City Bay Fun Run 2011
#51
Posted 18 September 2011 - 04:51 PM
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As I crossed the line (61:28 on my watch) the Tannoy man was saying "You still have a couple of minutes to get in under 75minutes". Obvously unaware that its effectively a time trial rather than a race. Quite alarming for me, and very demotivating/ confusing for those on Jetty Road. Needs to be told its not radio so 'Dead Air' doesn't matter...
My plan to break the hours was clearly not on, but very very happy with running a good race: PB, negative split, completely done in at the finish
Excellent day and thanks to all organisers, volunteers, cheerers.
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#52
Posted 18 September 2011 - 05:49 PM
Itsfunatthebackofthepack, on 18 September 2011 - 04:06 PM, said:
I'm happy. I appear to have gone under 1:15 which will be a PB on the City Bay records. I ran faster last year but there was a timing glich.
ItsFun, I think its time for a name change. With a 1:15 you are so far from the Back of the Pack in this run. You are probably even on the front side of the middle.
I walked back along ANZAC Hwy to pick up the car and there were still masses of people on the road until I reached Marion Rd. That must have been at least 2 hours after the first start.
I agree with Ames that there are a huge number of people who think overestimate their ability. The pink bibs did not work as there were large numbers of yellow bibs pushing forward into that group at just before the start. Maybe its time to adapt the Sydney City2Surf start with timed groups starting from different roads ie fast from Festival Centre, next from North Tce (Railway Station side), then back to festival Centre. If the official start is on King William past the lights all groups will go through the antennas. The split groups allows time qualified groups to be enforced.
I managed about the same time as last year. I'm under the hour so happy. The problem foot held up OK so I'm still a go for McLaren Vale. I'm not prepared to risk Yurrebilla. Good luck for anyone doing that one.
#53
Posted 18 September 2011 - 05:58 PM
Itsfunatthebackofthepack, on 18 September 2011 - 04:06 PM, said:
Coming down Brighton Road one of the officials was about to yell at me for running the wrong side of the cones and then worked out that I was taking the only route available around a massive group of walkers.
Thanks ItsFun, looking forward to seeing your participation in Yurrebilla in a year or two's time!
You must have finished before me. I didn't get to run down Brighton Rd, directed to Gordon St instead. I was caught out by the very late start, something I wasn't expecting. After Morphett Rd I ran along the inside lane of the northern side of Anzac Hwy for a while to avoid the masses. Many runners did that.
My only real gripe is the e-certificate. I have always had a real certificate from the City Bay. These "e" ones (like the one from the marathon) are gauche, like receiving those horrid e-birthday cards.
#54
Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:01 PM
Start was good but could not do my Signature sprint at the finish as it was too crowded to pick up any pace...
Did watch a few collapses on the highway, do wish they all got their breaths back in time to make it.
Good work all.. keep it going...
#55
Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:10 PM
Not happy though with the random walkers in the last 2km, they definitely added to my time
I am not sure if I will do the City to Bay again, as there are just too many walkers for this to be a 'race' in my mind. ItsFun is right, Sydney Marathon is on today too, and I will probably do this one next year I think......
#56
Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:19 PM
stacytoby, on 18 September 2011 - 06:10 PM, said:
Not happy though with the random walkers in the last 2km, they definitely added to my time
I am not sure if I will do the City to Bay again, as there are just too many walkers for this to be a 'race' in my mind. ItsFun is right, Sydney Marathon is on today too, and I will probably do this one next year I think......
I have a similar thought on running this again.SARRC runs are much more enjoyable than these ones for sure, specially for serious runners...
The kenyan must have enjoyed it better than anyone else...He had a killer run...
#57
Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:30 PM
Wedgetail, on 18 September 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:
Thanks for the sentiments Wedgetail. 1:12 last year did not get me into the front half so I doubt that 1:15ish will get me there this year.
crowpower, on 18 September 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:
Yep I want to do it but at the moment I am too slow. I will not do Yurrebilla until I have a less than 5 hour marathon in the record books. That MAY happen in New York in 6 weeks.
stacytoby, on 18 September 2011 - 06:10 PM, said:
I am not sure if I will do the City to Bay again, as there are just too many walkers for this to be a 'race' in my mind. ItsFun is right, Sydney Marathon is on today too, and I will probably do this one next year I think......
