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[bendigo]

There - I've said it.

Read on at your own discretion.

I am seeking some "advice" from CR's to supplement my ongoing medical treatment.

Over the last year I have had a couple of "banding" operations to correct some bleeding from Haemorrhoids. Initially the discovery was scary, but during the course of the first operation it was established that there was no sinister cause - it is just a nuisance (not even particularly painful or uncomfortable).

After the first op, the problem recurred even though I made serious efforts to attend to diet, etc (which should not have been a problem anyway).

The same banding was then tried again, and the "problem" has again proved to be obstinate and recurred.

On the basis that it is madness to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result, I am now looking at having a more drastic Haemorrhoidectomy in the middle of the year, which will keep me in hospital for a few days, and be very uncomfortable for up to three weeks.

Over the period, for a whole range of reasons, I had pretty much given running away, but have kept weight and fitness under control despite a fairly sedentary job.

In the last week, we have managed to get away for a week on the Gold Coast (first break in over twelve months), and I made a special effort to get up and head out for a couple of decent early morning runs (about 7 - 8 kms each).

Took them steady, and actually felt pretty good afterwards, BUT discovered that there was subsequently considerably more bleeding than I have come to accept as "normal".


I will be certainly referring my question to my surgeon, but until I can arrange that, do any CR's have experience of this awkward condition, and did you find that running had a deleterious impact on it?

Thanks,

bendigo

[mgi11a]

Iv'e never suffered with them to the same extent you do but I have found a pretty well sure fire method of avoiding them and thats shower or wash after #2's, has cured them for a few years now.

[Cato]

This is a sensitive subject. I suffered the same problems as you for a long time and can only say that finally having the full operation was the best thing I have ever done. I honestly don't understand why I suffered so long with all the bleeding which at times was really bad.
Sure it was painful and uncomfotable for a while but it did not really have a big impact on my running.
Having lived in Bendigo and having also been involved withn a lot of doctors and surgeons there, I can only reccomend that you find a good specialist in Melbourne. That is only my personal opinion but if you want a good colo-rectal surgeon you won't find him in Bendigo.
The operation has made a world of difference and I think you already know yourself that you are just stalling the inevitable.
Go ahead and get the op.

Cato

Edited by Cato, 01 February 2008 - 10:59 AM.

[TRAVY]

This has been covered before. A search may find it.

My story in brief.
First time banding , mild discomfort for 24 hours.
Second time, Five years later , the surgeon went to do the banding and I hit the roof. So he said that I had to come back in 1 week (privet insurance) and have a operation under general anesthetic.
After the 1/2 hour operation
Excruciating pain for 1 week. The only relief was 1/2 hour in bath 5 times per day. Having a crap was like shitting razor blades.

Anyway hopefully over it now.
I have been told to eat rolled oats because they are a good source of SOLUBLE FIBER.
Also I had to drink more water.

The surgeon at the Shepparton private hospital said he can do 5 roid operations per day

I would be interested if any veggies/vegans out there have had roids .

[AlunDavies]

bendigo, on Jan 31 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

There - I've said it.

Read on at your own discretion.

I am seeking some "advice" from CR's to supplement my ongoing medical treatment.

Over the last year I have had a couple of "banding" operations to correct some bleeding from Haemorrhoids. Initially the discovery was scary, but during the course of the first operation it was established that there was no sinister cause - it is just a nuisance (not even particularly painful or uncomfortable).

After the first op, the problem recurred even though I made serious efforts to attend to diet, etc (which should not have been a problem anyway).

The same banding was then tried again, and the "problem" has again proved to be obstinate and recurred.

I'll share something with you.

6½ years ago I had an operation to remove what I originally thought was a tumour. It was an anal fistula (I'll let you look it up - unfortunate name).

I won't bore you with the details but to put it bluntly, a good day for me is if I don't bleed when I wipe my backside. This is how it will be for the rest of my life. To add to this, as I grow older, the effects of the two operations I had will mean that my muscular control will weaken and I will at some point, undoubtedly, become incontinent.

The pain after both operations was indescribeable.

Now, this isn't the same as you have, but I would suggest that you cut to the chase and have the operation to cut them out. Diet will only subdue it and you will always have to closely monitor your diet if you really want to keep it at bay.

If you have it done properly, you will have a couple of weeks at most of pain/discomfort/inconvenience and it will be all over.

Further to this, if you have it done and carry on with your current diet, you may well have the same problem in ten years time!

Hope this is a help.

Cheers

Taff

Edited by TaffTrail, 14 February 2008 - 01:23 AM.

[Mars]

I once had a partner who suffered from haemi's. Her mother also had them.

Anyway, Teresa once told us how she knew how to cure them with acupuncture and a special herbal topical lotion used by the Chinese.

It worked wonderfully for her. No need for her to have any surgery. Her birth mother later confided in her that she had had the problem years ago and had ahd the operation, because at that stage she hadn't considered Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Now if there is any recurrence of the problem she just goes to Teresa and doesn't need an operation.

