Breast Cancer - Is Running Helpful Or Not ?
#1
Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:56 AM
We are devastated.
Will see surgeon today to organize lumpectomy or mastectomy and testing of lymph nodes.
That will happen next week. Then, radiotherapy, chemo, etc.
Robimum and I have been married 20 years and have 4 children. She restarted running again late last year after heel pain resolved, and she ran the SMH Half Marathon a month or 2 ago. I am so proud of her. She was aiming for her first marathon in September. In fact she was due to run 25km tomorrow morning. That will not happen of course, and she wont be able to run the marathon.
But should she run a little? Running goals are on the back burner of course. After surgery would she benefit from a little running, or conserve energy for the bigger battle.
Regards
Run2Work
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#2
Posted 13 June 2008 - 12:13 PM
I'm no expert so I can only tell you of this experience : I have a friend who is currently fighting bowel cancer and he has tried to keep up activity when he could - pilates, yoga, walks, gym etc and has enjoyed it I think. My only other thought is that Lance Armstrong continued to ride throughout his illness so I guess some activity is OK?
Anyway, just wanted to wish you well and I hope some of the experts can give you some good advice
#3
Posted 13 June 2008 - 12:19 PM
run2work, on Jun 13 2008, 11:56 AM, said:
But should she run a little? Running goals are on the back burner of course. After surgery would she benefit from a little running, or conserve energy for the bigger battle.
Regards
Run2Work
I'm very sad to hear it. Although not qualified at all, I would think tiredness and nausea needs to be balanced (as best it can) against trying to stay fit & focused. So I would say whatever she wants to do whenever she wants to do it, support her 1000%. It reads like you will.
My cousin is just going on chemo after finding lumps and she is more courageously prepared for all possibilities (I think) than everybody else around her. She has developed a more positive attitude than I have ever seen in her. I wish the same for your wife.
db.
#4
Posted 13 June 2008 - 12:49 PM
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Absolutely!
#5
Posted 13 June 2008 - 01:02 PM
When my wife had cancer, life revolved around chemo. She was either sick as a result of just having had it, or a little better so it must be time for the next session. Some days I had to help her up from the couch, and at other times she was reasonably well and we went on pub crawls and got outrageously drunk together.
Keeping fit became a very low priority. It seemed that survival was all that mattered (not the cancer, the treatment). Yet when she was well enough to go for a bit of a walk, she enjoyed it.
All I can suggest is that she do whatever she feels capable of. It can only help to keep some fitness.
Best wishes ...
#6
Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:01 PM
#7
Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:11 PM
All I can think of is that not only will fitness be beneficial but perhaps more importantly, some long term goals will give some hope. There wont be a lot of running immediately but some kind of goal will keep the mind looking forward. Yours and hers!
#8
Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:25 PM
Thank you for your support. I have not got the cancer but I feel like I do.
Robimum is very precious and I cannot bear the thought of her dying before me. I would happily take the illness from her if I could.
In a about an hour we are seeing the surgeon to plan surgery for next week from which more test results will be known and further treatment can be instigated.
It is not the end of the world, and we will get through it with our faith in God being paramount to us.
Already, our relationship has deepened in each other. And support from others flood in for her.
It is funny. She is a big fan of Glen Mcgrath the cricketer. His wife battles cancer. And we saw Kerry Mcann win the marathon at the 2006 Commonwealth games. She battles cancer. I appears to be everywhere affecting people of all types and fitness levels.
My advice to all women CR is make sure you get to your doctor preferably a female one who is an expert in the field. Youth and fitness will not prevent breast cancer.
Regards
Run2Work
#9
Posted 13 June 2008 - 05:21 PM
From reading Lance Armstrongs book I guess the most important thing to do is to keep a positive attitude.
Best wishes to both of you at this time.
#10
Posted 13 June 2008 - 06:00 PM
I wanted to share something with you. Hope that it is appropriate its by Emily Pearl Kingsley. She wrote it when she had a child that was disabled. While this isnt about your situation, it is about when you thought you were going some place (a healthy life) and you end up going somewhere else It's like this . . .
When you're going to have a baby (or a healthy life) , it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guidebooks and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum, the Michalangelo David, the gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting. After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go.
Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes and says, "Welcome to Holland." "Holland?" you say. "What do you mean Holland? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy." But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay. The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place. So you go out and buy new guidebooks. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met. It's just a different place. It's slower paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around, and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills, Holland has tulips, Holland even has Rembrandts. But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy, and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say, "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned." The pain of that will never go away, because the loss of that dream is a very significant loss. But if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you will never be free to enjoy the very special, very lovely things about Holland.
