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#101 Gone2thepack

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:37 PM

View PostPaul Every, on 24 October 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

No probs.

Golden Crowns commonly wander into garages or laundries at night, prompting some residents to ask "I lived here for 10 years and never seen a snake, where did t come from?" The easy answer is usually from their garden, where they shelter under loose rocks or wood during the day and throughout winter.

Newly born Red Bellies have bright red scales fringing their stomach and are a glossy jet black. As with most species, their colouration is at its most vibrant as hatchlings or new borns. "Red Belly" is a bit of a misnomer actually, as the ventral (belly) scales are more pinky grey to creamish, with only the scales on the lower sides being red.



One has to go west of the Dividing Range in NSW to find King Browns, also known as Mulga Snakes. They are actually in the Black Snake genus along with Red-Bellies and Spotted Black Snakes, rather than being closely related to Browns (Eastern, Western, Dugites, etc). This is significant with choice of anti venom.

You most probably saw an Eastern Brown or, if it was less than a metre, possibly an Yellow-faced Whip Snake.




I tend to take stories of snakes chasing people with a grain of salt.

Snakes often "bolt" when confronted by humans, usually initially, but sometimes after standing their ground for a bit. Sometimes they flee in the direction of the human, presumably because they consider it as the best escape route. Maybe they know that direction affords the safety of a hole, a hollow log or, in the case of Red Bellies, a water body in which to submerge. Maybe they know they can slither faster downhill and it is just unfortunate that is where the humans are standing.

I have seen plenty of fleeing snakes slither straight past someone standing stock still. Yet to see someone being chased.



The major reasons for anti-venom not being administered following hospital admission doe to snake bite is due to the bite being from a non-venomous or mildly venomous species, or being a "dry" (venom withheld) bite from a dangerously venomous species.

If a healthy person has suffered a significant envenomation, there is no reason for antivenom not to be administered following the usual procedures. It is never a case of allowing the body to "process the venom" if someone has taken a decent hit.



Carpet Snakes are principly mammal feeders, (although lizards make up a larger part of their diet as hatchlings), so they are not going to have a significant impact on the numbers of other snakes in the area.

South-east Queensland is the "hot spot" for snake diversity in Australia, with over 30 species found in the region. Snakes are generally fairly secretive. Just because you are not seeing them, doesn't mean they are not out there.
Ah ha, cheers for the clarification Paul, much appreciated.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:42 PM

View PostWhippet gal, on 23 October 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

I love trail running but am absolutely petrified of snakes. With 'snake season' upon us I've been sticking to the roads.......

Ironically, by doing so you are increasing your chances of being hit by a car, (a much more common occurence), markedly.

There's no antivenom for being run over by a truck.  :o

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 02:43 PM

View Postdjbleakman, on 22 October 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

.... Beautiful looking creature...

And those were exactly the words coming out of your mouth at the time ;)
Secret's safe with me.

There is a TON of snakes this season up in the Watagans.  More than I have seen in quite a few years.  Paul not sure if you'll know but does the increasing snake population indicating the improving health of the forest or is that just an old bushman's tale / wishful thinking?  The burgeoning goanna population is also meant to be a good sign.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 02:59 PM

TP - yep the goannas were everywhere in 2008 then in 2009 and 2010 don't think I saw one.  Now they are back and they're pretty big too.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:11 PM

View Posttrailpuddin, on 24 October 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

And those were exactly the words coming out of your mouth at the time ;)
Secret's safe with me.

There is a TON of snakes this season up in the Watagans.  More than I have seen in quite a few years.  Paul not sure if you'll know but does the increasing snake population indicating the improving health of the forest or is that just an old bushman's tale / wishful thinking?  The burgeoning goanna population is also meant to be a good sign.


Oh rub it in why don't you! Still haven't seen one!!! OK I saw one on the road while driving but not the same.

Saw at least 4 goanna's though, some beauties too.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:35 PM

View Posttrailpuddin, on 24 October 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:


There is a TON of snakes this season up in the Watagans.  More than I have seen in quite a few years.

I was running with a couple of others yesterday, and mentioned that if ever they were going to see red bellies it would be coming through the paddock at Watagan Creek.

We saw zilch. I was quite disappointed. Did meet Mollie the Kelpie though.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 04:52 PM

Lots of snake reports on trails around Adelaide already this summer.

Are there more of them out there, or are there more of US out there?

