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[tim]

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Sometimes the man is a tool and should be made aware of that fact.

[Colin]

From Rudulf:

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during the 1 race, have a lunch, breaky, dinner. midnight snack during 1 race, have a quickie during the race

I've done many long bush walks, do they qualify as ultra's. You can even sit around the fire during them.

From FPT:

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Sometimes the man is a tool and should be made aware of that fact.

Could be true, but of course one could do that in person if game enough, perhaps in a pub--but its easier on a forum.

Even in a face to face debate though, once you cannot argue the opinion and criticise the opinion maker you have lost the debate, or just don't have the ability to debate.

cheers

Edited by Colin, 14 July 2006 - 09:55 AM.

[MPHinLondon]

I think you're lucky it only got moved here and not to the nether region. It's a pathetic attempt to rile people up, running is hardly rock and roll is it, if you're that bored, book yourself a salsa class, maybe moving your hips next to some latin beauty would soothe the beast within.



And DrJH, for such a slim fellow, that sounds an awful lot like you want your cake and eat it.



I heard a great line at a Comedy club last week, this tool had been firing up all night, and after a while the comedian said to the bloke “Have you got a blueprint for your brain, because I’m building a f*ckwit” I think of that a lot these days.

[undercover brother]

definately the lamest thread

[tim]

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Even in a face to face debate though, once you cannot argue the opinion and criticise the opinion maker you have lost the debate, or just don't have the ability to debate.

there are rules?

next you will be telling me there is a greater purpose to life.

[Spud]

For those spritley sprinty types, as has been mentioned on this thread, why not press the new topic button and go play there?

Surely this running website is about all distances with plenty of variety for all tastes? I enjoy watching/reading about anything from 100m to 100miles and beyond and find it a tad disappointing reading some of the one eyed comments here, and from runners I least expected?

[Ultraphil]

Tim said "next you will be telling me there is a greater purpose to life."


To die?

[tim]

Ultraphil, on Jul 14 2006, 10:12 AM, said:

Tim said "next you will be telling me there is a greater purpose to life."


To die?

Phil!

it is to run  

[plu]

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Whats going on! I started this topic in the main page and I get pushed in the community Site! Coolrunnings you are lame. How many people have posted over the past 24hrs? I believe this need to be moved back to the main topics.

It is interesting that some threads stay longer in the community thread than they do in the one above the line.  Ever since last night when I looked  at this thread it has been at the top of the Communty Chatter thread.  It would be scrolling down if it was above the line.


Cheers  Plu

[Colin]

Spud, on Jul 14 2006, 10:11 AM, said:

For those spritley sprinty types, as has been mentioned on this thread, why not press the new topic button and go play there?

Surely this running website is about all distances with plenty of variety for all tastes? I enjoy watching/reading about anything from 100m to 100miles and beyond and find it a tad disappointing reading some of the one eyed comments here, and from runners I least expected?

Spud, you must admit that given the amount of ultra races and the number of participants in the event and in the sport in total, the threads seem to get flooded with ultra posts, such that the spritely sprinty types maybe feel left out.

....but, before taking me to task, I suppose in defence its not about the relative merits of the events, but rather that more can be said, and many feel qualified to comment, plus it may be perpetuated by the 'must have' reports that follow such events.

For example, if some Joe Blow were to even stroll casually between Sydney and Canberra, with nothing but a camelbak a phone and some money, he could write a report on it, and he will then be asked by many 'why he did it', 'how he did it' , 'how many shoes, blisters , muesli bars' etc etc, because many can relate to it more than they can with an event that happens many times a year and is much shorter and not done unless you specialise in it--like the 800m.

Although most of the questions and answers are very trivial and mundane.

Its just an exaggerated example, but I can see why that irritates the track people.

cheers

Edited by Colin, 14 July 2006 - 10:46 AM.

[MPHinLondon]

Colin, you have your peace on earth and good will to all men hat on today don't you?