I hope that at this time of darkness and uncertainty, that you will find the strength to hold each other up, to laugh and cry with with each other, to focus on what youve got and what youve had.
You are in mine and other CRs thoughts and prayers.
Frank in SA
Edited by SouthAustralian, 13 June 2008 - 06:03 PM.
#11
Posted 13 June 2008 - 06:10 PM
I can recommend Lance Armstrong's books too. There is a lot of positive thought through the books ... ways that he coped with cancer and some idea of how much he was able to exercise through different parts of his treatment.
Frank's analogy of going to a different place might be correct. Instead of running, it might be walking. From people that I know who have experienced this it is really important to: research the condition and be empowered with knowledge regarding treatment and options; enjoy every moment together and continue to plan for the future together.
Take care
Sincerely
Sonya (sunny1)
#12
Posted 13 June 2008 - 07:01 PM
SouthAustralian, on Jun 13 2008, 06:00 PM, said:
I wanted to share something with you. Hope that it is appropriate its by Emily Pearl Kingsley. She wrote it when she had a child that was disabled. While this isnt about your situation, it is about when you thought you were going some place (a healthy life) and you end up going somewhere else It's like this . . .
When you're going to have a baby (or a healthy life) , it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guidebooks and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum, the Michalangelo David, the gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting. After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go.
Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes and says, "Welcome to Holland." "Holland?" you say. "What do you mean Holland? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy." But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay. The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place. So you go out and buy new guidebooks. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met. It's just a different place. It's slower paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around, and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills, Holland has tulips, Holland even has Rembrandts. But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy, and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say, "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned." The pain of that will never go away, because the loss of that dream is a very significant loss. But if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you will never be free to enjoy the very special, very lovely things about Holland.
I hope that at this time of darkness and uncertainty, that you will find the strength to hold each other up, to laugh and cry with with each other, to focus on what youve got and what youve had.
You are in mine and other CRs thoughts and prayers.
Frank in SA
I hope that Holland smiles upon you and your wife, and shows you beauty and gifts that you had never before imagined.
My mother battled Brain cancer 4 years ago and she continually told people she was in Holland. It's a wonderful analogy. I think Frank has passed on some wisdom which you will make use of when the time is right. I don't want to romanticise what you are about to deal with - just to send (((HUGS))) and prayers your way.
#13
Posted 13 June 2008 - 07:53 PM
#14 Guest_staypuff_*
Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:07 PM
Edited by staypuff, 14 June 2008 - 11:54 AM.
#15
Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:32 PM
#16
Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:58 AM
You will need all the strength and patience you need for a marathon to get through this, but I'm sure you will, as Staypuff is doing so bravely herself (I would be so scared about the location of that tumour, Staypuff, I admire your courage!) Remember to pace yourself, just get through it day by day. I know you will get heaps of support from the CRs on this board, please add mine to the list, my thoughts and hopes will be with you.
#17
Posted 14 June 2008 - 09:12 AM
#18
Posted 14 June 2008 - 09:44 AM
What a wonderful bunch of people you guys are, with the show of support that has been given through posts and pm's.
Robimum saw the the surgeon yeterday and will have the surgery 23rd followed by possibly chemo then definately radiotherapy in Newcastle where her sister lives. It will be big change of routine for her, but the outlook is good with all the treatment planned.
Breast cancer apparently is the most curably of all the cancers.
Robimum had absolutely no risk factors what so ever, but still got it.
This morning she went for a run, with me tagging along, (ignoring my dodgy knee, who cares now about an old bung knee, got more important worries like my dear wife). She went like the wind running as fast as I have ever known her for 5 km. I guess making the most of the ability to run, until monday week when she wont be able to.
Thanks all. You are beautiful!!
Regards
Run2Work
#19
Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:00 AM
#20
Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:44 PM
It's going to be a weird time, the next year ahead, but I will try to find days when I feel well enough to run. And bring on that marathon...I am deternmined to complete one...someday!
Thanks again,
Robimum
#21
Posted 14 June 2008 - 09:27 PM
robimum, on Jun 14 2008, 08:44 PM, said:
Thanks again,
Robimum
Robimum, I am sure God is working his plan for you. Your faith is well-founded!
dropbear.