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:03 PM

I saw my first snake in the wild during the GOW100 just after running out of the Johanna Beach checkpoint-no idea what it was.  about 120cm long at a guess, black or dark grey.  That's about all I saw before it slithered into the bushes-and I wasn't going to look for it!

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:13 PM

View PostBandanna, on 24 October 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

I was running with a couple of others yesterday, and mentioned that if ever they were going to see red bellies it would be coming through the paddock at Watagan Creek.

Expected to see 'old george' a big old brown that lives on that paddock but yet to be sighted this year.  Still having heart pulpitations every time I walk near the edge of the creek (home to George's cousin now labelled "Young Bazza").  Can attest to Pauls claim that black snakes like to hide in water, young bazza just happen to like to take a date with him.

SlowManiac - thought of you Sat arvo - we had a wonderful python experience in the Basin.  It was beautiful - Flying Emu spotted it first - it was a bit over a metre long and coiled itself around a stick.  Absolutely stunning against mossy backdrop - completely unconcerned about us standing there gorking at it. Even had its little tongue out to say hello. I think one of us might have smelled a bit dead.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:28 PM

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View PostPaul Every, on 20 October 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:

Snakes don't have ears, so they are largely insensitive to air borne sounds.

You are right Paul, but it's my understanding that snakes are extremely sensitive to to movement/vibration etc. To the point were loud noise will generate enough vibration to scare them off.

Edited by triharddental, 24 October 2011 - 08:33 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2011 - 10:49 AM

View PostPaul Every, on 21 October 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

It smells different to any mammal crap that I've encountered (and that has been a diverse spectrum), but I wouldn't know how to describe it.

I do see some weird-looking animal crap on the trails, which doesn't look like it's come out of a marsupial's bum (or a wild dog or flying fox or feral cat... or trail runner). I guess I'll have to just enjoy the sense of mystery.

View PostPaul Every, on 24 October 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:


South-east Queensland is the "hot spot" for snake diversity in Australia, with over 30 species found in the region. Snakes are generally fairly secretive. Just because you are not seeing them, doesn't mean they are not out there.

Yay.

View Posttrailpuddin, on 24 October 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

Can attest to Pauls claim that black snakes like to hide in water, young bazza just happen to like to take a date with him.



I'm so looking forward to hearing the full story one day about your dip with a snake TP!

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:16 PM

Hey Emery, appreciate any insights.

Guided by my nose to the source of putrescence, I found dead the carpet python that's been living in our roof, hanging out in the verandah rafters, and wandering around the property for some years.

No sign of physical injury, and apparently a full belly. Gave birth a few months ago. I measured it yesterday, 9ft long.

Curious as to likely cause of death. Do they have any natural predators? We no longer have elephants on the property, so it wasn't an elephant stomping. Anything likely to have been eaten that's poisonous to them? There's some wild dog baiting, but not within a couple of miles of our place. How far do they roam?

I might yet do an autopsy to see what's in the belly ...

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 08:36 AM

Stromlo CC course in Canberra is crawling with red belly blacks now. Lots of water in the damn & creek & lots of frogs on the menu for them. Our training group came upon 3 on just one day last week. Easy to see with the grass cut short & not aggressive. Just watch where you step.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:59 PM

Man snakes scare the crap out of me.

I saw 2 red bellies this morning.  I've only taken up trail running in the last 4 months so summer and snakes is new to me!

The stories on here are not helping...

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 03:58 PM

Attached File  IMG-20111113-00006.jpg   48.54K   130 downloads  Nothing cryptic about this health death adder specimen making the most of the sun's rays
found between Mooney Mooney and Patonga just past the unmanned water stop.  
Oh, and Paul was just 5 mins away when this photo was taken.

Edited by sailaway, 14 November 2011 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:36 PM

ooh scary sight! i hope i dont have any sightings of these this season!! though still suprised how placid they seem to be.. was this one overly bothererd by you running nearby?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:05 PM

I was running at Lake Gillawarna near Bankstown last week. I jumped over what I thought was a stick on the path, which turned out to be a red-bellied black snake. It lashed at me but didn't actually bite me.. Maybe just a defensive reaction? I am terrified of snakes (irrational I know.) I run there all the time and have never seen a snake before. I guess they usually get out of the way. Anyway I think I am too scared too run there now. And I have decided I should carry a phone with me when running. Was a few k's from my car...

