their desired world views... which inevitably lead to rather alarming/disturbing ethical consequences (& poor science)!

tayebeh, on 09 November 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

agree let's get into running business

Agree... just keep it to vegetarianism/veganism & its association with running

[walker1st]

so finaly, debate free of that darwin hoax...


how is vegetarianism or veganism important to running, healthwise, happinesswise and performancewise ?

and other way around, how is running relevant to vegolifestyle ?

[Paul Every]

BEN-HUR, on 09 November 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

Agree... just keep it to vegetarianism/veganism & its association with running

Rather ironic coming from BH.  

[BEN-HUR]

Paul Every, on 09 November 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

Rather ironic coming from BH.  

No Paul. I have maintained all along that this topic is associated with vegetarianism & running - period! Others here have brought their off-topic twist to the topic for whatever reason. I have addressed some of those... as have others. Of late I have addressed the issues associated with the "flat earth society" & "evolution"... both issues instigated by others; whilst I have maintained that there is no relevance for their use in this topic. I have never instigated discussion on areas of this nature - but will address them when they arise. Is that fair? It would seem others from a certain persuasion can put forward all sorts of off-topic trash but heaven forbid if another addresses some of these issues.

I suggest you keep an open mind, carefully follow the development of the thread & note who does what.

With your presence here I take it you have an interest on the topic - if so, add something constructive.

[cakeboy]

edit:

Edited by cakeboy, 09 November 2011 - 04:15 PM.

[brewer]

BEN-HUR, on 07 November 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

I don't know why this neo-religious ...

Odd, some of my pagan mates were complaining about that neophyte Christian religion.

[Paul Every]

BEN-HUR, on 09 November 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

No Paul. I have maintained all along that this topic is associated with vegetarianism & running - period!

Whether you have or not, you have still managed to add to more content that is not associated with vegetarianism and running, than all the other posters put together.

Whether that be by virtue of responding to others, providing comprehensive detail, an inability to be succinct, extrapolating tangents or flogging a hobby horse, it is still ironic.

[tayebeh]

Paul Every, on 09 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Whether you have or not, you have still managed to add to more content that is not associated with vegetarianism and running, than all the other posters put together.

Whether that be by virtue of responding to others, providing comprehensive detail, an inability to be succinct, extrapolating tangents or flogging a hobby horse, it is still ironic.

Paul can you tell us about your diet during training and ultimately racing the Australian foot race?? Have you changed your diet since then for your current ultras??

[BEN-HUR]

Paul Every, on 09 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Whether you have or not, you have still managed to add to more content that is not associated with vegetarianism and running, than all the other posters put together.

Rubbish Paul; your objectivity, observation & comprehension of the content are wanting. Like I said...

BEN-HUR, on 09 November 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

With your presence here I take it you have an interest on the topic - if so, add something constructive.

If not - move on.

Or answer this one...

tayebeh, on 09 November 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Paul can you tell us about your diet during training and ultimately racing the Australian foot race?? Have you changed your diet since then for your current ultras??

How about I start. Even though I don't call myself an ultra runner, I am running about 120 -180 km week (pending on stage).

Food only - basic outline:

- Breakfast: porridge, ugali, millet or quinoa with fruit.

- Lunch: pasta, rice &/or lentils, vegetables/salad.

- Dinner: fruit, nuts & seeds.

[tayebeh]

BEN-HUR, on 09 November 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

How about I start. Even though I don't call myself an ultra runner, I am running about 120 -180 km week (pending on stage).

Food only - basic outline:

- Breakfast: porridge, ugali, millet or quinoa with fruit.

- Lunch: pasta, rice &/or lentils, vegetables/salad.

- Dinner: fruit, nuts & seeds.

Thanks BenHur for this, can I ask when you train? Do you train before breakfast?(if yes how long?) If so do you have enough energy? based on how little your dinners sounds to me!
Can you also say how much fluid you get? Do you drink tea or coffee??

I train once in morning (run or cycle) about 1-1.5 hrs in the morning and if not getting enough carb in dinner seem to be low in energy in the morning.

[MrUniqueName]

I was really excited when this thread started as I had been considering becoming vegetarian for quite a while... what a shame it's ended up going so personal  

[tayebeh]

MrUniqueName, on 10 November 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

I was really excited when this thread started as I had been considering becoming vegetarian for quite a while... what a shame it's ended up going so personal  

Diet stirs some people up unfortunately and instead of providing content it becomes personal one to one disagreements and accusations!!
what is putting you off from trying vegeterian diet at least as a trial??

