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[Jogger]

Please vote in this year's awards - you have until 19th Jan.

[undercover brother]

if i remember i will nominate this thread as my favourite in the awards next year  

[Twopennys]

I just love that the "understanding missus" option under running accessories is leading at the moment - I'm guessing more men are voting than women

For the record I voted for my beloved 305 - but if anyone ever invents a DTI meter......

[MPHinLondon]

I added the Cremorne path as a nomination for training runs, it was listed after I entered it, but it's not there, did it get missed off?

I also added the 10-20 as 'other distance race' but I assume that didn't get added for not being an 'official' race?

Edited by MPH, 02 January 2007 - 10:46 AM.

[undercover brother]

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but if anyone ever invents a DTI meter......

the brains trust at mellum is currently working on this.
it will be garmin compatible, alarm when u reach a predetermined low and has all the usual graphing features...

[Jogger]

MPH, on Jan 2 2007, 11:45 AM, said:

I added the Cremorne path as a nomination for training runs, it was listed after I entered it, but it's not there, did it get missed off?

I also added the 10-20 as 'other distance race' but I assume that didn't get added for not being an 'official' race?

mph - I honestly did not see the cremorne path, it's nto in the list now, all I can think is you added it at the precise time that I was closing the list or doing a minor edit (I temporarily write to my local disk, edit then save over the live so there was a 1min opportunityt o lose a nomination.

10-20, yeah I didn't count it as a serious nomination. sorry.

[MPHinLondon]

No worries Kev, I've already voted, but I know a few people use that path, so would be good for others I guess.

Not a serious nomination for the 10-20! You can't be joking, surely! That was one of my top races this year!

[FakePlasticTrees]

Yep, 10-20 is as serious a race as any fat ass event out there. The competition was fierce and some of the intervals between pubs showed impressive times. 8mins for 2.4ks is pretty good after your 4th beer and it only got faster from there.

[Jogger]

Sorry I will make sure I give the 10-20 due respect next year.

[jacjacjac]

this may sound stupid, but where do you go to vote?

[Jogger]

You have to be logged in to vote. If you are reading this then scroll up to the top of the page  

[Becky O]

I was really surprised not to see Kembla Joggers on the best clubs list. I thought it was one of the biggest clubs in NSW.

[Jogger]

becky - they have to be nominated .....

[Stu Mac]

I am surprised that there have only been 164 members vote!

[Magnus M]

Stu Mac, on Jan 9 2007, 03:27 AM, said:

I am surprised that there have only been 164 members vote!

Stu,

I thought Id make it 167, and besides, I thought I needed another vote to take me up to 4.

[Magnus M]

Stu Mac, on Jan 9 2007, 03:27 AM, said:

I am surprised that there have only been 164 members vote!

Stu,

I think its hard as there are so many topics you need to vote for

[Stu Mac]

I agree, I too think there are a few too many topics, but it is just a bit of fun and it does give you a 'general' feel for what the readership are looking for.

Upto 174 now...

[SlingRunner]

Stu Mac, on Jan 8 2007, 11:27 AM, said:

I am surprised that there have only been 164 members vote!

Being a non-Eastern states based-CR, I don't know 99% of the nominees  


TS&TF

[TRAVY]

I would like to know if their is much difference in the results this year to last year. I think thier is a Sydney bias followed by a eastern states bias.

Sleep with a western Australian , they need more of them.

[Morts]

I've completed the poll, but a lot of it is irrelevant to the runners in West.

[miners]

Must admit that I'm disappointed to see so many "None of the aboves" being ticked.  I appreciate that many of the races are eastern-seaboard based and perhaps a lot of CRs haven't been to some of the events mentioned, but I figured that was the purpose of the nomination thread ...

I mean, I can agree that someone might have some undying love for an obscure 10k race they ran in Ireland back in 1968 and didn't bother to nominate it, but how can you say that the nominated photos, or threads of the year are NOT the best if you haven't nominated an alternative?