Teresa Lee at Wynard Acupuncture clinic (02) 9231 2160

For any health issue it is often worth just giving Teresa a call to see if you can get these things treated naturally without need for surgery. Often you can. I go to her whenever I feel like I am getting a cold and have avoided antibiotics for years as a consequence, which was all the GP ever used to give me as a kid - Amoxycillin all the time. I don't like the idea of antibiotics but appreciate their value in emergency situations.

I hope this helps you avoid more surgery, and more importantly, gets you back running.

Best of luck,

Love Mars.

[Colsy]

I'll risk everything and contribute here.
I can see the other CRs snickering at a drinks night already.

I have had them in mild doses but they tend to go berzerk if I drink hard liquor such as Bourbon or eat crap food for extended periods. For me the best cure has been a high fibre diet. So long as I am getting plenty of fibre each day they never rear their ugly heads.

[Bellthorpe]

Mars, on Apr 4 2008, 10:07 PM, said:

For any health issue it is often worth just giving Teresa a call to see if you can get these things treated naturally without need for surgery. Often you can. I go to her whenever I feel like I am getting a cold and have avoided antibiotics for years as a consequence, which was all the GP ever used to give me as a kid - Amoxycillin all the time. I don't like the idea of antibiotics but appreciate their value in emergency situations.

I'm not understanding this. Antibiotics are not a valid treatment for a cold. So by taking acupuncture for a cold, you haven't avoided them ...

[bendigo]

Done - last Thursday.

The pain has been indescribable - got out of hospital yesterday.

Birthday today - my darling wife bought me a doughnut shaped air cushion - at the moment I would genuinely say that it is the best present I have ever received!

Running is still a while off - need to walk properly again first.

But it can only get better from here.

[chookrunner]

Well done Bendigo, had I seen this thread the first time around I would have agreed with what Cato said. Having the op was the best thing I did, after the excruciating pain subsides, life becomes a "hole" lot better.

[AlunDavies]

bendigo, on Jun 30 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

Done - last Thursday.

The pain has been indescribable - got out of hospital yesterday.

Birthday today - my darling wife bought me a doughnut shaped air cushion - at the moment I would genuinely say that it is the best present I have ever received!

Running is still a while off - need to walk properly again first.

But it can only get better from here.

Much empathy mate, but you've done the right thing.

[Sunset]

Just curious... is this condition caused by poor diet?

[walshy2]

Sunset, on Jun 30 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Just curious... is this condition caused by poor diet?

I think it depends sunset...some people have a propensity for them more than others.
A high fibre diet is recommended and whatever you do, never ever ever strain on the loo when doin a two!

walshy

[Gratgirl]

Psyllium
buy it at the supermarket, health food shop, wherever you can find it, buy it in capsules if you are flying long distances, if you are really rich buy the sweeter drink variety, (whose name I won't use) if you take regular medications check with your pharmacist (or just google to find out if you should be careful about taking it) but a spoonful on my muesli every morning is magic.

Grat

[AlunDavies]

walshy2, on Jun 30 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

I think it depends sunset...some people have a propensity for them more than others.
A high fibre diet is recommended and whatever you do, never ever ever strain on the loo when doin a two!

walshy

Predominantly diet, but as Walshy says, you can be more prone to it, as you can be to many other ailments.

Rule of thumb is that if you're getting plenty of fibre, it's not something you're likely to have to worry about unless you're pregnant and that's a whole other thread.

[Rudolf]

my brother ended up wis surgery years ago, here in Melb, and it was a disaster. Years later back in europe doctors could not belive, what was done here, he had second surgery over there to repair the first surgery.

anyway, the situation forced him to become vegetarian practicaly, whenever he fails in this regards he suffers.

My friend - accupuncturist and chinese doc, always says that few needles will fix it easily, however this is only temporary, unless person changes lifestyle.

yes it is all in nutrition, typical balanced diet will just not do, but this is the case win 90% of health issues not just hemmerroids.

some theories works with the concept that hemmoroids are sign of heavy toxicity and the acute state means accute guts poisoning - irritation.

I used to have some issues with this also, but allways the proper nutrition would settle it within days, some people react to spices, hot meals, chemical drinks. From my observation, people who are suffering this, have diet based on burned fats and burned animal proteins, so we talking here BBQ and baking meats predominantly.

The whole issue is more complicated by the fact of chronic dehydration of 99% of population. The fact that person does pee few times a day has nothing to do with indication of dehydration or not, the fact of peeing is simply the kidneys getting rid of toxins and using water for it, kidneys will do this even in dehydrated state.

The correct nutrition, with proper hydration should restore within few weeks the natural ability to poo 3-5 x per day without any effort or strain.

This can be achieved by various nutritional protocols, not just by 1 possible diet system, and I know personaly many people achieved this state, and I personaly know very well, when I am in this state or when I failled and am struggling.

the wild animals, who are not fed by humans (also animal kept by humans who feed them proper stuff), are pooping few times a day, some of them are pooping all the time. these are not strict carnivors however.

Edited by Rudolf, 01 July 2008 - 08:05 AM.