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[Jogger]

I have been asked the following :

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Currently the Specific Running Categories group contains:
Ultra-Marathon
Track & Field
Triathlon, Multisport, CrossTraining etc
Fat Ass

They're all good and each has a good user group, but both Mountain Running and Trail Running have no obvious home.
They are very much core running-related categories.
Can I suggest either:
1. Add "Mountain & Trail Running" as a new category, or
2. if not possible, either combine with eg "Fat Ass/Trails/Mountain Running"
I do realise Fat Ass is pretty different organisationally, but the user group is much more similar than say Tri/Multisport.
I guess another alternative is to combine it as "Ultra-Marathon/Trails/Mountain Running" given AURA's acknowledgement of off-road as its growth area, but you'd have to consult with AURA on that.

I've emailed the same suggestion to the following AMRA/AURA/TRAQ reps too

I replied:

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Its a fair point and there IS a lot of overlap. I will throw it open to the floor for comments before making any changes.

I am tempted to leave as is though... or just amend title of current sections.

[Owly]

Either suggestion seems good to me.     from the newbie perspective a separate trails/mountain running thread might be less daunting but then again, those most frequently posting in a trail category would possibly those who tend to hang out in Fatass threads anyway.

[chilliman]

JoggerKev, on May 11 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

I am tempted to leave as is though... or just amend title of current sections.

It's hard to define.

For example if you set Trail Running and Mountain Running  as major headings, you could have Fat Ass, Races, Gear, training runs etc as sub sections.

But then again you could define Fat Ass as a major heading and have Trail, Road, Mountain as sub sections.

Do we then define state subsections as well ? Probably not in my opinion until things get really big.

Just to add my 5c, the Gallery also needs the Trail / Ultra section moved to the root level of the Gallery   as it may not be that obvious under "at the races", but i'm guessing we are trying not to clutter the main page of the gallery with too many sub folders ?

Edited by chilliman, 11 May 2007 - 01:19 PM.

[azza]

I like the idea of combining Trail and Mountain running with the Fatass category, mainly because the idea of "ultra" could turn away a lot of people who would otherwise turn up to a trail run that's less than 42.2 km.
(Myself included! Ultras sound pretty daunting... )

Edited by azza, 11 May 2007 - 03:15 PM.

[Jogger]

The question was asked by a member of TRAQ and they may get the hump if mixed in with the fat assers as that was a VERY key distinction (refer previous posts by TRAQ members being outspoken on their dislike of fat ass).

Agree Ultras should not include sub-ultras.

Its hard as a fatass run can be in NSW section AND Ultra section AND Fatass section, so until we can be in multiple (hmmm...investigate) someone will always think it odd with the placement of threads.

TRAQ runs either go in QLD (if short enough) or Ultra (if long enough) ?

[azza]

JoggerKev, on May 11 2007, 03:36 PM, said:

...get the hump if mixed in with the fat assers...

Mental image!
ok, i'm done being 12.

I didn't realise there were other organisations involved; I was thinking more from the point of view of posting about impromptu training/social runs, and the races would go in the Races sections (Ultra or other, depending on length).

Edited by azza, 11 May 2007 - 03:54 PM.

[dave1678]

Despite my 100 odd posts I have nothing to do with the categories you're talking about. I thought this thread was about the hojme page where I find the new format a little annoying.
I.e. Races- Boring
Training Nutrition- Boring
Gear-Very boring
Community-boring

I don't know what we'd replace them with but don't we need something a little more inspiring, for example: put gear into community. I haven't checked but aren't some of these threads really old and still on home page.
Suggested new heading: Ultra's, fat-ass, trail and mountain running. Then I wouldn't have to go anywhere else.

[wombatface]

JoggerKev, I'd be against adding more categories, as it's been proven that more categories just makes it harder to find what you're looking for (if a thread is posted in a 'wrong' or 'close to' category, you have to search them all to find it).

I'd suggest changing the title of 'Fat Ass' to 'Trail, Mountain, Fat Ass'.

While I'm here, what's happened to the drop down list near a poster's name?  This was quite an efficient way of finding a thread you'd been following.  It's often easier to remember a person who was contributing to a thread, then you could find the thread using the drop down list.

[Jogger]

wombatface, on May 11 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

JoggerKev, I'd be against adding more categories, as it's been proven that more categories just makes it harder to find what you're looking for (if a thread is posted in a 'wrong' or 'close to' category, you have to search them all to find it).
I'd suggest changing the title of 'Fat Ass' to 'Trail, Mountain, Fat Ass'.

I could live with that, if the TRAQers could. Sometimes in Fatass we do discuss the odd road event also (poor man's comrades)

wombatface, on May 11 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

While I'm here, what's happened to the drop down list near a poster's name?  This was quite an efficient way of finding a thread you'd been following.  It's often easier to remember a person who was contributing to a thread, then you could find the thread using the drop down list.

Que ?

[rohan]

JoggerKev, on May 11 2007, 06:53 AM, said:

Que ?

estamos en corriendo fresco?

[laotze]

rohan, on May 11 2007, 10:05 PM, said:

estamos en corriendo fresco?

porque los pobres no tienen...

no tengo problemas para locar las postas que me quiro a leir.

donde esta tonto?

donde esta la section espanole?

