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#1 Mister G

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 01:17 AM

Right.

For WS training purposes there will be an additional Twelve Foot Track run this year on Saturday May 26.

This does not replace the "official Fatass" 12FT which will still go ahead on August 11, but is rather a "fatass of the fatass".

Of course, you don't have to be running WS to run on this day, nor do you have to run the full 90K.

Let the discussion begin....

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 07:39 AM

I'm there along with a few others I know of too.
Nice time of the year for it and a great final long hitout for those doing Western States.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 08:44 AM

I was planning on this as one of my key lead up training runs but a post-Prom injury has cast a bit of a shadow. Nevertheless, I am still a likely starter. How could you say no to the chance to run the famous 12' course?   :yahoo:

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 09:29 AM

I was thinking that just running the 12 foot is a bit soft I reckon looping around Hellgate would be the way to go.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 09:38 AM

View Posttim, on May 11 2007, 09:29 AM, said:

I was thinking that just running the 12 foot is a bit soft I reckon looping around Hellgate would be the way to go.

oh dear.. :yahoo:

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 10:41 AM

good luck boys and girls.
i have the pleasure of attending my brother in laws wedding that day so wont be joining y'all.
enjoy.

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 12:04 AM

View PostMister G, on May 11 2007, 01:17 AM, said:

Right.

For WS training purposes there will be an additional Twelve Foot Track run this year on Saturday May 26.

This does not replace the "official Fatass" 12FT which will still go ahead on August 11, but is rather a "fatass of the fatass".

Of course, you don't have to be running WS to run on this day, nor do you have to run the full 90K.

Let the discussion begin....
Is this the Poormans 12FT Track?

I would like to do some of it, but depends on GH80 the week before.


View Posttim, on May 11 2007, 09:29 AM, said:

I was thinking that just running the 12 foot is a bit soft I reckon looping around Hellgate would be the way to go.
Don't be a softie, do the 24 Foot

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 12:36 AM

View Posttim, on May 11 2007, 09:29 AM, said:

I was thinking that just running the 12 foot is a bit soft I reckon looping around Hellgate would be the way to go.

Tim if you are super keen - I've nutted out an extention (all on fire trail) that involves an out and back route from the Moorara Boss intersection of Hellgate to Kanangra Walls and return which would give you 100+k :yahoo:

I have to be in Bathurst by 10:30am that morning - so depending on start time I could be in for a portion to keep the back markers company for a bit before turning back.

Cheers, 2P

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 11:21 AM

View PostSportsman, on May 12 2007, 12:04 AM, said:

Is this the Poormans 12FT Track?

I would like to do some of it, but depends on GH80 the week before.
Don't be a softie, do the 24 Foot
Ron if I make it up I will be taking it very easy, especially after doing GH80 as well.
As for 24', don't encourage them.  :yahoo:

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:34 PM

I'm pretty keen, but I don't think I'm up to all 12 feet. I've been a bit out of shape since Hellgate (see post).
I'll be there to do something though, maybe to pluvi and back. Depending on how the next two weeks running go I may be able to be persuaded to go further. It's a bit out of wack in my grand plan of running PMC and then 12'...however my grand plan has fallen over cause I won't be here for the August 12'...so here's my chance. As you can see, I'm trying to convince myself, but I really don't think I'll be capable right now. What's the planned start time?

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:57 PM

View Postinganbangan, on May 12 2007, 04:34 PM, said:

I'm pretty keen, but I don't think I'm up to all 12 feet. I've been a bit out of shape since Hellgate (see post).
I'll be there to do something though, maybe to pluvi and back. Depending on how the next two weeks running go I may be able to be persuaded to go further. It's a bit out of wack in my grand plan of running PMC and then 12'...however my grand plan has fallen over cause I won't be here for the August 12'...so here's my chance. As you can see, I'm trying to convince myself, but I really don't think I'll be capable right now. What's the planned start time?

7am- Inganbangan.
18FT can wait until August 12.  :yahoo:

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 05:35 PM

I would love to do this, but the full run might be too big a step up for me. Anyway, I will advise closer to the day, but its got me very interested...

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 09:23 PM

I will likely be there. Looking forward to running twice as far as my furthest run!

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 09:01 AM

I'm in

Managed to knock out 70km on the course yesterday w/ Mister G and Nathan and have pulled up ok, so should be able to make it through all 12 feet on the 26th May.