[tank girl]

Non-East Coasters, do not fear - from up here in Brisbane, it looks like all the votes are coming from Sydney and surrounds anyway

[Stu Mac]

miners, on Jan 11 2007, 08:20 PM, said:

Must admit that I'm disappointed to see so many "None of the aboves" being ticked.  I appreciate that many of the races are eastern-seaboard based and perhaps a lot of CRs haven't been to some of the events mentioned, but I figured that was the purpose of the nomination thread ...

Some of the threads are hard to vote for; I didn't run a marathon in 2006, I didn't run an Ultra, I didn't run a regional ace, and no particular thread excited me & no particular CR inspired me, but I did take the time to check out the photos and I am SO happy I did, a couple of the photos were very Cool!!!


I do agree, if the non Eastern States want their races and Clubs appearing then easy, put in the nominations next year!

Edited by Stu Mac, 11 January 2007 - 09:39 PM.

[Jogger]

I agree with Stu Mac. and if we put in even more questions I believe the number of "none of the aboves" would increase.

Mick did a sterling job to resurrect last year's poll results here.

[weary]

miners, on Jan 11 2007, 03:20 AM, said:

Must admit that I'm disappointed to see so many "None of the aboves" being ticked.  I appreciate that many of the races are eastern-seaboard based and perhaps a lot of CRs haven't been to some of the events mentioned, but I figured that was the purpose of the nomination thread ...

I mean, I can agree that someone might have some undying love for an obscure 10k race they ran in Ireland back in 1968 and didn't bother to nominate it, but how can you say that the nominated photos, or threads of the year are NOT the best if you haven't nominated an alternative?

I ticked 'none of the above' quite a bit - to be frank, it was simply because I didn't know or didn't care to form an opinion on.

Unless you've run a race, how would you form a view as to whether it is the best race or not?

Unless you were a member of one of the clubs nominated, why would you vote for them as your favourite running club?

Unless you'd looked at the running blogs, why would you vote for one?

I was thankful the 'none of the above' option was there - it didn't force me to vote when I didn't want to.

adw

[Rudolf]

I did my voting on the first day I think, I remeber counting how many none of the above N/A I ticked- exactly 50%.

It did not bother me. Lots of question are absolutely of no interest or importance to me, but I understand that we are all different
and lots of stuf is interesting or important to others.

I would ceratinly throw lots of question out, and put lots of new ones in, but that just me.

Some of the question are interesting and perhaps important to me as well, but the way they are formulated, and the way the answers are structured, it makes them again completely pointless and useless in my my own view.

Please understand, I ma not trying to change anything, or to critize anybody (and especialy not You Kevin).
This kind of survey will allways has this situation, when the N/A answer needs to be there and is going to be used frequently.

One of the example, when question intersting to me, was turned to uninteresting by the way of formulation and possible answers,
but I still vote with specific answer, not N/A.
It is question about shoes, which is turned into brand competition, which is basicaly useless info, unless you are sale manager.
If the answers were of the type :
racing flats, very cushioned, moderately cushioned, stabilizing, overpronating, barefoot,absolutely no cushioning,...
that would be of interest.

But the fact that is the Nike or Asics means absolutely nothing, and is usually missleading to begginers, making them think, that it is the brand which is important.

Hey thats just me, do not worry about that.

[AzzaTas]

Hey All, I know everyone has there own opinion but why isnt nathan deakes the best male athlete with a WR in the 50km by himself on a course with heaps of turns?

Also Hanny Allston! She is World Champ in orienteering, just ran a 2.46 marathon and is one of the nicest girls i've ever met! vote for Hanny!!!

[weary]

AzzaTas, on Jan 11 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

Hey All, I know everyone has there own opinion but why isnt nathan deakes the best male athlete

mate - good try, but you're never going to get distance runners voting for a walker as 'best athlete'.

[miners]

adw, on Jan 12 2007, 12:22 PM, said:

mate - good try, but you're never going to get distance runners voting for a walker as 'best athlete'.