Probably the same women who issued some expletives as I elbowed past them with no where else to go. I will be telling the CB office about how the walkers in the wrong place have affected my enjoyment of the event, I encouraage you to do the same. After all getting 40,000 next year will be tough if too many of us head for the Harbour Bridge start.
#58
Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:51 PM
Apart from that the trickle through that choke point meant that it was quite a smooth run...or maybe that was just because I was running 23 minutes slower than last year pace!
#59
Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:24 PM
Agree with you Itsfunatthebackofthepack, the 6km announcer was a bit brutal i though, although he was probably joking he was making some interesting comments about the runners passing the start, not all that positive about how quick/ or slow they supposedly were. I think he was in a way trying to make people feel good about doing the 6km and create some competition with the 12km. I think if i was running the 12km and passing hearing negative comments about how slow i was going it would certainly kill the confidence a bit, need a few positive affirmations to pick you up again.
I turned my ipod on and drowned out the noise, bit of dodging and weaving, but not too much of a hold up, found last year worse doing the 12, the walkers are certainly annoying when they are 4 people wide, 12km is far enough without having to weave through everyone, takes some of that all important energy.
Anyway overall great day, glad i still managed the 6km.
Well done everyone, and the chicks, great turnout!!
#60
Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:47 PM
#61
Posted 18 September 2011 - 10:35 PM
#62
Posted 18 September 2011 - 11:32 PM
Edited by razorsgirl23, 18 September 2011 - 11:37 PM.
#63
Posted 18 September 2011 - 11:36 PM
Ames43, on 18 September 2011 - 04:15 PM, said:
I almost said something, but I hate confrontation of any kind, but particularly with strangers. It was so rude though. Particularly as I was nowhere near the back of the pack. I doubt she could run 12km in under a 7:30 pace. I know it's not a fast time for better runners, but I started out doing 12-13 min kilometres over 5km when I started running and needed a 15 minute rest at the half way point, so I've come a long way. Hmph!
Well done to everyone on their awesome times.
#64
Posted 19 September 2011 - 09:37 AM
Simlin, on 18 September 2011 - 10:35 PM, said:
You are absolutely correct but I do think the organizers need to rethink how they setup the start especially as the numbers grow.
I had a sub-60 bib but it meant nothing. They appeared to make no effort to police who they let into the cage - there were yellow bibs everywhere. Not once did I hear the commentator say anything about sub-60 bibs. There was a huge crowd at the gate entrance and I had to squeeze my way in. If I was much later arriving I probably would not have got in at all.
In the end it didn't make a lot of difference to me, I didn't have too do much weaving. But I am sure there would have been some people with pink bibs who got caught near the back of the pack who would have been frustrated. I know some of the pink bib people around me at the start were a bit annoyed. I didn't let it worry me but it certainly bugged one runner who while having to dodge a quite slow running near Victoria square yelled "sub 60 my arse".
I agree with the comments about the finish line commentary being ordinary. I had to wait for my son so I had to endure a good 30 minutes of it. I couldn't understand why he kept pushing people to finish under a certain time based the clock time, totally ignoring the fact that everyone gets their own time. Except for the very first group of runners, the clock time is meaningless. I just made it through before the "hour" mark and my wife (watching near finish line) commented that I just made it. I then pointed out that I was actually about ninety seconds under the hour.
Apart from that I am pretty happy with the event. The weather was great and I do enjoy participating in an event with so many other people. I am happy with my time (around 58:30), especially given I was out for 4 months earlier this year with injury and still have some lingering issues. I probably hoped to be a minute or two quicker, but my main goal was to stay under the hour and I achieved that.
#65
Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:00 AM
Ditto on the clock time - pretty useless IMO - couldn't even tell the clock time when I crossed the start line!