I would love to read with regular occurrence track dudes posting about their training, racing, the works, but just because they don't I don't think the one or two cranky gets should have a go at the Ultra threads. As you know it's easier to criticise than contribute, but some feel happier doing that.


Amen

Edited by MPH, 14 July 2006 - 11:02 AM.

[Jogger]

coyniehnere, on Jul 14 2006, 09:42 AM, said:

Whats going on! I started this topic in the main page and I get pushed in the community Site! Coolrunnings you are lame. How many people have posted over the past 24hrs? I believe this need to be moved back to the main topics.

coyniehnere- read my previous post - the thread is HERE because it is about CoolRunning, so it belongs in the About Coolrunning section. If it was about training it would be in the f*ing training section.

[Colin]

MPH, on Jul 14 2006, 11:01 AM, said:

Colin, you have your peace on earth and good will to all men hat on today don't you?

Don't get that , sorry--please explain? (questionmarked as in PH's way)

[Ultraphil]

Tim - Excellant reply about the purpose of life! You have me there!  

[coyniehnere]

KevinTiller, on Jul 13 2006, 07:04 PM, said:

coyniehnere, on Jul 14 2006, 09:42 AM, said:

Whats going on! I started this topic in the main page and I get pushed in the community Site! Coolrunnings you are lame. How many people have posted over the past 24hrs? I believe this need to be moved back to the main topics.

coyniehnere- read my previous post - the thread is HERE because it is about CoolRunning, so it belongs in the About Coolrunning section. If it was about training it would be in the f*ing training section.

Sorry Kevin, but good work for including that "F" Bomb in your post! Good to see you didn't come back with some lame respone. Agree with your comments.

[MPHinLondon]

I knew my vernacular required a local tongue at times, but surely you know this means it sounds like you're in a good/fair/happy mood?  

Edited by MPH, 14 July 2006 - 11:24 AM.

[Colin]

I was more confused by the 'today' bit. I am in pretty much the same mood every day.

One shouldn't confuse my views on say , the promotion and priorities of my local council for a marathon, or my defence of stating my views on coaching without being vilified, as being signs of general unhappiness, or general disagreement--as someone just recently posted elsewhere.

Peace as always, bro

Edited by Colin, 14 July 2006 - 11:30 AM.

[vat]

Colin, on Jul 14 2006, 11:29 AM, said:

One shouldn't confuse my views on say , the promotion and priorities of my local council for a marathon, or my defence of stating my views on coaching without being vilified, as being signs of general unhappiness, or general disagreement--as someone just recently posted elsewhere.

Awwww, poor Cowin have an owie!  

[Rudolf]

tim, on Jul 14 2006, 10:26 AM, said:

Ultraphil, on Jul 14 2006, 10:12 AM, said:

Tim said "next you will be telling me there is a greater purpose to life."


To die?

Phil!

it is to run  

does not have to be one or the other.

the ultimate goal can be to die on the run

[undercover brother]

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colin said...
Spud, you must admit that given the amount of ultra races and the number of participants in the event and in the sport in total, the threads seem to get flooded with ultra posts, such that the spritely sprinty types maybe feel left out.

possible reasons why the spritely spinters don't post as much...
1. they are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror
2. they are too busy training (this cant be true!)
3. they cant read
4. they cant write
5. they actually have a job
6. they are too busy looking at the sunset .... 10 hours AFTER their event finished
7. they are too busy looking at their training partner in the mirror
8. they dont know how to switch the computer thingy on

and by the way how do u write a report on a 100m race anyway...
i looked at myself in the mirror.
i warmed up.
i started.
i finished.
i pranced around the track.
i looked at myself in the mirror.

Edited by undercover brother, 14 July 2006 - 12:38 PM.

[Stu Mac]

Opinions re lame, well it got me reading, so thats all that really matters....to me and I even got a few laughs along the way.

All the regulars got involved and past on some valuable info and KT even swore...    

And who really cares what thread it appears in, Community or not, I use the daily active page and it appears there.

Gee 2 sh^t entries in the one topic by myself  

[DrJH]

Undercover Brother, I always thought distance raced was inversely proportional to time spent in front of the mirror.

