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Posted 04 January 2006 - 01:11 PM

Ah bugger. It seems that they've gone and released the new <A HREF="http://www.garmin.co...>Forerunner</A> series. They include the <A HREF="http://www.garmin.co...er205/">205</A> and the <A HREF="http://www.garmin.co...r305/">305</A>. The 305 seems to be in speedy red whilst the 205 is a more stylish blue colour. You can read all about them including price which seems to be around US$270 (205) and US$380 (305). Note that is Garmin website pricing, retailers will probably be cheaper.

The bad part is how do I now justify the upgrade? I obviously need to get the 305, just not sure why.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 01:58 PM

The website says the aerial goes around the wrist band now, which allegedly gives better reception to GPS signals and faster initial pick up.  You clearly need better reception under trees and in the city, FPT, so it's essential you invest in this new technology.

Plus it's red, so you're bound to run faster.

Actually, having stood in St Leonards for ages in the cold rain waiting for a GPS lock, I could probably justify it myself.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 02:35 PM

I love it (for the better reception of course).

Gash, can you let Genene know what would make a great 30th please?  :)

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 02:40 PM

Would someone please tell Mr Jen_runs that it would make a fabulous engagement present..   ;)

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 02:55 PM

Latest I read is that Garmin have set a minimum sell price on these things for the retailers. The cheapest they'll be is US$250 (205) and US$350 (305), so according to xe.com that will be $338 and $472.

Vat_man, I see you fixed up the order of my F's P's and T's.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:12 PM

The only problem I have with the 305 is justifying the purchase to my wife  :P

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:24 PM

quote:


Originally posted by harviekrumpet:
The only problem I have with the 305 is justifying the purchase to my wife   :P  

Simple, just buy her something AT LEAST as expensive as the 305.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:30 PM

If only the new prices were as "sleek" as the new designs... The price of the 205 seems particulary high(69% higher) compared with the 201 without offering anything more than better reception and "sleek" design. If car manufactures similarly raised their prices with every new update - they would wipe out their market in no time!

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:30 PM

I bought the the 301 last year, so i think I will have to wait a few years    :angry:

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:49 PM

Yeap, I'll upgrade mine for sure !

I lost the 301's HR transmitter and had problems with the up/down button. The wrist band also stinks like hell     <_<    

Recently bought Polar s625x from ebay and re-sold it after 2 weeks as I got frustated with calibrating the foot pod      :angry:     .

How to justify upgrading to 305? Easy...

301 Purchase price: A$330 (Jan'05)

Races in 2005= 21
Cost per race: $16

Mileage in 2005: 3580km
Cost per km: $0.09 per km (cheaper than petrol)

I can write-off the investment in 301 easy, it's fully depreciated IMO. You can also recoup a bit of salvage value by selling it 2ndhand at ebay.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 06:22 PM

The xo5 series do look nice. I don't use a heart rate monitor, so the 205 is more appealing.

How many days before Christmas??

The Forerunner 201 has been very kind to me; though I do get annoyed with dropouts in the bush. I recall running just about the whole of the 6FT Black Range without a reading.

If the 205 can overcome and deliver on that, then I promise I will be very well behaved this year, so Santa will not forget me    ;)

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 06:40 PM

I've only had my 301 for 3 months - who wants to buy.

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 09:53 PM

Steve, I was reading your blog about the hrm spikes with the Garmin 301. I had the same problem I changed the battery it made a world of difference.

What have you got to loose - apart from $3.00?

HK

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 10:15 PM

Does anyone know if anyone actually has any 305's in stock yet???
Can't wait to get my hands on one.......

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 10:15 PM

Wow, they look spanky. Kinda glad i waited for the update rather than going for the 301.

Now to find the dosh...

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 10:25 PM

Hmmmm very nice. Apparently they are being previewed at some gadget expo in the US this week and aren't yet available to purchase....so plenty of time to save up for one.   B)

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by go daddy:
Does anyone know if anyone actually has any 305's in stock yet???
Can't wait to get my hands on one.......

From the media release both models are expected to be available (in the US presumably) in February.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:23 PM

The 305 looks like a sexy watch rather than a cardboard box. noice. Might have to buy it for the missus to use   ;)

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:41 PM

GSC 10 looks very usefull gadget . Hope it will soon become available something like that with any simple cycle computer.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:43 PM

Being a techie nerd I just checked out some of the technical details of the SiRF chipset used in this latest Garmin series, and it appears that we can expect MUCH faster aquisition times, and improved sensitivity. This should mean fewer drop-outs, and a faster re-aquisition of lock if the unit does drop-out.