Edited by dazza73, 19 September 2011 - 10:18 AM.
#66
Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:05 AM
My bigger gripe are all the people who wear earphones and listen to music. That is just flat out dangerous. On at least 5 times I politely asked people in front of me, mainly walkers, to please move aside and because they were wearing earphones they did absolutely nothing. There were also a couple of times some wheelchair athletes were trying to get through and the stupid people wearing earphones were oblivious to their surroundings, blocking the path and frustrating so many people. Why can't they be banned on the basis of safety reasons? I think it has to be the most selfish thing you can as well as just plain dangerous to block out one of your most important senses when there are thousands of people/obstacles around. Unfortunately it is probably going to take a serious injury or even worse, a fatality, before organizers ban these devices.
Very frustrated and annoyed runner.
#67
Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:08 AM
I guess I'll see how civilised Melbournians really are when I had to Melbourne for the marathon in 3 weeks...
I really like Wedgetail's idea
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they could also start the sub 60 runners on one side of king william street, perhaps the eastern lane (was that where the walkers were supposed to start from). Maybe you could only enter through some gates at the bottom end where someone checks the bibs as people went in.
#68
Posted 19 September 2011 - 10:35 AM
scf, on 19 September 2011 - 09:37 AM, said:
I had a very ordinary run, just scraping in under the hour due to an earlier issue out on the course, but the announcer was urging people to sprint when they actually had that 30 seconds + up their sleeve.
Great day for the event, great event on the whole, and I'll be back next year for number 9 and hopefully another crack at my PB.
#69
Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:13 AM
Dont know why they would have pink bibs for the sub 60 cage then not police it. The cage was crawling with orange bibs. I've learned to get there early and get a good spot if you don't want to dodge people.
Yes, the race caller at the end was clueless, but has anyone ever been to a tour down under stage? that bloke is ten times worse...sometimes the ones that most want to get on the mike are the ones should be last on it.
I they are not going to give us a certficate then don't bother with the bag at the end; mine had 2 pamphlets and that was it. No point. I paid my $40; why should my work have to pay for it to be printed on shitty office paper??
Apart from that I think it's a pretty well run event. Well done to Jess Trengrove for her win and I bet the elite Oz runners were all muttering "bugger..there goes the $4000".. when they saw Ruben Kosgei toe the line.
Edited by cakeboy, 19 September 2011 - 11:14 AM.
#70
Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:28 AM
#71
Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:43 AM
Yumigo, on 19 September 2011 - 10:35 AM, said:
I had a very ordinary run, just scraping in under the hour due to an earlier issue out on the course, but the announcer was urging people to sprint when they actually had that 30 seconds + up their sleeve.
Even if the run started right on the hour, for the vast majority of the people the clock time is still totally irreverent. It would have only been the first few hundred people that got going that it would mean anything. I was in the sub-60 cage but they held us back a bit so I didn't cross the start line until a minute or so after the actual start. I did approach the finish line right on the hour mark, yet I really had 1.5 minutes up my sleeve. As someone mentioned, some people didn't get started until 8:30 because of the rush. So was just stupid for the announcer to tell people to sprint to achieve a time for the overwhelming majority of participants.
#72
Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:01 PM
Simlin, on 19 September 2011 - 11:28 AM, said:
I think last year they did police it, or at least did a better job. My guess is that this year the funnel got rushed and too many people got through and they simply could not police it.
I don't know the answer but I think they need to do something. The crush at the funnel has to be something they don't really want. They might need to consider making some of the groups a bit smaller (e.g. this years yellow) and making it so that your timing chip doesn't activate if you start before your group is supposed to start?
And I don't fully understand why so many people push to the front. Once in the cage I got my spot and waited, yet people were continuously streaming past to get as far ahead as possible. Just before the start they pulled a line across just in front of me, to help stagger the start a bit I guess. A few guys in front of me quickly jumped under it to get in the first group. Why? They started at the end of the first group and were probably just at a fast walk as they crossed the start line. We were held about 30 seconds and as I was at the front of this group, had a very clear start. It would have been a much better place to start from and I probably crossed the start line less than 10 seconds after they did.