By the same token, if we're basing it on results alone then no-one could touch Michellie for best female athlete - no-one else listed has won a world championship in 2006.  And the same can be said for Craig Alexander.  Results wise, no-one on that list can go close to touching him which inlcuded a 1st and 2nd placing in 2 separate World Championship distance events, as well as winning nearly every Tri he entered on the US circuit.

However, it's obvious that these two would never receive majority votes on this board, and probably quite rightly too.

Incidentally adw - no offence, but after reading your earlier posting it begs the question of why you even bother voted in the first place?

[Easy Tiger]

But if you were going to consider Craig Alexander or Michelie Jones then you'd also need to consider Ricky Ponting, Tim Cahill, Jamie Dwyer, Lauren Jackson and Geoff Ogilvy. This is a running website, some may suggest that wouldn't eliminate Nathan Deakes  

[MissZ]

Twopennys, on Jan 2 2007, 11:36 AM, said:

I just love that the "understanding missus" option under running accessories is leading at the moment - I'm guessing more men are voting than women

I chose to take 'missus' to be non-gender specific.

[miners]

Easy Tiger, on Jan 12 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

This is a running website, some may suggest that wouldn't eliminate Nathan Deakes  

Ah yes, but last time I looked michellie & crowie et al were actually "running" professionals.  Deakes is constrained by specifc rules which "prevent" him from running.

The multi-sport guys, much like the ultras, rogainers & moutain runners even have a "dark-side" section of this site devoted to them.  Not sure what I'll do if the walkers get their own section here - or the golfers for that matter

[miners]

And sorry to harp on and sound like a right tosser - but have a look at "CR's Most Accomplished athlete of the year" for a case in point.  How can anyone with at least the most basic passing knowledge of running (let alone this site) not be able to answer that question?

Perhaps (and just perhaps) 28 CRs who voted have no idea what Blue Dog, Uncle Dave & Guzz have been up to in 2006 (which is a reasonably implausible assumption, but I'll accept it for the purpose of the argument), but surely they've heard of Troopy.  I fail to see how respondents feel there is no option in THAT question to answer

unless of course they think there's another CR out there who achieved more, but failed to nominate same  

[FakePlasticTrees]

miners, on Jan 13 2007, 06:22 PM, said:

Perhaps (and just perhaps) 28 CRs who voted have no idea what Blue Dog, Uncle Dave & Guzz have been up to in 2006 (which is a reasonably implausible assumption, but I'll accept it for the purpose of the argument), but surely they've heard of Troopy.  I fail to see how respondents feel there is no option in THAT question to answer

Just on Troopy, and this could be my own ignorance here, what success did he have in 2006 that would warrant him winning over the other nominees? His profile on VIS site stops at 2004.

I read the question as most accomplished for 2006. Troopy has accomplished a lot in his career but been plagued by injury for the last couple of years.

[Uncle Dave]

FakePlasticTrees, on Jan 13 2007, 03:51 PM, said:

Just on Troopy, and this could be my own ignorance here, what success did he have in 2006 that would warrant him winning over the other nominees?

He didn't do too badly up at the Gold Coast I believe...if one considers winning the Australian Marathon Championships in 2:14 'not too bad'  

Edited by Uncle Dave, 14 January 2007 - 08:02 AM.

[Colin]

... Is further proof needed that this is a popularity contest? We don't seem to need looking up the other nomineee's 'performances' on NSWIS website.

Perhaps there should be some qualifications next to the nominations to indicate why they are there.
Or maybe it should read "which performance has been raved about and patted on the back most on CR forums".

Another example is 'CR Ambassador'. What are we actually voting for here? (I wasted my vote on myself btw, why not). But are these people who have promoted or done a  lot for CR or are they CR's who have contributed to the sport of running (organisation etc).
If its the former, then the winner is ok (if updating blogs,posting pics and podcasts are important- with no offense to my mate, who would understand), but if the latter, in my opinion, where are the votes for SMC42K, Goldcoastultras etc?
SMC42K has gotten up at 4am every SMC event (probably for the last 25yrs) working until noon that day, doesn't get to run in the event, makes markers , flags etc, for a popular event that has kept the road running interest going. ONE vote.
GCU (not nominated) and others have similar credentials.