Thank the mobile network operators for this as the chips used in this Garmin series were designed primarily for location-based services in mobile phones. They quote an "assisted" aquisition time of 1 second in mobile phone applications. This means when the GSM network gives a rough time & position update to help GPS aquire. In the forerunner aquisition will be a bit slower, but maybe not much!

Now I am feeling very smug that I didn't upgrade to the 301!   :D   Only concern is will that strap be too big for my skinny wrists?

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 03:23 PM

I never bought the forerunner because of its complete lack of aesthetics.  I didn't want to run around with a laptop attached to my arm.

But now that it looks sexy...woohoo!  I'll start saving.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 03:51 PM

Fats,

As well as a techie nerd I guess you're a latin scholar too?  ;)  

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The translation for the non latin speakers amongst us is - The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived!

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:01 PM

Hi Team,

The ebay auction for my Forerunner 301 ended.  I got $300 for it.  Makes the pain of an upgrade to the 305 a bit easier to handle.

A welcome improvement is the softer chest strap. I can count the long races that I did in 2005 by counting the scars on my back where the chest strap attached. The course feature (and graphics) looks good too.

Just sent an email to our friends at  Als Gift Shoppe  to see when they'll get stock and how much.  Will post back here when I get a response.  Brendan

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:21 PM

It seems that the "street price" will be $350 US for the 305:

Amazon  have them listed, although they are not available for shipping yet.
List Price: $376.99
Price:     $349.99

This mob have them for $350 US also - they don't do international shipments however.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:01 PM

It's my 50th this year and the 305 has replaced the 301 at the top of the present list  :)  .

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by FakePlasticTrees:   Latest I read is that Garmin have set a minimum sell price on these things for the retailers.

In Australia that would be against the law.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Virtual:
  

quote:


Originally posted by FakePlasticTrees:   Latest I read is that Garmin have set a minimum sell price on these things for the retailers.

In Australia that would be against the law.

You might think so, but you might want to talk to Paul from Paul's Warehouse fame and ask him how his lawsuit against Nike went.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 01:05 PM

I checked the website ..... I want one.  I'm starting to prepare a business case for the household budget forum later in the year.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 01:45 PM

quote:


Originally posted by Morley:
It's my 50th this year and the 305 has replaced the 301 at the top of the present list   :)   .

Morley, you can buy my 301, you know it works, and I'll trial the 305.     :)    :)    :)

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 01:50 PM

quote:


Originally posted by harviekrumpet:
Steve, I was reading your blog about the hrm spikes with the Garmin 301. I had the same problem I changed the battery it made a world of difference.

What have you got to loose - apart from $3.00?

HK

HK, sorry I missed your post earlier, just came across it now......Good point.   I think the spikes and mis-readings were due to the fact of not wearing the strap tight enough.   Also now using conductive gel.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:22 PM

Got this info from one of the retaler in the US:

Garmin  International issued a marketing memo to all authorized Garmin dealers and distributors laying down the terms and conditions of the Minimum Price Policy (MRP). In essence, the MRP sets a minimum selling price to end-users or consumers for products covered by the MRP. Any authorized dealer or distributor found selling these products below the MRP price will be subject to punitive action as laid out in the memorandum.


MRP is just one way of identifying and exposing companies that masquerade as dealers and prey on unsuspecting clients by offering products that are either recycled from the grey market or are otherwise not in the original condition as what was shipped from Garmin. With MRP, a vendor that sells below the MRP price is a clear indication that said vendor is not an authorized dealer and will NOT receive any shipment of products covered by MRP.

MRP also re-emphasizes that no Authorized Garmin dealer is allowed to sell any Garmin products through Online Auctions such as eBay.
"Garmin does not have any authorized dealers that sell new products directly on online auction sites. Any purchases made through online auction sites are on a "buyer beware" basis. A copy of the original sales receipt is required as the proof of purchase for warranty repairs. Online auction confirmations are not accepted for warranty verification and Garmin will not replace any missing components from any package purchased through an online auction. "

MRP does not cover transactions to dealers and resellers. As part of this request for information, we are providing you the MRP price for the product requested. You are allowed to purchase 1 unit of each item below at dealer price. This unit is for demonstration or personal use only and cannat be resold for profit below MRP price.