#73
Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:16 PM
I don't understand the people who don't self seed properly and end up in faster groups. What's the point? I remember a story from on here in the GC marathon thread about two old ladies who were in the pack at completely the wrong spot. They were walking from memory just after the start line. One guy on here saw the seas parting in front of him just in time to jump up onto the footpath, but didn't make it, rolled his ankle on the kerb and had to run the remainder of the full marathon with a sprained ankle. I personally would have killed them.
Edited by razorsgirl23, 19 September 2011 - 12:16 PM.
#74
Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:20 PM
Of course, these sorts of events usually stipulate that if you intend to run some of the way you must enter as a runner, so that would be their "out". Hmm, perhaps I could dig out some past results and get a handle on the problem and see if it got worse this year.
It really is time they got tough on these gatecrashers. And what on earth is a bed doing in the middle of the field? In the old days the army used to push a heavy cannon down Anzac Highway, but it wasn't dangerous. Of course no-one was running with earphones, telephones or computers back then!
#75
Posted 19 September 2011 - 03:20 PM
crowpower, on 19 September 2011 - 01:20 PM, said:
Of course, these sorts of events usually stipulate that if you intend to run some of the way you must enter as a runner, so that would be their "out". Hmm, perhaps I could dig out some past results and get a handle on the problem and see if it got worse this year.
It really is time they got tough on these gatecrashers. And what on earth is a bed doing in the middle of the field? In the old days the army used to push a heavy cannon down Anzac Highway, but it wasn't dangerous. Of course no-one was running with earphones, telephones or computers back then!
I had a quick look at last years results. The first problem is what is a walk-like time? Of the 11,242 12KM runners, around 1,000 took more than 1:40, 550 took more than 1:50, 250 took more than 2:00 and less than 50 took more than 2:30. These people may really be that slow, may have had an injury or simply walked to walk with friends.
You really need to know when they started to know how many people did the wrong thing and of course the results don't tell us that.
I doubt the city-bay office would issue please-explains, but it would be nice if they addressed the issue next year.
Interestingly there a quite a few 12KM walkers putting in very respectable times. Though I don't think these are the walkers we have an issue with.
#76
Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:21 PM
I didn't know exactly what to expect yesterday since I have been sick on and off since I was hospitalised with pneumonia in June. I think this was largely self induced and when I review my training log it becomes clear that I was being a little silly prior to getting really sick (I think I got so sick because I was doing too much).
Its funny but I think I have fallen victim to being over motivated this year and trying for too much. I think I have learnt some useful training lessons in that I can probably do a lot more from a lot less.
Unfortunately this year I was about three minutes slower coming in at a time of around 47 min.
#77
Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:35 PM
Sending you all good recovery vibes from Melbourne!
#78
Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:46 PM
Eirelass, on 19 September 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:
Sending you all good recovery vibes from Melbourne!
Like most runs organised in association with newspapers the results do not go on the website until they have a chance to sell the printed version.
I think the CityBay results are due to be in a liftout section of The Advertiser tomorrow 20/9/11. My guess would be on the website late morning.
#79
Posted 19 September 2011 - 05:08 PM
scf, on 19 September 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:
You really need to know when they started to know how many people did the wrong thing and of course the results don't tell us that.
I doubt the city-bay office would issue please-explains, but it would be nice if they addressed the issue next year.
Interestingly there a quite a few 12KM walkers putting in very respectable times. Though I don't think these are the walkers we have an issue with.
You're right scf, they won't issue them and anyway it is more a policing issue come to think of it.
Normal walking pace is about 5km/hr, so slower than 2 hrs 30 minutes would be a good place to start looking.
I'm putting together a spreadsheet of results from most years. Some interesting patterns are emerging.
#80
Posted 19 September 2011 - 06:55 PM
Wedgetail, on 19 September 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:
I think the CityBay results are due to be in a liftout section of The Advertiser tomorrow 20/9/11. My guess would be on the website late morning.
Hee hee, I half expected that! Doesn't surprise me!