#22
Posted 15 June 2008 - 05:17 PM
I thought I might just recommend a couple of organisations who support people with cancer and their family. You might not feel you need them yet but it doesn't hurt to be informed.
The Cancer Council
Carers NSW
and if your kids are under 26
Young Carers Program
#23
Posted 15 June 2008 - 06:27 PM
I think the advice re whether to run has been well covered, so just let me add my best wishes to your family for a speedy recovery.
rgds
walshy
#24
Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:44 PM
I don't even know you, Robimum, but my thoughts are with you, and I just wanted to wish you a speedy recovery back to full health.
#25
Posted 16 June 2008 - 04:40 PM
PlodBod, on Jun 16 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
I don't even know you, Robimum, but my thoughts are with you, and I just wanted to wish you a speedy recovery back to full health.
#26
Posted 17 June 2008 - 08:06 AM
Robimum appreciates your prayers, thoughts and best wishes.
Last night the two youngest kids wet their beds after being dry for months. They both had nightmares about theirs mums illness. We have done our best to educate them about what is going on without trying to frighten them. Oh well guess that has not worked too well.
Both of us know that the illness has potentially a good prognosis, and we know that we have a trustworthy God who will look after us even unto death, but we are still frightened of the future.
Next Monday Robimum has the first step of treatment, that being the surgery for tumour removal and lymph node exploration. May it come quickly.
Better news for me on the running front. After being out of running to a dodgy knee for months, I have able to run 2 or 3 km at a time without much discomfort. An MRI a couple of weeks ago showed that I did not have a degenerative medial meniscus which I incorrectly self diagnosed. Instead, I have a Bakers cyst albeit the size of a golf ball which stops my knee from bending fully.
When Robimum is well I will get something done about it. In the mean time I can run a few kms, not be away from the family for long and enjoy the stress relieving benefits of 'a run'.
Regards
Run2Work
#27
Posted 17 June 2008 - 08:31 AM
Thanks for keeping us all in mind but don't feel the need! I reckon those couple of minutes can be best spent with the kids if they're around. If I don't see you online for a couple of months I'll be pleased (in a nice sort of way).
Best wishes for Monday, and for the days and weeks afterwards.
db.
#28
Posted 23 June 2008 - 08:29 AM
For those that are praying and thinking of Robimum today I say thank you.
This afternoon she has the surgery to remove the cancer lump and affected lymph nodes.
She has been hit hard by the death of Jane McGrath yesterday. We met her and her husband last year at the Sydney marathon Running festival. Robimum and the kids chatted to them during the 4km walk. I met Glenn after the marathon. He is an ordinary yet awesome man. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
Special thanks to those CR who have sent PM's of support.
Regards
Run2Work
#29
Posted 23 June 2008 - 08:51 AM
Try to think positively! My sister had breast cancer some years ago - one of the most virulent forms (the cancer had started to spread) - and the situation looked very grim. But she managed to beat it after intensive chemotherapy and is alive and well today. The survival rate for breast cancer is much higher than it used to be.
Here's hoping for a happy outcome.
#30
Posted 23 June 2008 - 08:57 AM
#31
Posted 23 June 2008 - 10:03 AM
#32
Posted 23 June 2008 - 10:09 AM
#33
Posted 23 June 2008 - 12:00 PM
run2work, on Jun 23 2008, 07:59 AM, said:
For those that are praying and thinking of Robimum today I say thank you.
This afternoon she has the surgery to remove the cancer lump and affected lymph nodes.
She has been hit hard by the death of Jane McGrath yesterday. We met her and her husband last year at the Sydney marathon Running festival. Robimum and the kids chatted to them during the 4km walk. I met Glenn after the marathon. He is an ordinary yet awesome man. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
Special thanks to those CR who have sent PM's of support.
Regards
Run2Work
I'll be thinking of you all this afternoon. Let the Doctors do their work, let God do what he does best, let yourself be calm/angry/worried/peaceful....whatever...just 'be' this afternoon...and be kind to yourself.
Please give us an update when you can.
Love and hugs to you all as a family
Frank
#34
Posted 24 June 2008 - 01:57 PM
Robimum had the surgery to remove the cancer out of her breast. It was not too big, about the size of the end of the little finger. Using radioactive dye injected in the morning, 4 lymph nodes that the tumour drained to, were removed and sent for pathology. The 'margins' of the tumour were also sent to pathology. Those results will be back in nine days or less.
We are hoping that the cancer is not in those nodes or margins.