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:44 PM

nothing irrational about being scared of snakes! i never used to worry about them until last season training for six foot i came across heaps of them including death adders.. i always carry a phone and compression bandage in the bush now!

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 05:48 AM

Wow, Crabby, you must be really lucky, or unlucky. I have been running at Lake Gillawarna for over 30 years and I have never seen a snake there.
I run there with Westies on a Saturday morning. We would have over 100 people most Saturdays and I can't recall anyone reporting any sightings, although I'm quite sure there must be plenty of snakes around, given the nature of the surrounding areas. All our pounding feet must scare them off.
I'll have to keep my eyes open on Saturday mornings now!

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:57 PM

View Postsailaway, on 14 November 2011 - 03:58 PM, said:

Attachment IMG-20111113-00006.jpg  Nothing cryptic about this health death adder specimen making the most of the sun's rays
found between Mooney Mooney and Patonga just past the unmanned water stop.  
Oh, and Paul was just 5 mins away when this photo was taken.

Sailaway, I could see you and pacer stopped further along the fire trail just as I arrived at the water stop. Bugger! Only just missed seeing him.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 02:04 PM

View Postarrtgrrl, on 14 November 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

ooh scary sight! i hope i dont have any sightings of these this season!! though still suprised how placid they seem to be.. was this one overly bothererd by you running nearby?

Naomi

Not at all. Just laying there taking in the sun. Only time it got bothered was when I got a little close to take the photo then Mr Adder started to huff & puff. It's way to tell me to get on my way.Posted Image

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 02:52 PM

View Postcrabby, on 14 November 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

I was running at Lake Gillawarna near Bankstown last week. I jumped over what I thought was a stick on the path, which turned out to be a red-bellied black snake. It lashed at me but didn't actually bite me.. Maybe just a defensive reaction? I am terrified of snakes (irrational I know.) I run there all the time and have never seen a snake before. I guess they usually get out of the way. Anyway I think I am too scared too run there now. And I have decided I should carry a phone with me when running. Was a few k's from my car...

I don't think a fear if snakes is so irrational. Some of it is cultural. People with less exposure to snakes and less knowledge of them tend to be more afraid. I seem to have met a disproportionally large number of Kiwis who have deep-rooted anxieties about snakes, though they had never encountered them. NZ has no native snakes and even major zoos are prohibited to import them for display. It is not until an NZer travels overseas that they see their first snake, most often in a zoo.

Humans probably evolved with a trepidation toward snakes as an inbuilt survival mechanism, much like a fear of heights. Those instincts can be strongly selected for in a natural environments. Dead people don't breed very well! Certainly chimps, our closest relatives, have a fear of snakes. Even captive bred troops of chimps will do a communal freak-out at the sight of the smallest snake, despite the many of the individuals not having previously encountered snake, much less one providing any threat.  

As for your Red-belly, definitely a defensive reaction by a startled snake. If it saw you sooner he would have probably just slid away. Perhaps it hadn't quite warmed up and wasn't initially very alert.

When harassed or surprised, Red-bellies are sometimes inclined to bluff and lunge without biting. For the snake, if it can get its message across without coming into contact with a potential predator, it is at less risk of injury. However, generally the rapid retreat is their favoured option.

Also, Red-bellies have a fairly inaccurate strike at the best of times. When they hunt, they actively forage by sticking their head into nooks and crannies looking for whatever they can find (frogs, lizards, other snakes, small mammals, etc), hence they are used to catching prey in confined spaces and are relatively uncoordinated at hitting moving target in the open.

Brown Snakes, on the other hand, will hunt fast-moving prey, like mice, in the open. They have keener vision and have evolved a fast and accurate strike, making them less inclined to miss their target.

Edited by Paul Every, 15 November 2011 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:40 PM

I saw quite a few smallish (around 45cms)brown snakes on the Coast Track in the Royal National Park yesterday. I don't normally have any concerns about snakes but I very nearly stood on two that were camourflaged in the dark brown roots and brush that is prevelant on parts of the track. I haven't run this trail before and I was surprised in the poor condition of the track in a lot of it's length.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:11 PM

Saw a couple of these little nocturnal fellers on GNW100's. Common in the Watagan State Forest area.

Cacophis harriettae (White-crowned snake).

There is a dwarf version as well, not sure if the ones I saw were juvinile or dwarf.