Miners, I think it has already been explained well by Rudolf (and touched on here).
Some may not agree with a category at all and therefore not vote in that one, but may want to vote in other categories--so they shouldn't be forced to vote for someone/something whether they nominated or not.

Edited by Colin, 14 January 2007 - 08:54 AM.

[Uncle Dave]

...so why didn't you vote for SMC42K instead of wasting that vote on yourself?  

[Colin]

... If you are going to reply,why don't you discuss the gist of my post (agree or disagree) rather than having a dig at me again..you just can't resist, can you?

For the record, I thought I did a fair bit "in the arena" myself , more than most but maybe less than SMC42K, but could only vote once, plus I thought (incorrectly)SMC42k wouldn't need much help over the likes of others nominated.

Or maybe its my vanity .

I was making the point above, seeing that you missed it, that "ambassador" may have meant different things to different people. I thought it meant doing something to promote running in general, rather than 'coolrunning'.

Edited by Colin, 14 January 2007 - 09:37 AM.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Colin, on Jan 14 2007, 09:48 AM, said:

... Is further proof needed that this is a popularity contest? We don't seem to need looking up the other nomineee's 'performances' on NSWIS website.

Because throughout the year I know what the others have been doing.

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Perhaps there should be some qualifications next to the nominations to indicate why they are there.

Sounds like a good idea.

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Or maybe it should read "which performance has been raved about and patted on the back most on CR forums".

Just because some people go over the top on praise here on CR should not preclude the likes of Dave and Blue Dog being able to win the award. Quite frankly I think Blue Dog stepping up and having the success in Ultras he has had to be a greater accomplishment than somebody winning an event for which they are reknowned. I also think somebody else overcoming a career threathening ACL injury to then come back and reclaim his glory to be quite inspirational*. Doesn't hurt that they are both friends  

CR Ambassador of the year was a hard one. I took it to mean somebody who promoted CR and provided a neutral mediating voice during on board disagreements. Only really Kevin fits the bill and I forgot to nominate him (as did everybody else). As such I went the option None of the Above. Which whilst discussing, I think is a good option to have. Not everybody is going to be able answer all the questions. Also if everybody nominated the person that the would vote for then they'd be about 1000 people for each question. I'm pretty sure all nominations needed to be seconded.

* Yes I realise the Troopy had to overcome quite a few injuries the past year or two to win gold coast, but he wasn't nominated for Inspirational.

[Ellie80]

i nominated kevin but i think he must have removed it...

[Easy Tiger]

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Perhaps there should be some qualifications next to the nominations to indicate why they are there.

I've only seen a few posts from Nick Bromley but he was a Comm' Games semi finalist and won his 3rd consecutive National 800m title last year, Troop and Chisolm are the other national champions nominated for 'Most accomplished CR'.

I'm surprised (well not really) that 'Best Australian male athlete' has Martin Dent on 8 votes, surprisingly ahead of Comm Games Gold and Bronze medallists, Steffenson and Fountain.

'Best Australian female athlete' has Emma Murray on 33 votes, again surprisingly(again, not really), ahead of Sarah Jamieson and 6x more votes than Anna Thompson.

[Tiger Boy]

Sorry miners - implausable as it may seem, I have no idea who Blue Dog, Uncle Dave and Guzz are. I have seen the names around, but I couldn't tell you anything about them.
In that category I vote for someone else, in this case someone I do know.
For ambaasador I nominated and voted for Lost Boy - the icy pole stand and cheersquad at 35km in the Melbourne Marathon was a beacon for all runners not just CR's. I know he wasn't on his own, but I understand it to have been his brainchild.
As for most inspirational, well I didn't vote for myself.  I voted for another runner that I know. I don't inspire myself and was quite frankly stunned to find I had even been nominated, and suprised and even a little embarrased when I checked (coz I do have some ego), to find 11 people had voted for me. Not quite sure what I am doing right, but I will try to keep doing it.
Like a lot of others though, it was useful to have the N/A option, among other categories, I haven't run an ultra, or a regional race so can't form an opinion on which one is the best.
I really treat these "awards" as a bit of harmless fun though. Are they meant to be taken seriously?

