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[serena]

Does anyone know where in Sydney to get Endura Magnesium Rehydration? I use it, think its good, want to find out where to get it for my father in law who is in Sydney (Rose Bay). I'm in Perth otherwise I'd pop out and grab some for him.
thanks
SJ

[BoneyChic]

Hi

This site may help.


here

Boney

[serena]

Hi BoneyChic - got an error message with that link, are you able to post it again?
thanks,
sj

[freakyfeet_86]

sjnathan, on May 31 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Does anyone know where in Sydney to get Endura Magnesium Rehydration? I use it, think its good, want to find out where to get it for my father in law who is in Sydney (Rose Bay). I'm in Perth otherwise I'd pop out and grab some for him.
thanks
SJ

runners world at edgecliffe

[BoneyChic]

Sorry,

The website is www.endura.com.au


Boney

[serena]

great - thanks for this info BoneyChic and freakyfeet.
cheers,
sj

[Phoenix]

I have bought this before at GNC stores.

[walshy2]

you can also get it at DVC (discount vitamin centres). There is one I think in Market st??? in the City. Keep in mind you can also get this online and usually cheaper.

[run to the hills]

a lot of bike shops have it as do health stores in Westfields cross Sydney.

Bondi Westfield I think would cater for the upper end of the market with everything including sports drinks.

[batavia]

How does somthing like this stack up aginst drinking say Gatorade ?

[Rudolf]

the best and cheapest form of powdered magnesium is Epsom Salt from any supermarket.

[emjay]

sjnathan, on Jun 1 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone know where in Sydney to get Endura Magnesium Rehydration? I use it, think its good, want to find out where to get it for my father in law who is in Sydney (Rose Bay). I'm in Perth otherwise I'd pop out and grab some for him.
thanks
SJ

Macro Wholefoods in Bondi Junction, not far from Rose Bay

[Tim 2]

Rudolf, on Jun 2 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

the best and cheapest form of powdered magnesium is Epsom Salt from any supermarket.

Epsom salt is a laxative so if your not careful you'll be running in more ways than one.

Tim

[Rudolf]

Tim 2, on Jun 3 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

Epsom salt is a laxative so if your not careful you'll be running in more ways than one.

Tim

magnesium is relaxant and so if taken in bigger amount it works as laxative too.

You probable can make endura concentrated enough to work as expensive laxative too.


The relaxing effect of epsom salt is so great, that if taken as part of correct procedure, it will relax all the tubing around the liver and gall blader to help release all teh liver-GB stones,

and yes it relaxes the guts very well.

quite an experience on its own.


Magnesium in endura is not different to magnesium in epsom salt, so the 100xmore cost of endura magnesium is only justified because is sold to runners.

[serena]

Rudolf, on Jun 3 2008, 05:14 AM, said:

the best and cheapest form of powdered magnesium is Epsom Salt from any supermarket.

Thanks for the pointers everyone.
Rudolph, I had no idea you could ingest Epsom salts. I had a bath in them several hours after my long run on Saturday (was quite amazed at how much better I felt). I noticed Tim2 said they can have a laxative effect-do you know what quantity you can take?
sj

[serena]

just had a look at epsom salt and found some interesting info:
http://www.epsomsalt...g/about_faq.htm
sj

[TFive]

walshy2, on Jun 1 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

you can also get it at DVC (discount vitamin centres). There is one I think in Market st??? in the City. Keep in mind you can also get this online and usually cheaper.

Ozepharmacy Hornsby sells Endura - at $21  it's the cheapest place I've found to buy it . You can also order from them online.

Edited by TFive, 03 June 2008 - 01:29 PM.

[Rudolf]

sjnathan, on Jun 3 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

Thanks for the pointers everyone.
Rudolph, I had no idea you could ingest Epsom salts. I had a bath in them several hours after my long run on Saturday (was quite amazed at how much better I felt). I noticed Tim2 said they can have a laxative effect-do you know what quantity you can take?
sj

well of course You can indegst epsom salt, as opose to endura is free from sugars, additives colourings and some other garbage...

how much, just put few grains into cup of water and analyze the taste, quickly You will become familiar with the very specific taste of it, try increasing the concentration.

in the liver cleaning procedures it is half tea spoon in a cup and it is taken 4x with 2 hours appart.

some women also report that if they epson salt during painfull periods, teh pain, cramps etc dissapear quickly, but I could not comment on this from personal experience, sorrry.

before we get all worked up by availability of cheap chemical powders, just remeber that magnesium is part of many foods and is much better choice, so just check some tables for magnesium contents of various fruits and vegs and some nuts and dried fruits.

the best hydrating sport drinks are made from blending water with banans or and cellery or and dates or and sultanas etc etc, there are runners who have such a mizture in their hydration backpack during ultras, just would not openly advertise it...


personaly I would never take drink such as Endura.