I think the intellect thing probably has more of a 'bell' distribution, peaking at about 5 or 10k.

[Colin]

vat, on Jul 14 2006, 12:31 PM, said:

Awwww, poor Cowin have an owie!  

Even less idea of what this means. Must be a gen x or y thing.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Whats all of this "sprinty track type" rubbish? So anyone racing under 50km is now a sprinter? Honestly how many people on the forum regularly train and compete under 800m? I wouldnt imagine many, although still we have to endure this woeful straw-man argument regarding '100m reports' and 'posers'.

I think the 'hardcore Ultra' contingent dont realise that the average competitive 800m-21.1km runner covers anywhere between 80km-200km weekly (70-80% off the track) which is as much if not MORE than that run by those higher beings (ultra-runners). If you think that elite middle-distance runners spend their lives 'sprinting' around the track then you honestly have no idea. These guys spend hours each day cranking out solid mileage day-in-day-out, generally running twice a day everyday.

Undercover Brother:

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possible reasons why the spritely spinters don't post as much...
1. they are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror
2. they are too busy training (this cant be true!)
3. they cant read
4. they cant write
5. they actually have a job
6. they are too busy looking at the sunset .... 10 hours AFTER their event finished
7. they are too busy looking at their training partner in the mirror
8. they dont know how to switch the computer thingy on

and by the way how do u write a report on a 100m race anyway...
i looked at myself in the mirror.
i warmed up.
i started.
i finished.
i pranced around the track.
i looked at myself in the mirror.

Thanks for that, it just solidified my opinion that you are totally misled regarding those that compete outside the prestigious realm of ultras. Here's my response to your eight reasons why 'spritely sprinters' dont post as much as heavely ultra runners.
1. they are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror Vain? I'd say constantly posting your own ultra pursuits is a self-serving form of vanity
2.they are too busy training (this cant be true!) Evidence of your ignorance. The majority of successful middle distance runners are regularly churning out 160km (100mi) weekly. Are you?
3. they cant read Or they choose not to read drivel.
4. they cant write They are too busy actually running as opposed to maintaining status as a professional keyboard-warrior.
5. they actually have a job I know, we're all a bunch of capitalist scum.
6. they are too busy looking at the sunset...10 hours AFTER the event Our events  require intense physical exertion which cannot be maintained unlike a more relaxed ultra pace.
7. they are too busy looking at their training partner in the mirror Riiight...maybe we have sexy training partners, I really dont know what you're getting at.
8. They dont know how to switch the computer thingy on I guess you'd have to be one of those MENSA-affiliated ultra-gods to bootup a PC.

Still, I must thank you as your posting really did liven up the forum with all it's Garmin-inspired dross.

[miners]

unless I missed a winky smiley somewhere down the line, I think someone's taking this thread a little too seriously  

[run to the hills]

coyniehnere, on Jul 13 2006, 07:21 PM, said:

Sorry Kevin, but good work for including that "F" Bomb in your post! Good to see you didn't come back with some lame respone. Agree with your comments.

Speaking of the F bomb, aren't you addressing that in your psoas pain thread coyniehnere?

[Rudolf]

DrJH,
You left incriminating evidence on the lamest thread ever invented - ultrarunning history
so what is it : preaching the gatorade and drinking the red bull ?

[homo]

run to the hills, on Jul 14 2006, 03:42 PM, said:

Speaking of the F bomb, aren't you addressing that in your psoas pain thread coyniehnere?

As in "bombed out in that department"?  

[Freddycoleman]

undercover brother, on Jul 14 2006, 12:36 PM, said:

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colin said...
Spud, you must admit that given the amount of ultra races and the number of participants in the event and in the sport in total, the threads seem to get flooded with ultra posts, such that the spritely sprinty types maybe feel left out.

possible reasons why the spritely spinters don't post as much...
1. they are too busy looking at themselves in the mirror
2. they are too busy training (this cant be true!)
3. they cant read
4. they cant write
5. they actually have a job
6. they are too busy looking at the sunset .... 10 hours AFTER their event finished
7. they are too busy looking at their training partner in the mirror
8. they dont know how to switch the computer thingy on

and by the way how do u write a report on a 100m race anyway...
i looked at myself in the mirror.
i warmed up.
i started.
i finished.
i pranced around the track.
i looked at myself in the mirror.

