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[Cowboy]

Hi All

Once my Stress Fracture has healed I was tempted to try a new brand of runners other than asics. Would anyone know of a brand that has the same support as a Kayano that is just as good or better?

Edited by Cowboy, 20 March 2007 - 12:55 PM.

[azza]

I'm a big fan of Brooks for my feet - the Trances and Adrenalines both have good pronation support ,and the Beast and Addictions are good for severe over-pronation.
But ultimately, head out to a running store and try a few different brands on. You'll find something you like!

[trotter]

hi

I'd second the Brooks recommendation. I rotate a between brooks and asics. Brooks have a few new models / new editions out in the last little while.

At the moment I particularly like the kayano 13's (just out in the past few months). Tonight I put on my brooks axioms and compared to the kayanos they are not as spongy and a bit narrower in the toe box area. I think the narrower fit is a characteristic of brooks shoes - in the women's range anyway. (I also need to remember my kayanos are only a month or so old...while the brooks are getting toward the end of their run..no pun intended).

happy shoe hunting. trotter

[Wardman]

I have also gone from kayano's to Brooks, and so far, have been happy with the outcome. I bought a pair of Beasts & Adrenalines in order to rotate them and get longer life from both, and also to assist with a PF problem.

Had a slight problem with blistering with the beasts due to the larger arch support but no major drama. I have found them durable and comfortable and hoping to get longer life than the asics.

best bet is go to a running shoe specialist and get the right pair for you

good luck

Wardman

[Emrun]

A vote for the Brooks from me as well, Trance 6 for me. Active feet recommended either the Kayano or the Trance's and I have been happy with the Trance, both 5 and 6 for almost a year now, been through 3 pairs.

Had a PF problem late last year after trying a new shoe, once it cleared up back to the old faithfuls and no drama's

Probably best to see a Pod or a specialist running store though.

[phatkid]

I'm a recent convert to the gel kinsei... they are more expensive than most other shoes on the market and only available from the athlete's foot - but they are the best shoes I've run in. They can handle a high mileage workload and I found the comfort to be excellent. I'll stick with the kinsei for some time...

Ultimately though it's a matter of finding a shoe that you find comfortable and suitable for the distances, terrain and speed you are looking at running.


happy shopping...

[Jason M]

I used to always run in Kayanos, I went through 16 pairs, then they only seemed to last about 100km before part of the heel would collapse (I only weigh 65kg). That prompted a move to Brooks Adrenaline. For me that's definitely a much better shoe. But its very individual. I know ASICS have since fixed that problem of the Kayanos I talked about, but the Brooks suit my feet better. I used to race in the ASICS DS Racer and DS Trainer, but even though they were lighter, I got many blisters. Since changing over to Brooks Hyperion Racer (no longer available) and the Racer ST I've had no more blisters.

Try a few shoes and find what suits you.

[MPHinLondon]

Brooks Addiction 7 are the best shoe money can buy, for a flat footed pronator like myself.

[Cowboy]

I have been using the Kayanos because I have a arch going on slightly to a high arch, plus my feet roll in when I strike, I also wear Orthotics to correct that.

Thanks for the advice guys, would anyone know of a running specialist in the Sydney area. I know there is one at Edgecliff and Bronte but have never been there before.

Edited by Cowboy, 21 March 2007 - 10:41 AM.

[Steve 'The Footman']

The Asics Kayano is their top of the line moderate stability shoe. Good for high mileage and those who need a little bit of anti-pronation control as well.

Each Brand has a similar shoe:
Brooks Trance
Mizuno Nirvana
NB 1222
Saucony Hurricane (better for pounders and heavier runners.
Adidas Adistar Control.
Nike Air Structure Triax

But what is really important is finding the shoe that is best for you. The best way to do that is get advice from a specialist and run in each of the shoes before buying one.

[Colin]

MPH, on Mar 21 2007, 09:42 AM, said:

... for a flat footed pronator like myself.

I used to think I was a flat footed pronator , and used anti-proantion shoes for over 20yrs. Well I am still flat footed , but found that there were eventually problems from very stiff feet/ankles, which had lost the ability to pronate, which is supposed to be a natural shock absorbing and foot travel function.

Gait and podiatrist analysis suggested a shift to neutral shoes, first the Landreth now the Pegasus for two yrs with some minor modifications sometimes. Haven't had a (new) niggle since.

I now have the belief that anti pronation shoes like Kayano etc are over engineered to create a short term solution. "Do you pronate"?... "wear this".

Now I advise people whether they pronate or not to start with a neutral base- and there are many cheaper shoes which fit the bill here- then modify with podiatrist as per the individual biomechanical problem , that not only they, but each foot has.

You are much better off starting with a neutral shoe to do this,

btw, after 20yrs of pushing the anti pronation barrow, there is now a definite moveby shoe companies towardes neutral, because of a shift in thinking of consumers and specialists.

cheers

Edited by Colin, 21 March 2007 - 08:42 PM.

[running_lady]

Cowboy, on Mar 20 2007, 12:54 PM, said:

Hi All

Once my Stress Fracture has healed I was tempted to try a new brand of runners other than asics. Would anyone know of a brand that has the same support as a Kayano that is just as good or better?

