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[Rudolf]

Praque - Czech rep officialy submitted the application to be a candidate to host 2016 olympics.

From memory other candidates are - Japan (Tokyo), Brazil (Rio), Spain ?, one of the middleeast City ???, ...and
Chicago for USA.

The comment was since the 2008 is asia and 2012 europe (OK not real one, but still counts), assumption was there is little chance for Praque or other european candidate, and Japan also seems dubious after China.

It was suggested that america should be next logical place, the comment completely disregarded Brazil and was putting Chicago as clear favorite

[Tiger Boy]

Rudi - I did hear that the Spanish one was Seville. (Sevilla).
Nothing against the USA, but they have probably had more than their fair share of hosting the OG, but then again, with the money it costs to put them on, they are probably one of the few countries that can afford it.
I can't remember any South American country ever having hosted the Olympics, (I believe Mexico is geographically classified as North America), likewise Africa haven't done so either, although I'm not sure how many African nations would be able to afford the infrastructure (which may be Abuja's downfall for the Comm games bid for 2014).
I think that if they went to Rio, this would be the first time that the Southern Hemisphere have hosted the games outside of the 2 in Australia.

[Dom]

Rudolf, on Sep 6 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

2012 europe (OK not real one, but still counts)

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[Rudolf]

sometimes during next 2 weeks is closing date for all aplication to host 2016 olympics.

later this year 5 canditates will be selected, they would have to prepare all teh proposal etc, and the first half of 2008
the selection process will hapen.

[clanrunner]

Dom, on Sep 7 2007, 08:05 AM, said:

QUOTE(Rudolf @ Sep 6 2007, 01:41 PM)
2012 europe (OK not real one, but still counts)

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I consider the UK part of Europe, London is closer to France than Scotland. But island mentality is still strong over here, a lot of people are anti-EU and as far as they're concerned the continent may as well be somewhere in the south Pacific. In other words, plenty of Poms would agree with Rudolf on that matter.
Spain had the Games in '92, but plenty of Catalans would argue that they're not part of Spain

South America surely are due a go by now. Wasn't Buenos Aires the main rival to Melbourne for the '56 games? It's been a long wait though. Europe and the USA have had quite a few Olympics but I guess a lot of the money to hold a Games and the existing stadia etc to use are there and not so much in other places. 2016 will have been 20 years since North America last had the Summer games; it was only 12 between LA and Atlanta. Europe hasn't had consecutive summer Olympics since '52.

It's probably not too far off to have the Olymics in the Middle East, eg Dubai. Seems to be plenty of money there, and also an urge to show it off to the rest of the world.

[Rudolf]

I went to the original source of info again as my memory was not so good, so here are the correct facts :

15 sep is cut off date to lodge prelimanary interst to organize intent.

beginning of 2008 is the time to lodge official application with $100,000 deposit
during 2008 5 candidates will be choosen.

october 2009 is the voting time to select the winner

so far these cities have lodged the indication of interest :

Doha - Qatar
Chicago - USA
Madrid - Spain
Praque - Czech
Rio - Brasil
Tokyo - Japan

will edit if more cities come up till 15/9

[Twopennys]

My money is on the city that has the major events closest to prime time television viewing in the US - been a while since the networks got a pay day out of the games.

[Colin]

Success or failure of Soccer WC will determine whether SA has another stab on behalf of bringing it to Africa for the first time.

Cape Town lost narrowly to Athens for 2004 remember, but I suspect they will wait until 2010 Soccer WC, so perhaps lodge for 2020. Most of the Stadia will be in place anyway.

[yeti]

clanrunner, on Sep 7 2007, 07:10 AM, said:

I consider the UK part of Europe,

Being European myself, I don't.

clanrunner, on Sep 7 2007, 07:10 AM, said:

London is closer to France than Scotland.

Maybe geographically. Politically it is closer to Washington than to Europe and culturally its probably closer to the moon than to France.

Twopennys, on Sep 7 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

My money is on the city that has the major events closest to prime time television viewing in the US - been a while since the networks got a pay day out of the games.

Chicago or Rio, then.
OTOH, in 2016 the most lucrative TV market may well be in Asia (China, India), not the US.

Yeti

[Sparkie]

Melbourne beat Buenos Aires by one vote....

These days the commercial imperative outweighs things like 'continents that are due', so I think Rio is a long shot...

As a voting bloc, Asia and Africa are the largest, but Japan is not popular with most of Asia, and African nations are more interested in attracting investment from bid cities than sharing the hosting duties around, so I don't think they will use their numbers parochially (plus there are no African nations bidd...

Given anti-American sentiments, I think Chicago is also a long shot (the 2012 New York bid got nowhere).

With London getting 2012, I think Seville and Prague are behind the eight-ball...