#81
Posted 19 September 2011 - 09:27 PM
crowpower, on 19 September 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:
You are quite right crowpower, the walkers that caused me most distress could not have come from the Festival Theatre, they were either 6 km entrants or 3 km entrants who are guilty of a massive false start. The people who were walking soon after the 12 km start were well behaved and caused few problems.
#82
Posted 19 September 2011 - 09:40 PM
Wedgetail, on 19 September 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:
I think the CityBay results are due to be in a liftout section of The Advertiser tomorrow 20/9/11. My guess would be on the website late morning.
Its a shame... No results no pictures, no doubt why we love SARRC.....
#83
Posted 20 September 2011 - 09:18 AM
Can't find my name in the paper results.
Don't tell me I've run an 8 minute PB and it hasn't been recorded!
Waiting patiently for the online results now...
#84
Posted 20 September 2011 - 09:28 AM
crowpower, on 19 September 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:
I've always manged to get through the 6km mark before they start, but I've heard it can be mayhem for the 12km runners who don't make it. Perhaps this also explains why so many 12km runners are in a such a rush to start and why they self seed so poorly.
Perhaps they need to keep the 6km people in the city bound side of Anzac Highway all the way to Glenelg?
#85
Posted 20 September 2011 - 09:29 AM
Ames43, on 20 September 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:
Can't find my name in the paper results.
Don't tell me I've run an 8 minute PB and it hasn't been recorded!
Waiting patiently for the online results now...
#86
Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:02 AM
I was happy to the pull a City to Bay PB (although 1 min too slow to get sub 60), but reckon that is all you can compare it with rather than try to compare with other 12km runs as the circumstrances would be hugely different.
I love the FUN RUN, the atmosphere, the entertainment, the volunteers and my fellow runners and they always over ride the minor negatives of walkers on KW Rd, hearing the gun go off as you pass the 6km start and just getting in before 'the 75 minute mark?'.
Will definately be back to crack the hour.
Itsfun, Crowpower and the like all the best with your long runs coming up, but what runs are on other peoples agenda in the near future, with this warm weather might be tri time?
#87
Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:39 AM
melsydade, on 20 September 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:
I did the same, then went and looked through the 54 minute times (where I thought I finished), then the 55, then the 56. Starting to get worried looked through the 53 times and there it was... absolutely stoked! First City-Bay and my second 12km other than the Athelete's Foot 12km a few weeks ago.
#88
Posted 20 September 2011 - 12:39 PM
I found my time - 55.07 - looks like the DAG didn't get picked up at the start. it took me about 3 minutes to cross, and when I finished there was 55:xx dispalying on the clock. I've emailed them my garmin file and they're going to look into it.
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It sure is Turnip! I can't wait for tri season. Possibily on the agenda for me for the remainder of the year:
- Melbourne Marathon
- Barossa Duathlon
- Glenelg and Black Hill Challenge events (Dazza you'll love that one, it's a 12km trail, tons of fun!)
- Franklin Island tri and the half at Murray Man (or the Blue Lake Fun Run)
- Gatti tri series
- Fantatics half marathon on Christmas morning (come on Dazza, you know you want to!)
Hope to keep the weekly kms up around 75 after I recover from Melbourne until the new year, then it's time to start ramping up for Gold Coast again.
#89
Posted 20 September 2011 - 12:59 PM
Eirelass, on 19 September 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:
Sending you all good recovery vibes from Melbourne!
http://adelaideadver...per/viewer.aspx
You can have a free trial for a day of the online version. I just used it and it worked fine.
My official time is 1:29:46, so I'm ecstatic that I cracked 90 minutes. My boyfriend's name is nowhere to be found though (used the search function online for both our names - mine came up, his didn't). Either there is a typo in the results (and he has no idea what time he got, so can't look for it that way), a problem with his DAG, or he caught the tram.
#90
Posted 20 September 2011 - 02:07 PM
#91
Posted 20 September 2011 - 04:54 PM
Out of the 5 people I know that entered 4 of them had the wrong time against their name, including myself??