Venemous but not considered dangerous to humans.

Beautiful creatures.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:45 PM

View Postarrtgrrl, on 20 October 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

Thats fantastic! look forward to reading the article!


The latest edition with my article on snakes is now available as a free download online Trail Run Mag Aus/NZ

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:36 PM

I'm still getting over my giant wallaby 'attack' from trail running, but I've decided I'm staying away from my local trail FOREVER thanks to this thread!

I can't believe some of you stop to take photos!! Tookeen's pic has seriously given me the heebie jeebies. And don't get me started on Bellthorpe's  :Worried:  

I saw a red bellied black snake yesterday but it was out on an open bike track. It still scared the crap out of me though  :unsure:

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:31 PM

View Postsailaway, on 14 November 2011 - 03:58 PM, said:

Attachment IMG-20111113-00006.jpg  Nothing cryptic about this health death adder specimen making the most of the sun's rays
found between Mooney Mooney and Patonga just past the unmanned water stop.  
Oh, and Paul was just 5 mins away when this photo was taken.

So Sailaway, can you tell us what you meant by they are slow but fast??? Something like how we were running at the time?? Also I remember this little beauty being straight as a dye until you got a little to close taking this photo, seen one to many Steve Irwin doco's???

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 09:01 PM

View Postlukedoyle, on 23 December 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

So Sailaway, can you tell us what you meant by they are slow but fast??? Something like how we were running at the time?? Also I remember this little beauty being straight as a dye until you got a little to close taking this photo, seen one to many Steve Irwin doco's???

spot on luke! ;) Best way to run an ultra is to start slow and finish fast but not too fast that you leave the pacer behind, :search:

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 04:33 AM

Having just notices this thread exists thought it would be right to share my little story. Earlier this December I was running in the evening in local area. Eltham in Melbourne. What was going to be an easy hour run turned into a 12 hour hospital stay when I found myself on the sharp end of a snake.

I wrote a blog post about the experience at:
http://gohard.blogsp...season.html?m=1

There is varied opinion about snakes on here. I have seen many over my years of running and do leave them alone because I don't like aggravating any wild life. Now I have to say even if you're lucky like me to get a 'dry' bite and not have to still with the venom it still sucks getting bitten.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:18 PM

The only time I've ever seen snakes or spiders while out on a run/hike is when I stop to have a rest - either I don't notice them when I'm running or I'm just unlucky when I'm resting.

Maybe it's nature telling me that I need to spend less time resting...

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:58 PM

View PostJason M, on 24 December 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

Having just notices this thread exists thought it would be right to share my little story. Earlier this December I was running in the evening in local area. Eltham in Melbourne. What was going to be an easy hour run turned into a 12 hour hospital stay when I found myself on the sharp end of a snake.

I wrote a blog post about the experience at:
http://gohard.blogsp...season.html?m=1

There is varied opinion about snakes on here. I have seen many over my years of running and do leave them alone because I don't like aggravating any wild life. Now I have to say even if you're lucky like me to get a 'dry' bite and not have to still with the venom it still sucks getting bitten.

I am just curious as to how people get over paranoia of snakes.  Usually I am not too bad, but after almost standing on a tiger snake on the main yarra trail near dight's falls last monday (and then reading the above story), i have been avoiding all the single track around there.  Which is strange since most of the snakes I have seen at close range have been either on the high use yarra trail or the really wide dirt trails.  In the week running since then, I have been jumping at shadows or butterflies or willy wag tails, and have found it hard to get relaxed and into a rhythm due to the constant thoughts about snakes.

Is this just something I/we need to get used if we want to run anywhere but on roads, or should I just give it time or move to NZ?  Peoples' thoughts and opinions would be appreciated...

Cheers

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 07:28 AM

Not scary but really cute.  Came across a green tree snake the other day up in Yengo NP.  About 4ft long and very skinny.  Boy oh boy it was fast! It was incredible to watch how quickly it climbed a rock face to get out on my way. It's movement seemed so effortless.

Studebaker - for me reducing my paranoia of snakes (I don't ever want to get completely rid of it I think a little bit of paranoia keeps you safe) has been about exposure to them, education and observation.  Learn the facts and then observe their behaviours. When I do come across them I take time to watch and learn rather than just freaking out. Now I'm disappointed if I don't see one out on trail.  