Edited by Virtual, 13 May 2007 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 13 May 2007 - 12:38 PM

If anyone is interested, I may have a plan to throw an aid station in at Pluvio.  Car pool option with another runner. One of us can do the first leg, other drives up and parks car at aid station at top of Pluvio with all the goodies.

2nd runner starts from Pluvio and runs into Jenolan and then does the return leg to Katoomba.  First runner goes into Jenolan, then back to the car to pick up.  Both runners get about 60km.  

Scurry this may be our plan????????

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 01:36 PM

All or nothing I reckon

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 04:29 PM

View Postscurry711, on May 12 2007, 09:36 PM, said:

All or nothing I reckon


I like your attitude Scurry... if it gets the better of you the first time beat it into submission twice.

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 06:11 PM

Hey Rod, what happened to SMC? I knew you couldn't keep away from this one.  :yahoo:
In fact it looks like there's going to be quite a turnout, maybe even more than the "official" 12FT in August.
Looking forward to it.

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 08:25 PM

Spud,

I know.....  The lure of this one got me.  Not up to the full distance, but would be keen for a crack at 65kms.  I would also be in for a relay if anyone wants to do one leg only, which also means we could get the car back to the start.

Who says SMC will be out anyway????  After all it is on the Sunday.


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Posted 13 May 2007 - 10:01 PM

I'm a starter.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:29 PM

Quote Sportsman

Is this the Poormans 12FT Track?

I would like to do some of it, but depends on GH80 the week before.

QUOTE(tim @ May 11 2007, 09:29 AM)  

I was thinking that just running the 12 foot is a bit soft I reckon looping around Hellgate
would be the way to go.

Don't be a softie, do the 24 Foot

Can't do official 12ft in august but would consider doing both at the same time if your not to fast sportsman to make it more even can change my mind and do glasshouse this weekend would be a good training run for GNW

Like last year donít wait for me most likely be last again see you all on the 26th
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:37 PM

I have put the "Poor Man's 12 foot" on the calendar. Any times you run should still count in the all-time 12 foot listings. I will add virtual's run from March also.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:56 PM

View PostJoggerKev, on May 14 2007, 02:37 PM, said:

I have put the "Poor Man's 12 foot" on the calendar. Any times you run should still count in the all-time 12 foot listings. I will add virtual's run from March also.

Does that apply to the poorman's PMC too Kev?  :yahoo:

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 04:09 PM

using the word poormans in front of these races doesn't make sense.  I reckon they should be called something like AAV (Aussie Assault Version) or Rebel Tour or something other than poormans.  It is not like there is an overseas version of the 12 Foot we simply can't afford to attend.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:43 PM

Just wondering if there is a tap available at Jenolan Caves? The tap at Binda Cabins, is that town/tank water and drinkable?

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:53 PM

there is a tap at jenolan's - probably a few. I use the one behind the sign close to the entrance to caves house, opposite the tracjk steps. Binda cabins has a tap by the toilets / showers (!!) I think it's a tank. There is no town water at jenolan hence even in caves house you are given water bottles!

Tim : fair point, should change it.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:49 PM

Thanks mate.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:30 AM

I've got a bunch of questions:

Why doesn't the run start earlier? It seems like a waste of daylight to start at 7. I was thinking it would start at 5 to make the most of the sun.

How much water/fluid do people carry? I presume that it's assumed you can fill up at Cox's. But from there it's still a long slog before the next fill up at Jenolan. What if for some reason the tank at Cox's is empty?

Do people drop a bag at Cox's with their headlamp, some warm clothes and some food in? Where do you hide it?

What food and drinks other than the 'normal' ultra-running food to people take, if any? I guess at Cave's House you can buy something to eat.

Mulling it over and have probably convinced myself to run the whole lot.

Edit: I knew I had more questions. What time do people work on for the 1st half based on their 6 foot track time? I'm thinking 20-30% slower? Or is it just a matter of running easily and slowly and seeing what that works out to be?

Edited by inganbangan, 16 May 2007 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:44 AM

to see people's 6ft splits in 12ft, look at the all time list on the webpage for the run, most people run 30mins to 1hr slower than their six foot race time.

people often drop stuff at the deviation to pick up on the way back, even a slow runner will get there before it gets dark.

food also is dropped in hole in tree at megalong.

the 7am start is traiditonal, so people coming from northern sydney can leave home at 5am and still make it. a 3am leave home for a 5am start is a bit,, extreme. For a rebel 12foot start at any time you like, hey just ignore everyone and start by yourself ...

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:24 AM

View Postinganbangan, on May 16 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

I guess at Cave's House you can buy something to eat.