Trackchat

all the posters on this forum are ppl who compete on track with the exception of a 20k walker the rest of us all do events under 10km through to javelin and look at the posts .. i think this proves your points .. wrong!
the reason they dont post on here is because it is a long distance site which has been taken over by old runners and parents. they actually want to talk about something that interests them.

[run to the hills]

homo, on Jul 14 2006, 03:27 AM, said:

run to the hills, on Jul 14 2006, 03:42 PM, said:

Speaking of the F bomb, aren't you addressing that in your psoas pain thread coyniehnere?

As in "bombed out in that department"?  

As in F@#$%^&*ing Psoas that every one pulled the piss out of!

[CatWoman]

1. The thread about injuries during sex
2. This one.


I may have got this poll concept all wrong, but those are my votes for "Lame Topics"

[Ultraphil]

It's quite interesting to read some of the latest thoughts. Yes I'll actually agree with Rudi on one point. It was quite funny to see that Dr JH had read and contributed to the "Australian Ultra History" thread.

We all have choices to make. We can be a sprinter, middle distance, long distance or ultra runner (or really naughty and walk). It all depends in life on our ratio of slow/fast twitch muscles etc. Me, I do appreciate and love all forms of running. But time constraints usually dictate what I read and contribute and what I dont read or contribute to. As Tim said earlier, there's a little gadget down the bottom called "Add New topic". Use it and contribute towards the ebb and flow of the forum.

As Forest Gump would now say "That's all i have to say about that!"

[Jogger]

Arguing over preferred running genre - ultrs v sprinting is like arguing over your favourite colour == LAME LAME LAME.

[Easy Tiger]

Some of you people are kidding yourselves.

I get the feeling alot of you ultra guys want respect for your sport, maybe you'd have a better chance if some of your loud mouths started showing some respect first.

I'm in a fortunate position to have experienced training for distances from 100m to 800m. As Ralph Wiggum says, 800m runners are doing massive amounts of km's. I'd be very surprised if there are more than a couple of ultra runners doing higher volume than i am at the moment, add to that the intensity of the sessions and strength component i am confident a moderately performed 800m runner such as myself would be putting their bodies under considerably more stress than an equivelant marathoner or ultra marathoner. I've run a couple of marathons and found them very difficult but no point in my marathon experiences came close to the gut busting pain in the final 200m of an 800m or the final 100m of a 400m.

As for those criticising 100m athletes you must be forgetting the hours in the gym and the hours spent on preparing to run flat out and the hours spent preventing injury. For mine the 100m is the hardest and most time consuming event i have trained for, constantly being in pain and knowing that one slight element in your performance below perfection will ruin your race.

If you are training at maximum capability for any distance i'm sure it is difficult.

As for lame topics, i'm not so sure. There are certainly alot more topics appearing which don't interest me, Garmin and Ultra's for example but i don't think that necessarily qualifies them as lame topics.

[DrJH]

Ultraphil, the word 'history' drew my attention. Charlie Lynn actually asked me if I could be the doctor for one of the Sydney to Melbourne races, but unfortunately I wasn't fully qualified at that stage.

Sorry Kevin if me and others appear to be over-critical of your website. We obviously enjoy it or we wouldn't spend so much time here. I have felt that lately the ultra component far outweighs the number of races and competitors. I'd be even more critical though if it was being dominated by sprinters!

[TRAVY]

CatWoman, on Jul 14 2006, 06:51 PM, said:

1. The thread about injuries during sex
2. This one.


I may have got this poll concept all wrong, but those are my votes for "Lame Topics"

I have to agree stupid topics lame topics call it what you want

[tim]

I have to admit that I am a bit surprised and disappointed by the tone of this thread.  I naively believed that we all shared the same passion regardless of the distance we race.  I thought we were drawn together by our love of running.  