I ran 45.52 and my time is in the paper as 1.01 something??? the organisers are adiment that it was me that ran 1.01.... hmmn.
Itll be interesting to see if the online results are changed and my friends times are included?
#92
Posted 20 September 2011 - 05:27 PM
Anyway, was a fun first running event for myself and my partner.
Cheers
#93
Posted 20 September 2011 - 08:29 PM
WHAT THE ?????
Must be the slowest results ever. Maybe the problems with the dag timing system are greater than expected
#94
Posted 20 September 2011 - 09:31 PM
I've done my spreadsheet and with the help of the online results and my own laying around I have every year since 1980, except 1989.
A brief history:
1973-1979: Started at the Town Hall. Everyone cut across Victoria Square even though they were not supposed to. Distance was 11.3 km.
1980-1996: Distance extended to "12 km" but was actually 11.88 km. Started in North Tce near railway station for a few years then moved to its present location.
1997-2011: Distance exactly 12 km.
The event has finished at various places: Moseley Square, Colley Reserve, Glenelg Oval, Moseley Square again and now Colley Terrace.
It has always been the third Sunday of September except 2000 when it was on 8 October because of the Sydney Olympics.
It was purely an 11/12 km running event until 1992 when a 12 km walk category was introduced. In 2002 the 6km "Half City-Bay" started, for runners only and the following year it had a separate walking category. Wheelchairs were not identified separately in the results until 1993. From 1993-98 rollerbladers also took part.
These stats are for the 12km run only for the period 1980-2011:
Median time (50% finished) has hovered around 60 minutes until 1999 and after that it climbed to 65 minutes until 2005. The slowest median was in 2011, at 69:27. Fastest median time was 58:10 in 1993.
Number to break 50 minutes in 2011 was 495, the highest since 1993 when 551 did it. Highest ever was 1218 in 1983.
Under 1 hour: In 2011, 3339 did it, the highest since 1986 when it was 3473. In 1983, 4682 finished in this time.
The early peak year was 1983, with 9117 finishers. It then declined to a low of 3222 in 1994 before rising steadily to 5163 by 2004. From 2005-07 it was in the 7000s, and then jumped to 10000+ in 2008 and is now at 13388.
At the start they said that they were looking for 40000 entrants all up next year, the 40th event. That will mean probably 15000+ 12km runners.
In the early 1980s the emphasis was all about running only, hence the high numbers of "fast" finishers. The 90th percentile (90% finished) was around 80 minutes until 1990 when it jumped to the mid 90s. After the walking category was introduced in 1992 it went down to the mid 70s until 2001 when it jumped up to the 90 minute level again. In 2011 it reached 100:47, which indicates that many more people are walk-jogging the course. There are now over 450 12km runners slower than 2 hours compared to 118 in 2004.
#95
Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:02 PM
I tend to agree with the posts that say next year more organisation is needed. Whilst I agree it is a fun run, making it fun also means having it organised. Surely if it is done interstate it can't be too hard.
#96
Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:43 PM
Ames43, on 20 September 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:
Yer.... proly not.... seriously thinking about what next though. I was thinking of riding the Bupa Challenge during next year's Tour Down Under but I'd need to look at a decent road bike and start learning to climb! Very keen to try a HM or two, most likely next year. And yes, sub-50 City-Bay definitely on the plans!
#97
Posted 21 September 2011 - 07:52 AM
Pollysz, on 20 September 2011 - 11:02 PM, said:
I had a similar experience last year. My on line time is still the one they recorded using the gun start depite the fact that I provided proof of my claim.
#98
Posted 21 September 2011 - 08:52 AM
So if you email the City-Bay they can search for your name in their database and it shows up the recorded start time and finish time...therefore it is quite easy for them to confirm if your DAG didn't record at the start.
#99
Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:48 AM
Wedgetail, on 20 September 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:
WHAT THE ?????
Must be the slowest results ever. Maybe the problems with the dag timing system are greater than expected
No, they just wanted to get the times in ink before they commit them to electrons...
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:51 AM