Buying food at Caves House is a trap that will waste you a lot of time. Just run in, refill water if need be, turn around and head out pronto. A lot of people faff around for half an hour or more....

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:30 AM

Is there any mobile coverage down on Megalong Rd anyone know?

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 04:23 PM

View Postinganbangan, on May 16 2007, 09:30 AM, said:

How much water/fluid do people carry? I presume that it's assumed you can fill up at Cox's. But from there it's still a long slog before the next fill up at Jenolan. What if for some reason the tank at Cox's is empty?

You don't have to go all the way from Coxs's to Jenolan for water as there is a tank at the Deviation.

As for the tank at Cox's being empty - well it all depends on how desparate ya get but you wont die of dehydration as there is plenty of water around... of course you may well die of something else but not that day :yahoo:

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 04:33 PM

tap at binda cabins if you can be arsed to stop.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 04:59 PM

View PostJoggerKev, on May 16 2007, 04:33 PM, said:

tap at binda cabins if you can be arsed to stop.

If you are really keen there is even a public shower there. Drink and freshen yourself up at the same time :yahoo:

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 07:02 PM

Scurry - yes, there is mobile coverage on the megalong road crossing - or Vodaphone anyway.  In the training for Six Foot, I did a few runs starting from there and was always able to call home when I finished.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:54 PM

I have been watching this thread with my tongue hangin' out cos I can't do it.
I am on home duties until the 28th so no excursions. just have to hit Quarry Rd again, and again for the next few weeks.
Have fun out there, and see you on the next one

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 11:29 AM

so who is up for the "poorman's" City to Surf the next day?  It would be nice to finish a weekend of running with a quick swim and then a belly full of beers.

So it will be PM12' with PMC2S and a BBB.

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 11:43 AM

I'll be running the Blacktown City 10km fun run the day after. :yahoo:

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 03:12 PM

If I do it, I don't think I will be walking the day after...

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 05:26 PM

Do most people run this one with someone crewing for them or without?

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 06:45 PM

Scurry, it is mostly run without crew. Although, last year we had Sarge taking our hydration packs to Megalong Rd crossing so we could run first 8km without them. Mel also took some drop bags to Deviation so our packs weren't as heavy.

Is anybody planning to do something similar this year? :yahoo:

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 04:44 PM

I was really keen for this one. Im heading out of town for a few months, leaving tomorrow. Might try and make it back for PMC and the official 12 foot in august.

Have a good run guys and good luck to the western staters.

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 09:14 PM

Well, I'm not running the 12 ft, but I am dropping 2 walkers at the start of the six foot at about 6am, then driving down to the Megalong road crossing and doing a bit of an out and back run from there up to Nellies, then down to the river.  If anyone needs me to take anything to Megalong road, I can and can leave the packs somewhere for you for when you come through.  Anyway, let me know if I can take anything down for you.

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 11:47 PM

Late scratching here. Knee problems........Have fun. Hard not to, out there.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:40 PM

"Rebel" 12 Foot Track Run? Is this the first Fatass event to attract commercial sonsorship? Surely a violation of the Fatass ethos!  :yahoo:

Look after those knees Whippitt. You may need them next month.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:26 PM

After my previous tough talk I am out of 12 foot. However, I am in for 9 foot. For those that don't know, 9 foot is 30k's out, turn around and 30k's back. I believe this will get me somewhere about 4k's past the top of Pluvi. I prefer to finish in daylight, hence the drop back to a 60k option. I will return for the full 12 foot in August. See you at 7am.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 06:53 PM

View PostWhippet Man, on May 21 2007, 11:47 PM, said:

Late scratching here. Knee problems........Have fun. Hard not to, out there.

Same for me.
Was only going to do one of 12Ft, or GH80-which I did.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 07:01 PM

My accommodation is booked at the skyrider ~800m from the start. They have one single room left and a couple of twin rooms if anyone is interested. 02 47821600

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 11:14 AM

If Koala1's offer is too early for some, I'll be there for the start at 7.00am and will take drop bags down to the hollow tree at the Megalong Rd crossing.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 01:05 PM

Sarge, I'll take up your offer to take drop bags to Megalong. Thanks.

I'll see you all at 7. I'm still unsure as to whether I'll be doing the whole distance. I'm very keen to but haven't run much in the last 5 weeks. I'm gonna plan to run the whole lot (taking my headlamp etc) but may just run 9 foot with scurry. Depends how I feel.