[MrUniqueName]

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 09:54 AM, said:

what is putting you off from trying vegeterian diet at least as a trial??

Actually, I've been pescetarian for about 2.5 weeks now, and am having no problems whatsoever. In fact as soon as I stopped eating (non-seafood) meat, I stopped even liking the idea of eating it. I'm not ready to go full veg though so am trying pescetarianism as a compromise.

[tayebeh]

MrUniqueName, on 10 November 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

Actually, I've been pescetarian for about 2.5 weeks now, and am having no problems whatsoever. In fact as soon as I stopped eating (non-seafood) meat, I stopped even liking the idea of eating it. I'm not ready to go full veg though so am trying pescetarianism as a compromise.

Interesting as I think it is not very hard to change either, I bascially decided to go vegeterian (full) in one day accompanied by cutting cheese and yoghurt as well (6months after that cut milk and eggs at home),saying that I had read a lot about food prior to that (bascially knew what I was doing) and never was a heavy meat eater anyway. I think it helps if you do the grocery shopping and cooking yourself, most people I know that struggle a lot have some other family memeber cook for them.Do you find it socially hard now? for going out etc? or you get people asking many questions from you?? Does it affect your running (although it is only for such a short time)?

[BEN-HUR]

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

... can I ask when you train?

I generally train twice a day.

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

Do you train before breakfast?(if yes how long?)

Yes, usually the easier session is in the morning - this is usually 10 - 12 km.

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

If so do you have enough energy? based on how little your dinners sounds to me!

Yes I do. It seems energy levels have improved for morning sessions (as subjective that is) since going onto the fruit/nuts/seeds dinner. I have put this down to the fact that these food groups are easier to digest, hence the body isn't requiring/needing a large amount of energy to digest a heavier based meal - particularly at night after the harder training session & before sleep where repair & rejuvenation takes place. We want energy to go towards repair/rejuvenation than to digesting a heavy meal. With the heat & longer days upon us, my PM training session can be later in the day (last night I finished my 25km run at 8.20pm) & finished dinner at about 9.30pm. The higher carb. & water content of the dinner meal seems to suit my program best.

My main meal for the day is lunch. Although the dinner meal sounds "little", I do feel full afterwards.

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

Can you also say how much fluid you get? Do you drink tea or coffee??

I consciously struggle with fluid content. I always have to remind myself to drink. I don't keep track of the volume but I try & drink regularly, particularly with Sydney's warmer weather of late (last night I was drenched with sweat). I mainly drink water, lemon juice in water & sometimes juices. I also drink a product called RejuvenX (from BioCeuticals) just to make sure I get everything I need due to the training load.

I do not drink tea, coffee or alcohol.

[walker1st]

just enter sri chinmoy 24H and you will have ultra and vegfood served to you, no worries.

[MrUniqueName]

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 10:33 AM, said:

Do you find it socially hard now? for going out etc? or you get people asking many questions from you??

I don't find it socially hard because it doesn't really both me what people think about it, plus obviously I still eat seafood which gives me lots of options if I go to a restaurant or somewhere like that. However I do find that I'm having to do a lot of explaining about why I dropped the other meats.

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 10:33 AM, said:

Does it affect your running (although it is only for such a short time)?

To be honest I'm not doing much running at the moment but I don't feel like it's affecting me in any way. I'm doing a weights program though and am going absolutely fine with that. I've only been able to manage about 5-6 hours sleep each night for the last week, and I'm handling it surprisingly well and have felt that maybe cutting out the meat has helped my energy levels a bit.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when I can get my sleep back to normal  

[tayebeh]

BEN-HUR, on 10 November 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

Yes I do. It seems energy levels have improved for morning sessions (as subjective that is) since going onto the fruit/nuts/seeds dinner. I have put this down to the fact that these food groups are easier to digest, hence the body isn't requiring/needing a large amount of energy to digest a heavier based meal - particularly at night after the harder training session & before sleep where repair & rejuvenation takes place. We want energy to go towards repair/rejuvenation than to digesting a heavy meal. With the heat & longer days upon us, my PM training session can be later in the day (last night I finished my 25km run at 8.20pm) & finished dinner at about 9.30pm. The higher carb. & water content of the dinner meal seems to suit my program best.