I've asked a few retailers for pricing and all of 'em are quoting US$349.99.

Does anyone know whether this value (roughly A$460) will attract import/custom tax?

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 06:08 PM

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Importing goods
All goods imported into Australia must be cleared by Customs. Importers are responsible
for obtaining a formal Customs clearance for goods above set value limits (currently $250
for goods imported by sea and air cargo and $1000 for goods imported through the postal
system
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From Here and more
here


edit: What retails are you look at? I am keen to get one as soon as they are aviliable in feburary.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 07:26 PM

Sounds like it will not attract additional tax.

Vurt - I've contacted around 6-8 retailers and most of them do not ship outside the US, except these two:

Al Gift Shoppe: pricing finalized this week

tvnav.com: I bought my F301 from them at cheap price (US$250 incl. delivery) when it was launched, howver, the after sales service wasn't great. Payment must be made by money order as they don't accept international credit cards. They are quoting US$349.99.

I will put my order at the end of this week or early next week. It is believed that Garmin will ship the products to retailers in about 2 weeks time.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:32 PM

Any idea of what the shipping costs are from al's?

That will be the killer. Most ebay sellers where charging $40 to $60 US for shipping.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:03 AM

According to email from Al, it's US$27.

If you read my earlier post, Garmin doesn't authorize sales via ebay & won't honour the warranty.

Just remember a legit F305 costs US$350, shipping costs US$27, but PBs are priceless    ;)

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:35 AM

I have bought 3 from Als and have ordered my 305 from him as well. Great service (before, during, and after sales) and no doubt the best price.   :)

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:44 AM

This may be a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway...
Is the Forerunner watches available from retail stores in Australia at all, or is it only available from the US ??   :unsure:

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 02:18 AM

Eventually - but they have just been released in USA.
Don't buy from anywhere that won't replace a defective/problem unit no questions asked.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 10:30 AM

they are available at

anaconda stores - bayswater victoria

great range of trail running gear

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:07 PM

Yes, they are available locally, but the local price for both Timex and Garmin have been at least double the landed cost from the US.  Whilst I am keen to support local retailers and the Australian economy, I cannot justify paying double locally when the product and service has been identical from OS.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:58 PM

I got my Forerunner 201 from  CH Smith in Collingwood.

Walk in and buy over the counter, very helpful staff.

Have had no problems with my Forerunner since purchasing it August 2004, but it is always nice to know you can readily return it and have it replaced and/or serviced locally if something does go wrong.

I am sure that they and other Australian suppliers will be stocking the X05 later this year.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 02:26 PM

Don't forget Garmin have a worldwide warranty. Their represenatives here in   Australia do recognise the warranty (obviously) and do provide the service that one would expect if it breaksdown.

NB Garmin wont honour a warranty for a product bought from EBAY or any other online auction.

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 12:29 AM

Another Question...
There is a couple of 3rd party products mentioned in the forerunner 301/305 specifications to analyse the data and create training programs.
They are  Motionbased.com  and  trainingpeaks.com
Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with these applications ?

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 12:36 AM

I know quite a few of us (even those poor plebites such as myself with the 201) use motion based quite a lot.  Sport tracks is another useful tool.

Haven't actually tried training peaks before - thanks for the heads up.  I'm going to go have a look now  :)

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 10:37 AM

Just ordered my 305 from  www.ProSportWatches.com(formerly known as Al's Gift Shop).  US$301 inc delivery.  

They expect delivery from Garmin later this week, so here by the end of the month (fingers crossed).

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 03:21 PM

Just ordered one from Al as well. His price is the best in the market @ $310 incl. shipping. Nav.com quoted $350 incl. shipping.

My 301 can now rest in peace  :)

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 03:27 PM

But I just clicked on the link and it says USD $350?

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 03:30 PM

X,
Garmin won't allow discounting below $350, however there is nothing in the rules about a  discount on the entire order.  Al's discounts the order by $75.  When you click through to the order form it adds (subtacts?) the discount.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 03:56 PM

Geez Action, that's twenty dollars more than I paid for the 301 twelve months ago!!

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 05:20 PM

I am unsure of site.

edit: they have the same address as al's. It sounds like you guys have used al's before with no dramas ?