[Sarge]

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Sorry miners - implausable as it may seem, I have no idea who Blue Dog, Uncle Dave and Guzz are. I have seen the names around, but I couldn't tell you anything about them.

Maybe Tiger Boy has a good point. Have we grown mature enough to put our real names on this board? If we all did it then we'd all be able to see who was doing what and how we all went in the race results.

[miners]

Tiger Boy, on Jan 14 2007, 07:39 PM, said:

I really treat these "awards" as a bit of harmless fun though. Are they meant to be taken seriously?

Oh, of course! These awards are the only reason some of us log on each year

Perhaps, as Sarge mentioned, nominees could have their anonymity removed for the purpose of the voting. At the time thoe nomination thread is open, whomever puts the name forward be obliged to provide a short summary of who/why etc ... (details to be forwarded to KT).  If nominees don't wish their 'bits' to be displayed they could decline the nomination.  I obviously take for granted how well everyone in the CR community knows each other.  

(Still not sure how so many people couldn't find 1 running accessory worth voting for though ... )

[Rudolf]

miners, on Jan 15 2007, 07:47 AM, said:

(Still not sure how so many people couldn't find 1 running accessory worth voting for though ... )

voting for 1 means, that You are clear, that 1 is more important than all the rest.

This question was answerable for me, since if the missus is not understanding, no amount of sock, Garmins, camelbacks etc would make the running possible.

If You are not running barefoot, how You can choose between socks and shoes ?

The logic of this question for voting is well beyond my capacity to understand it...

People voting Garmin are saying - I can runn being single, barefoot and nude, and do not cary any drinks with me etc, but I could not run dressed, socks, shoes, drink botlle etc while NOT having the Garmin.

So if I was not clear about the understanding missus option, I would be voting N/A again.

[Jogger]

Come on - just a couple more days left to vote.

[HillsAths1]

I guess I will have to do more work this year, Colin I was sure I had your vote!

I guess I will have to do more work this year, Colin I was sure I had your vote!

[Colin]

...Hey, it was enough that I nominated you.

[Stu Mac]

And add the 2006 Australian Cross Country Champion for Troopy.


And just to annoy Miners (& probably others), I have no idea who Craig Alexander or Michelie Jones are, I assume triathletes?  I know I could google (& probably will now), but as I have watched many tri's.  A great sport, don't get me wrong, but not one I follow as I don't swim or bike.  

Edited by Stu Mac, 16 January 2007 - 10:23 AM.

[Stu Mac]

To answer the question on why people are not voting for an accessory:

An Understanding Missus - single
Babysitters - don't use
Body Glide - don't use, maybe once or twice
Cap - I have a couple, but only wear once a month, maybe
Coolmax Socks - not all of my socks are coolmax
Foot Tape - never used
Fuel Belt - never used
Garmin Forerunner 305 - I don't have that model & only use it once a fn, maybe
Headband - don't have one
Heart Rate Monitor - I used twice in 2006
Ice Packs - used a few times in Nov & Dec
Ipod - don't have one
Massage Stick - don't have one
Number Belt - don't even know what it is?
Sports Shield - no idea?
Succeed Caps - hasn't caps already been mentioned
Www.Mapmyrun.Com (Google Earth) - never used
Zipp Laces - no idea?
None of the above - see above, this is where my vote went!

When the nominations were coming in, I thought I might add shoes, but then I remembered I have five different pairs, so which ones???


Thankfully its all a bit of fun & we all have differing opinions.