that sounds impressive, I prefer having more energy for morning and think my dinner is bigger than yours but basically is the meal that I am 50% cooked (some sort of quinoa/brown rice with tofu/beans and salad), maybe it is time to change and try something similar to yours! can you tell us more on dinner?do you combine those nuts/seeds or use randomly or fruit is assuming raw? what fruit/nuts/seeds? and perhaps some indication on how much you use (quantity)? any recipes?
I quite enjoy herbal teas (esp daandeloin and peppermint), have found that it helps with fluid intake as well! Thumbs up on no coffee and alcohol

Recipe contribution from me (great for dinner) very delicious:

Romaine Lettuce wraps with Nut Pate
Pate – these ingredients were put in the high power blender 1250W Sunbeam Café Series (don’t try it with a regular blender) – You could use a food processor or Vitamix

3 tomatoes
2 cups of soaked almonds, hazelnuts, Brazil nuts, pine nuts, sunflower seeds and linseeds
1 cup of celery
1 cup of carrots
1 teaspoon of Cumin
1 teaspoon of Curry powder
1 teaspoon of sea salt
1 teaspoon of Italian herbs
1/2 teaspoon of cayenne pepper

Take one tablespoon of the pate and wrap the lettuce around to make a lettuce wrap or lettuce parcel.

[BEN-HUR]

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

... can you tell us more on dinner?do you combine those nuts/seeds or use randomly or fruit is assuming raw? what fruit/nuts/seeds? and perhaps some indication on how much you use (quantity)?

I have two dishes: large bowl for the fruit, smallish dish for the nuts & seeds.

Fruit: The variety of fruit changes according to availability & season. Generally it consists of Tangelo/Mandarin, Orange, Pear, Apple, Banana, Kiwi Fruit, Mango, Sultanas, Blueberries, Raspberries & Strawberries (there are times when the Blueberries & Raspberries are brought frozen) & sometimes Pineapple. These are put into a large bowl (some are cut up) mixed together.

Nuts/Seeds: Generally consists of Walnuts, Brazil Nuts, Almonds, Cashews, Hazelnuts, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Pumpkin Seeds.

tayebeh, on 10 November 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

I quite enjoy herbal teas (esp daandeloin and peppermint), have found that it helps with fluid intake as well! Thumbs up on no coffee and alcohol

I once in a while have a herbal tea (not a big hot drink fan) - some herbal teas are said to be very good for you i.e. Red Clover, variety of berry teas. Thumbs up for the thumbs up on no coffee & alcohol .

Thanks also for the recipe. I'll see what I can find, however most of my meals are quite basic i.e. lunch is usually the only time where a recipe of sorts would be used.

[walker1st]

      

no coffee no alcohol

[Chon]

Hi guys,
Interesting thread.  I've been vegetarian for the last 12 years, although just in the last couple years I have started to eat very small amounts of fish (mainly wildly caught, not farmed).  I don't run massive distances, just up to half marathon distance, and probably 20-30km per week, so nowhere near you guys, I know!     I generally find my diet is reasonably healthy, however I do often find myself lacking energy.  I occasionally will take a course of iron supplements which seems to help.   Does anyone else find getting sufficient iron an issue?   My other issue is really eating too much chocolate. I know that I eat too much, but cant seem to be able to stop!
Anyway, I'm emjoying reading other's diet plans and how they are working.
Cheers,
Chon

[tayebeh]

Chon, on 12 November 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:

Hi guys,
Interesting thread.  I've been vegetarian for the last 12 years, although just in the last couple years I have started to eat very small amounts of fish (mainly wildly caught, not farmed).  I don't run massive distances, just up to half marathon distance, and probably 20-30km per week, so nowhere near you guys, I know!     I generally find my diet is reasonably healthy, however I do often find myself lacking energy.  I occasionally will take a course of iron supplements which seems to help.   Does anyone else find getting sufficient iron an issue?   My other issue is really eating too much chocolate. I know that I eat too much, but cant seem to be able to stop!
Anyway, I'm emjoying reading other's diet plans and how they are working.
Cheers,
Chon

Hi Chon, females and iron!!!!...I had issues in the past when I consumed dairy!! Dropped milk/yoghurt etc... and never got any issues anymore! Those chocolates if they are milk ones +all the caffeine won't be good really, as a rule of thumb they say 1 to 2 hours before and after iron rich food no caffeine! maybe read this one http://www.nomeatath...or-vegetarians/, although I disagree with the spinach in this article! Hope you get lots of green(raw if you can) + vitamin rich C minerals, and less chocolates

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Has a post been removed... or is my mind playing tricks on me. I didn't have the chance to look into it at the time but it did look controversial... & potentially annoying for both camps.

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