[Tim 2]

Rudolf, on Jun 2 2008, 06:37 PM, said:

The relaxing effect of epsom salt is so great, that if taken as part of correct procedure, it will relax all the tubing around the liver and gall blader to help release all teh liver-GB stones,

Not recommended in any medical literature i've read!!!  

Rudolf, on Jun 2 2008, 06:37 PM, said:

Magnesium in endura is not different to magnesium in epsom salt, so the 100xmore cost of endura magnesium is only justified because is sold to runners.

The magnesium is the same but in epsom salt it is in the form of magnesium sulphate (a mineral salt) and in endura it is bound to amino acids.  Is the overall benefit the same for the same dose equal.  Most probably but the side effect profiles are quite different.
Epsom salt as a magnesium supplement in small doses daily is probably not going to have adverse effects but in an electrolyte drink taken during exercise i'd be cautious.

Tim

[serena]

Rudolf, on Jun 3 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

well of course You can indegst epsom salt, as opose to endura is free from sugars, additives colourings and some other garbage...

before we get all worked up by availability of cheap chemical powders, just remeber that magnesium is part of many foods and is much better choice, so just check some tables for magnesium contents of various fruits and vegs and some nuts and dried fruits.

the best hydrating sport drinks are made from blending water with banans or and cellery or and dates or and sultanas etc etc, there are runners who have such a mizture in their hydration backpack during ultras, just would not openly advertise it...


personaly I would never take drink such as Endura.

This makes sense to me, thank you Rudolf. I have only recently started drinking endura; it was recommended to me by a cyclist mate. But your comments remind me of some of the teachings at the Weston A Price Foundation http://www.westonaprice.org/  (are you familiar with their work? I just ask because some of your posts seem to fit with some of their beliefs about how to source nutrients) which is basically about finding what your body needs through local seasonal foods, not chemically "enhanced" products.
Anyway, thanks again - food for thought.
sj

[serena]

just want to add I am not trying to push weston a price at all - just something I got interested in when i did some organic cooking classes a couple of years back!
sj

[Rudolf]

Tim 2, on Jun 3 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

Not recommended in any medical literature i've read!!!

yes of course,
thats the rule of the game,
what works and does not need the drugs,
will not be writen in the medical books


however the whole procedure is much more complex that that and the epsom salt is only small part of it.

I have done it few months ago and was surprized at what kind of different stuff come out of me

Edited by Rudolf, 03 June 2008 - 02:53 PM.

[serena]

Rudolf I just read that article  by Ehret; interesting! I don't think I could follow the mucusless diet talks of, but reading about his clinic, seems like it helped a lot of very sick people who couldn't otherwise be helped.
sj

[Tim 2]

Internet 101

Rule 1
Don't believe everything you read.


Contrary to popular belief mucous actually serves a purpose in the body and is not the root of all evils.
I too decided to read the article.  It descibes epilepsy as "attacks showing froth at the mouth, mucous."  Hardly the most important or relevant features of epilepsy.  This is nonsense masquerading as science.  I would be happy to write an essay debunking this nonsense for rudolf and anyone else who believes it.  Here is not the place.

Rudolf, on Jun 2 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

I have done it few months ago and was surprized at what kind of different stuff come out of me

Why doesn't that surprize me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The healthy liver is perfectly capable of cleaning itself.  Why subject the body to this "treatment" which almost certainly ended in diarrhoea and a loss of water (dehydration) and minerals from the body.

Tim

Edited by Tim 2, 03 June 2008 - 03:40 PM.

[Rudolf]

Tim 2, on Jun 3 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

Internet 101

Rule 1
Don't believe everything you read.


Contrary to popular belief mucous actually serves a purpose in the body and is not the root of all evils.
I too decided to read the article.  It descibes epilepsy as "attacks showing froth at the mouth, mucous."  Hardly the most important or relevant features of epilepsy.  This is nonsense masquerading as science.  I would be happy to write an essay debunking this nonsense for rudolf and anyone else who believes it.  Here is not the place.


Why doesn't that surprize me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The healthy liver is perfectly capable of cleaning itself.  Why subject the body to this "treatment" which almost certainly ended in diarrhoea and a loss of water (dehydration) and minerals from the body.