Doha might be the sleeper...

[Dipster]

I can't see Doha winning the bid. Although it has plenty of money and the television coverage would suit. The finals would be on at around 9am US time and 9pm China time. I think the weather is it's biggest competitor. I think to be able to hold the olympics in a middle eastern city it would have to be in April instead of the traditional july, august months. (Sydney was in September to allow for some warmer weather.)

I think Chicago has a good bid, supported by their stadiums and the lake at their doorstep.

Although continental location doesn't play much of a part in determining the successful bids if Chicago gets 2016, i think we will see Cape Town or Durban put in a strong bid for 2020 (an African city will get soon enough) and Brisbane will have to try their hand at 2024 (could go to europe if south africa get 2020) or 2028.

[blair]

Is Brisbane planning on bidding?

[TrackRunner]

hope so cause i wanna run infront of a home crowd

[EnduranceMachine]

LOVE22RUN, on Jun 23 2009, 06:55 PM, said:

hope so cause i wanna run infront of a home crowd

What event would you run?

[Marmiduke]

Ah, Love2Run... When you make it I'll definitely come to watch, even if it is in Praque. And unless you get gold by a huge margin, I'll shake my head and say, oh, he could have done better if he hadn't spent most of his teenage life resurrecting dead threads on CR. .
Hopefully, I'll be attending myself as a guide runner in the Paralympics. That would be awesome.

[TrackRunner]

yeah nothin like revivng an old thread, it was a cry for attention and it worked lol
HMMMM what event would i do, syncronised swimming looks so cool

[walker1st]

Praque officialy announced they are not into olympics any more 2016 or 2020,

simply in new finacial reality of the old world, they are not wasting any more money
on anything olympics organizing related

[Huff]

Rio de Janeiro

[Phoenix]

Interesting- not even Obama landing amid much fanfare in Airforce 1 could swing the vote.

[EnduranceMachine]

Phoenix, on Oct 3 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

Interesting- not even Obama landing amid much fanfare in Airforce 1 could swing the vote.

There Say Obama Lost It For Chicago

[walker1st]

It can not get any better than this, the best round-voting progression I could have hoped for.

The world is regaining sanity, the rotten civilization is over.

The clear buttkick to Chicago in first round is the best signal the Universe could have delivered to confirm the changeover of civilizations.

There are 2 stories, Chicago and Rio, both having strong implications.

What is worth noting is the hysterical reaction of some australian and some other media to Chicago kick as well as completely primitive reaction of the australian olympic representative to it.
This shows that the sport power structures in this country needs more urgent clean up, than those in South Africa.

Last games of rotten civilization based on crime, violence and deception are symbolicaly at the city of evil nest during the year of end of Mayan calendar.

The first games of new civilization are in Brazil-Rio.

It can get any more symbolic than this.

And on the other note - perhap the Rio games as the first one of the new era could also restore the old games tradition - naked, nude or at least topless

and free from sport power structures and from countries medal counting.

Edited by walker1st, 03 October 2009 - 12:02 PM.

[DontStop]

"crime, violence and deception".

obviously, you've never been to Rio then.

And no, it's not like the Brazilians to be hugely nationalistic when it comes to sport. I mean, it's not like they're obsessed with their national football team or anything.

[walker1st]

this is classic :

[walker1st]

DontStop, on Oct 3 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

And no, it's not like the Brazilians to be hugely nationalistic when it comes to sport. I mean, it's not like they're obsessed with their national football team or anything.

perhaps you understood my post as the organizing country is counting the medal tally.

I was refering to decades old olympic war, where the countries are fighting each other and political systems are fighting each other via olympics medal tally, countries spend huge amount of money to
manufacture medals, to buy medals, they award citizenships for medals, they support various state run steroid insitutes, and there is plenty of incidents of fraud and hoax just to get medal for any case.
This is usualy comming from governement pressure and is administered via sport bodies. It is seldom just the cheating by individual athlete.
This part has nothing to do which country does organize the games, last example was recent T&F Berlin championship - SA to get medal for any case.

What I am saying is, than the 2016 have the chance to be first games to be at least partialy free
from the medal war, as the fact of Chicago kickout and Rio win signals new era

[Bellthorpe]

“To have the president of the United States and his wife personally appear, then this should happen in the first round is awful and totally undeserving,” senior Australian IOC member Kevan Gosper said.

What a stupid, facile thing to say. What, because Mr and Mrs Obama fronted they should stay in?

[Paul Every]

I agree BT. I understand that the heads of state of two of other the bidding countries were also in attendance.

Roy Masters made the point on ABC's Offsiders that the Chicago bid was the only one not underwritten by its respective government. No wonder the IOC baulked at their bid.