I am a great fan of kayano but tried Nile air structure triax this time and they are great a lot more width in them for me too.

[Stu Mac]

Colin, on Mar 21 2007, 08:41 PM, said:

I now have the belief that anti pronation shoes like Kayano etc are over engineered to create a short term solution. "Do you pronate"?... "wear this".

Now I advise people whether they pronate or not to start with a neutral base- and there are many cheaper shoes which fit the bill here- then modify with podiatrist as per the individual biomechanical problem , that not only they, but each foot has.

Very much agree with Colin's comments. I too think that many would be better off in a neutral shoe.

[tank girl]

I'm with Stu Mac and Colin... with a disclaimer: you need a good podiatrist. If your underlying problem is a lack of strength, rather than a structural deformity, then you need to specifically train the right muscles. If your pod can't tell you how to do this, it's time to find a new one.

[wombatoutofhell]

I run in brooks beasts-fantastic shoes for me anyway. my wife likes brooks as well.

[Grandpa]

I moved in the other direction to a lot of you. The faster I got, the more I preferred Asics over Brooks. My current shoe wardrobe consists of 4 shoes: a 2100 for long slow runs, a DS trainer for speedwork, a racer for races and a pair of spikes for short track races.

One reason for moving away from Brooks to Asics was that the asics were lighter. However, they cost more and wear out faster so I figure any advantage they offer is more beneficial to the quick or perhaps the "quickening". The 2100's last quite well though.

But I'm prepared to look at Brooks again, given my recent injury and certain, slow recovery.

[Cowboy]

I don't know if I can go with the "run in a neutral shoe" comment, I was told by athletes foot that I did not roll in by there so called machine, when I do and had a arch to high arch which I already knew...I ran in these and did so much damage to my legs that I couldn't even walk properly at times. Changing your running style is hard to adapt to, since buying another pair of Kayanos it had improved but the damage, Stress Fracture had already been done.

[Whippet gal]

I tried the Mizuno Nirvana on the recommendation of a salesperson, and took them back to the store after two runs. Caused arch pain and (for me) was an awful shoe to run in.
Went back to my kayanos and can't find anything that comes close.

[laotze]

What is a neutral shoe that is light as or ligher than Kayano, but which has good forefoot cushioning, in the Asic range?

[Grey beard]

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What is a neutral shoe that is light as or ligher than Kayano, but which has good forefoot cushioning, in the Asic range?

Not sure if it has enough forefoot cushioning for you Awiseman, but my favourite of the Asics range is the DS Trainer. Extremely light but durable - I have run up to half marathons in them with no problems. In my view the Kayano is over-rated and over-priced.

[superted]

Cowboy, on Mar 19 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

Hi All

Once my Stress Fracture has healed I was tempted to try a new brand of runners other than asics. Would anyone know of a brand that has the same support as a Kayano that is just as good or better?

Just switched to Nike AST 10's excellent shoe's with support of the kayano but better cushioning

[Cowboy]

superted, on May 11 2007, 09:11 PM, said:

Just switched to Nike AST 10's excellent shoe's with support of the kayano but better cushioning

How much did the Nike's set you back

[Colin]

Stu Mac, on Apr 27 2007, 11:24 PM, said:

Very much agree with Colin's comments. I too think that many would be better off in a neutral shoe.

Holy shit. I'm absolutely staggered, I didn't think I'd ever see that day.

By Cowboy

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I don't know if I can go with the "run in a neutral shoe" comment, I was told by athletes foot that I did not roll in by there so called machine, when I do and had a arch to high arch which I already knew...I ran in these and did so much damage to my legs that I couldn't even walk properly at times. Changing your running style is hard to adapt to, since buying another pair of Kayanos it had improved but the damage, Stress Fracture had already been done.

I would advise that you seek further opinions on your biomechanics. As a general rule, a high arch results in a stiffer foot with less surface contact to ground, thus higher impact loading for two good reasons already.
This is why neutral shoes are usually recommended for such feet. If nothing else, the neutral shoes offer much more cushioning than stability shoes.

Perhaps Steve the Footman would like to comment as a podiatrist and purveyor of shoes, but I have hardly ever seen someone with a high arch in a stability shoe running without issues.

My wife has high arches and certainly she gets all the hassles associated with that. Now in Vomero's, with bunion cell too, she has absolutely no problems.

ps , I saw the Kayanos advertised for $260 yesterday- who pays that much for shoes? Stupid question I know, its the highest seller.

Compared to a trusted neutral shoe like Pegasus, you could almost get two pairs for that price.

Edited by Colin, 15 May 2007 - 04:07 PM.

[thomo]

Steve, on Mar 21 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

The Asics Kayano is their top of the line moderate stability shoe. Good for high mileage and those who need a little bit of anti-pronation control as well.

Each Brand has a similar shoe:
Saucony Hurricane (better for pounders and heavier runners.
But what is really important is finding the shoe that is best for you. The best way to do that is get advice from a specialist and run in each of the shoes before buying one.

I have found my shoe!!!!. I will have to give them a try!! Until I lose that last 30 kgs!!! (yes, no typo)

thomo