Tim

Tim what does not surprize me, is Your commenting on something You have absolutely no idea.

If You have never done it, You have no chance to get it.

Virgin lecturing on sex and orgasm


and thank You, for Your kind offer, but I am absolutely not interested in Your view on Ehret, again You have never followed the nutritional system, so You do not have a clue.

I have , many times for longer period of time, so I know what it does.

Tim , do not believe the stuff from medical books and studies, the results are prepaid for,
they are not intended to give people health

Edited by Rudolf, 03 June 2008 - 04:37 PM.

[Tim 2]

Rudolf, on Jun 3 2008, 12:35 AM, said:

Tim , do not believe the stuff from medical books and studies, the results are prepaid for,
they are not intended to give people health

Rudolf you have just accused me and every other coolrunner who works in medical research or conventional healthcare of corruption and /or collusion with corruption.  And you don't even provide evidence for your assertion.

I have worked in medical research and the results were not predetermined nor paid for by the pharmaceutical industry.  To have an accountable medical system there must be trials of drugs to see if one works better than others or works at all.  Much research is funded by public (government) research grant or private philanthropy.  Some of these trials are funded by drug companies but they are usually done by independent individuals and in double blinded (neither patient or doctor knows which treatment is being taken until after the outcomes have been reported) randomised (patients randomly assigned to treatment A or treatment B ) controlled (new treatment compared to existing best treatment or placebo if no treatment currently exists) trials.  If these standards are not met the outcomes are viewed with skepticism by the medical profession and drug approval agencies.  Drug companies sometimes do their own internal studies.  These must also meet the standards.  There can be publication bias (company only publishes studies demostrating positive outcomes for their treatment) but lack of evidence for a treatment is mostly viewed in the same way as negative evidence.

I currently work in healthcare and drug companies do not pay me or influence me in any way.  My employer (NSW health) negotiates prices with drug companies for products that are used in the hospital and the best price wins.  Drug companies have no influence on how i prescribe medicine or whether i prescribe some other form of treatment.  One of the biggest rorts in paediatrics is "cough medicines."  Community pharmacies are full of them.  When asked which is best by parents i routinely recommend not to use any and the hospitals i work in don't stock them.  They do not change the outcome of the disease (usually an upper respiratory tract viral infection) and have little if any benefit over paracetamol in symptom control with significantly greater incidence of side effects.  If the child has pneumonia I'm happy to prescribe antibiotics because pneumonia kills people or at least makes them quite sick and there is little doubt that antibiotics cure pneumonia.

Sorry for the highjack but i need to defend myself against unsubstantiated allegations of such a serious nature.

Tim

Edited by Tim 2, 03 June 2008 - 07:52 PM.

[FatboyCsaba]

sjnathan, on Jun 1 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone know where in Sydney to get Endura Magnesium Rehydration? I use it, think its good, want to find out where to get it for my father in law who is in Sydney (Rose Bay). I'm in Perth otherwise I'd pop out and grab some for him.
thanks
SJ

I gobbed in Mizone sports drink at the 10km mark at the Doomben HM and then I felt like crap. At the 15km mark I gobbed up Endura from the drink station and felt energized. Hence I upped my pace to 5 min per km to bring it home strong.

Yes. I think Endura magnesium hydration does work!

[JustinS007]

FatboyCsaba, on Jun 30 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

I gobbed in Mizone sports drink at the 10km mark at the Doomben HM and then I felt like crap. At the 15km mark I gobbed up Endura from the drink station and felt energized. Hence I upped my pace to 5 min per km to bring it home strong.

Yes. I think Endura magnesium hydration does work!

Any interest in the product that perhaps you should disclose?  Seems to be a lot of 'bashing' other products and 'spruiking' Endura going on today.

[Didge]

FatboyCsaba, on Jun 30 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Yes. I think Endura magnesium hydration does work!

Yes, Endura magnesium does work! It actually gives me the runs..........

[KRW]

I think you should try it for yourself and assess it's worth.

Personally, I was initially very skeptical of Endura, but have found it makes a big difference to performance and recovery. And the taste is a whole lot more palatable compared to a DIY version of Epsom Salts or similar.

Also, well said Tim in response to Rudolf.

There's nothing wrong with being passionate about your personal beliefs Rudolf, but there's a lot to be said for respecting different points-of-view.

Trashing others whilst hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard seems an all too common theme on CR.