In terms of getting over a particular fright (I had one recently where a snake ended up hooked on my leg - long story) I just walk for a while until my brain calms down.  Rather than beating myself up about shying away from a stick / bird etc I stop look at it and give myself the reassurance that its all ok.  Its helps build my confidence again.

p.s. Moving to NZ doesn't help.  When I lived there for a few years I spent all my time out in the bush thinking surely some snakes had escaped and were lerking in the long grass.  I stepped gingerly while my kiwi friends ploughed on through.  It was highly amusing - for them!

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 07:47 AM

You don't need to be in the bush to see deadly snakes.
Red bellied black snake at cheltenham railway station.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 08:55 AM

View PostStudebaker, on 10 January 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

.... i have been avoiding all the single track around there.  Which is strange since most of the snakes I have seen at close range have been either on the high use yarra trail or the really wide dirt trails.

Tiger Snakes are generally more abundant along water courses where there is a greater supply of food (eg. frogs, lizards). I assume the Yarra trail follows the river?

As for seeing snakes on "really wide trails", it is simply because you can easily spot them from 10 metres away. Invariably, the snakes seen when one is running on a fire trail, are on the actual trail or its cleared margins, as opposed to the bush just off the side. We probably obliviously run past, within a few metres of, just as many snakes on single tracks.

Considering Jason M is only the third runner in Australia in the last three decades to be nailed while running, it just illustrates the reclusive, inoffensive and non-aggressive of even the most reputedly "aggressive" snake species.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 09:02 AM

View PostBrick, on 11 January 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

You don't need to be in the bush to see deadly snakes.
Red bellied black snake at cheltenham railway station.

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Trust the tabloid news to play up the "deadly", "venomous" angle. Could have so easily have been informative and educational, and viewers may actually have learnt something watching the 'news'.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:31 PM

View Posttrailpuddin, on 11 January 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:


In terms of getting over a particular fright (I had one recently where a snake ended up hooked on my leg - long story) I just walk for a while until my brain calms down.  Rather than beating myself up about shying away from a stick / bird etc I stop look at it and give myself the reassurance that its all ok.  Its helps build my confidence again.

p.s. Moving to NZ doesn't help.  When I lived there for a few years I spent all my time out in the bush thinking surely some snakes had escaped and were lerking in the long grass.  I stepped gingerly while my kiwi friends ploughed on through.  It was highly amusing - for them!

The funny thing was that at the time I almost stood on the snake, it didn't bother me, just stopped a few metres past it and it watched me and I watched it, until it decided to move off the path.  It has only been subsequent runs were I have too much time to think about it.


View PostPaul Every, on 11 January 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Tiger Snakes are generally more abundant along water courses where there is a greater supply of food (eg. frogs, lizards). I assume the Yarra trail follows the river?

As for seeing snakes on "really wide trails", it is simply because you can easily spot them from 10 metres away. Invariably, the snakes seen when one is running on a fire trail, are on the actual trail or its cleared margins, as opposed to the bush just off the side. We probably obliviously run past, within a few metres of, just as many snakes on single tracks.

Considering Jason M is only the third runner in Australia in the last three decades to be nailed while running, it just illustrates the reclusive, inoffensive and non-aggressive of even the most reputedly "aggressive" snake species.

Thanks, that last paragraph is the type of info that will help.  And I do realise there are just as many snakes unseen near single track but I think this incident brings it into my mind what happens if I did get bitten on section where only a handful of people go each day.  Maybe just pack a compression bandage for piece of mind..

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:31 PM

Know the feeling, my last run for 2012 in Royal National Park, running back from the Garrawarra car park along the Cliff Track to the Otford lookout. I had stopped to tie up my shoe lace, then just as I started running, saw a red bellied black snake coiled up about a meter from where I was about to put my left foot. Luckily it did'nt move. I don't know whether it was alive, but shit I did'nt hang around to find out. Don't you just love an ending with a bang! wj

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 04:11 PM

View Postwj04, on 11 January 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Know the feeling, my last run for 2012 in Royal National Park, running back from the Garrawarra car park along the Cliff Track to the Otford lookout. I had stopped to tie up my shoe lace, then just as I started running, saw a red bellied black snake coiled up about a meter from where I was about to put my left foot. Luckily it did'nt move. I don't know whether it was alive, but shit I did'nt hang around to find out. Don't you just love an ending with a bang! wj

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