Un hombre muy cuerdo

[Twopennys]

wombatface, on May 11 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

I'd suggest changing the title of 'Fat Ass' to 'Trail, Mountain, Fat Ass'.

Yep - I reckon that works

I've had to laugh a bit lately with talk of fat ass runs of fat asses - you may need a further sub category of "Mongrel Dogs of Running Spotaneous Stupidity" thread - or MDR double Ess for short

[rohan]

awiseman, on May 11 2007, 02:04 PM, said:

porque los pobres no tienen...

no tengo problemas para locar las postas que me quiro a leir.

donde esta tonto?

donde esta la section espanole?

Un hombre muy cuerdo

es de mala educacion llamando alguien como "tonto"!

a kevin, no le gusta los insultos.
si el entiende español, el seria redactando tu carta.

¡muy cuerdo!  ha  ¡muy orgulloso!!

[wombatface]

awiseman, on May 11 2007, 10:04 AM, said:

porque los pobres no tienen...

no tengo problemas para locar las postas que me quiro a leir.

donde esta tonto?

donde esta la section espanole?

Un hombre muy cuerdo

It appears to be working again. I'll try and explain. You used to be able to 'mouseover' (run your mouse over) a person's name next to a thread.  For example, the name 'awiseman'.  This then produced a 'down arrow' (the black triangle pointing down), which then displayed the drop down box with 'View Member Profile, Add as Friend, Send Message, Find Member's Topics, Find Member's Posts'. Now you right click on the person's name to get the drop down box.

This makes it easy for me to now find the Nail Can Hill thread

¡Ahora, vuelvo a las lecciones españolas!

[Jogger]

wf - I think its been working all the time, if not in future then maybe close your browser down or even reboot.

[chilliman]

JoggerKev, on May 12 2007, 11:12 AM, said:

maybe close your browser down or even reboot.

I going to do this now as half of this thread appears to be corrupted


Are you guys trying to insult Kevin, or does he insult you ?

a kevin, no le gusta los insultos

[CoolwalkerDavid]

HOW about

Off Road ( fat ass, mountain,Trail)

hmmm except of course there are lots of fat ass on roads

Kev you will be damned if you don't and damned if you do I reckon



But Track and Field are very different aren't they - so putting these three together doesn't imply they are necessarily connected

fat ass/mountain/trail ( alphabetical for those who ask)

[Greg_Waite]

Quote: "The question was asked by a member of TRAQ and they may get the hump if mixed in with the fat assers as that was a VERY key distinction (refer previous posts by TRAQ members being outspoken on their dislike of fat ass)."

TRAQ (Trail Running Assoc Qld) has a variety of people/opinions - for myself I want to see both more fat-ass (informal) runs here and more organised trail runs. In raising this suggestion I'm thinking of our need to reach newer runners who are less familiar with Coolrunning. It'd be nice to see a more obvious place on the home page for mountain/trail running. Either with AURA or FatAss is arguable; I guess my take on the comments to date is that the Fatass fit is closest.

Whatever call you make after seeing a bit of open debate is fine. Cheers, Greg.

[Kato]

But why a Fatass category at all?  Surely there are more people who are interested in "trail running" as a category than "runs with no organisational structure?"

I mean is there a style or category of running which best suits the M7 Menage-au-trois, the blue labyrinth, the poor man's comerades, and any number of different-yet-similarly-anarchic runs / cycles / multisport events, more so than a style of running which suits trails?

I wouldn't look in a fatass category for a run, specifically.  But I would look in a trail runs category.  Others may differ.

[laotze]

rohan, on May 12 2007, 10:10 AM, said:

es de mala educacion llamando alguien como "tonto"!

a kevin, no le gusta los insultos.
si el entiende español, el seria redactando tu carta.

¡muy cuerdo!  ha  ¡muy orgulloso!!

Si, amigo, por cierto.  Pero educacion? no entiendo.

[rohan]

awiseman, on May 13 2007, 12:14 PM, said:

Si, amigo, por cierto.  Pero educacion? no entiendo.

"es de mala educacion" significa, en ingles "impolite".

and for chilli, the thing about kevin...
i said he didn't like insults and if he knew spanish he might be editing awiseman's post.

[Greg_Waite]

We don't seem to have reached a conclusion here, but I'd still like to see a home for trailrunning.

A final suggestion - expand Fatass to become Fatass / Off-road forum - in the end these two will always be close cousins cos its so hard to get approval for formal events in offroad areas, and lots of work. Also the same readers.

To find a home on the front page, amend Track/Ultra/Tri to Track/Tri/Ultra/Etc (if you take out the space after / it will just fit?) - all these are about specific categories of running.

[Jogger]

I have created a Trail and Mountain Running section now (see http://www.coolrunni...p?showforum=52). I would still prefer that runs longer than 42.2km be put in the ultra section. I guess I just let it drift as i am not totally convinced we need to add a new section, however if there is one for fat ass and one for ultra and one for tris then it kinda makes sense.

the potential for overlap is greater, however we can amend later if we feel the situation warrants it. Certainly I want to encourage the burgeoning trail running crowd to post on CoolRunning.

I have amended the listing on the homepage accordingly.

[Greg_Waite]

Thank Kevin - I appreciate you have to balance up a lot of demands on Coolrunning - will do our best to publicise and use the new forum.