I never realised that there was so much animosity toward ultra runners.  I love what I do and I train as hard and as long as my life and body allows me.  I maybe slow but I still believe I am a runner and therefore entitled to share my love of my sport on this forum.

If people do not like to read about the 12 Foot or read my race reports, that’s cool don’t click on them.  I personally do not read anything about track racing but that does not mean I do not respect the effort, skill and passion that goes into that part of the sport.  

Over the last few years I believe I have had a small impact on coolrunning and the topics that are discussed.  It is a public forum and anyone can do the same.  So if you are unhappy with things then make an effort and start changing them.

[Rudolf]

Tim is right.

The sprint guys do not get the point - this is not who is training harder, or who is achieving more, or who is closest to the world records or olympics medals.

This is forum about sharing whatever we are intrerested in relating somehow to running.

Ultrarunners are sharing a lot, and they discuss a lot.

track runners are not saying much about their running or races, it is their choice.

Some post were trying to hint on the fact, that there is perhaps nothing to report or share from the 100m race, or 800m race or 5 km race, and that is the reason nothing gets reported, so there are no threads, i\and if they are they die quickly.

Do You track guys have any interesting or funny stories, or do You have any input to improve the running as such or to improve running of Your competitors . If You do, You keeping them for yourself.

The difference is, the ultrarunners are supportive of each other, there is no real competition among runners.
We are all happy for anybody to do better, to do PB or world record, no jelausy in ultra.
Ultrarunnres compete with the distance and the time, and with their PB and own abilities and are interested in finding what they can do, they do not care if anybody can do it fraction of second faster, and by doing so become the enemy.

Sprinters on top level typicaly hate each other, they are fighting for selections, medals, money, sponsors deal etc.

Ultrarunners are friends first and help each other, and lots of this friendship and selfless help is reflected in the stories and race reports, and that is why even runners who do not do ultras like to read it and talk about it , and why are so exited to offer help at organising, or as a crew.

Occasionaly there is a thread relating 800m - it is just bichiness and cockiness and ego busting,
I did not read any friendly advice to a fellow competitor.
And I do not need to drag Tamsyn or Tamsyn-Jana drama here.

So it is not how hard You train, or about the pain at the last bend of 800m.

You would have to experience some ultra the atmosphere and friendliness to even had a small chance to
getting to the point of little understanding.

And any ultrarunner or any helper or organisers or just a passive onlooker, could back me up with hundreds of stories.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Ok ok Rudolf, we get the point.

Ultrarunners= supreme beings
Track/road/XC runners= selfish scum

Thankyou for enlightening us with your moronic generalisations.

[karisma]

I believe that ultra runners and sprinters can work together ... a bit like conventional medicine and the natural therapies  

Seriously tho, as runners I think it is important to respect each other and what it takes to train for and race the various distances that we love.

Funny story... a very good sprinter we know recently completed his first marathon at Gold Coast....think he was in total shock afterward and kept repeating  " I am going back to the 1500 "    

I myself began as a sprinter and actually still love the feeling when it all comes together and I just seem to fly over those short distances(100m and 200m are my favourite).  Then on the otherhand I also love the feeling of completing a distance that I have never done before....both can be equally exciting and challenging, tho both require similar traits of good discipline and training.

I DO know that sprinters tend to be a lot better at stretching, warming up and doing drills....

I would like to ask the sprinters "what drills they think are the best (is there a book where one can find the descriptions?) and how many do you think are adequate?
I would like to start doing some again and think they will improve my speedwork....but perhaps I should start a new topic? and we should all start anew too  

Edited by karisma, 15 July 2006 - 03:31 PM.

[SoLucky]

Those unhappy souls, the “lame topic” moaners and the “boring topic” whingers,
are just like the people who knowingly go into sex shops and then write cranky letters to their local newspaper.
For both groups, the solution is in their hands, get a life.