She is coming home today,and will recuperate for the next few days.
Next step is chemo if the 'margins' or lymph nodes are cancerous.
After healing, radiotherapy in Newcastle.
Already she is missing work. She is a maths teacher, the most popular teacher at the school!
But no work, and running until she is well enough for it to be good for her.
Thanks again for all those coolrunners concerned for us. The support has helped her, but also me, a lot!
Regards
Run2Work
#35
Posted 24 June 2008 - 01:59 PM
run2work, on Jun 24 2008, 01:57 PM, said:
Thanks again for all those coolrunners concerned for us. The support has helped her, but also me, a lot!
Regards
Run2Work
R2W,
We appreciate the update. Let's hope the tests are good.
Thanks,
db.
Edited by dropbear, 24 June 2008 - 02:00 PM.
#36
Posted 24 June 2008 - 02:11 PM
run2work, on Jun 24 2008, 01:27 PM, said:
Regards
Run2Work
mate....Im thrilled <Frank dancing a dance of joy here>....
TYJ.....
keep us up to date...daily if neccessary!
Frank
#37
Posted 24 June 2008 - 03:04 PM
Sorry to read about the recent events your family is going through. I hope news from yesterday's surgery and tests brings you a sense of peace. I can't imagine what your family must be going through at the moment...the waiting must be dreadful.
Robimum I think your recent training means you are fit and healthy and in a good position to deal with the effects of radiotherapy and chemotherapy if required.
You are in my thoughts at this difficult time.
Majella
#38
Posted 24 June 2008 - 05:07 PM
Think positive thoughts.
#39
Posted 25 June 2008 - 11:09 AM
This is a wonderful website you may like to take a look at, I know it helped me
http://community.bre...cer.org/forum/5
take care & let us know the results when you get them, be positive, keep up the
exercise if you can, it helps heaps.
Katie aka KittysArea51
xx
run2work, on Jun 24 2008, 01:57 PM, said:
Robimum had the surgery to remove the cancer out of her breast. It was not too big, about the size of the end of the little finger. Using radioactive dye injected in the morning, 4 lymph nodes that the tumour drained to, were removed and sent for pathology. The 'margins' of the tumour were also sent to pathology. Those results will be back in nine days or less.
We are hoping that the cancer is not in those nodes or margins.
She is coming home today,and will recuperate for the next few days.
Next step is chemo if the 'margins' or lymph nodes are cancerous.
After healing, radiotherapy in Newcastle.
Already she is missing work. She is a maths teacher, the most popular teacher at the school!
But no work, and running until she is well enough for it to be good for her.
Thanks again for all those coolrunners concerned for us. The support has helped her, but also me, a lot!
Regards
Run2Work
#40
Posted 02 July 2008 - 09:16 PM
Robimum and I saw the surgeon today, and we got the pathology results.
The results were basically good with only micro metastasis in one lymph node which is out now of course. The tumour margins were good.
So now because of Robimums young age the course of treatment is oncologist visit with chemo to follow in August, radiotherapy in oct/Nov possibly later. Chemo could go as long as 4 to 6 months, which will make radiotherapy later than the Oct/Nov.
The surgeon said she should be right to run a marathon next year. I just want her to get better, which I confident she will. Running is a low priority, compared to wellness. Exercise would be helpful, but apparently difficult during chemo. Does anyone have experience with exercise during chemo? Is it possible? Is it helpful?
Regards
Run2Work
#41
Posted 02 July 2008 - 09:48 PM
Take care all of you.
#42
Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:21 PM
She's now been clear for 15 years!
Best wishes to robimum and yourself and family. Stay strong.
kazz.
Edited by kazz, 02 July 2008 - 11:22 PM.
#43
Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:23 PM
db.
#44
Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:49 PM
I hope all is going well there for you guys, I am so sorry you are going through this; I have just seen this thread tonight and read of your journey.
Life just isn't fair sometimes. If you need any help with how to help the kids through a tough time, let me know, I might have some advice on that one (my older kids were 6 and 8 when they went through a terrible trauma and we learned a lot about helping them through). You both sound like beautiful, hopeful, good people, and I am sure you are surrounded by lots of supportive kind people.
I am so glad to read that the worst appears to be over, that's great news.
I haven't had cancer myself, however a friend battled the whole shebang from breast cancer, secondaries, chemo etc and she found yoga to be incredibly helpful while she was sick from the treatment. I know it helped her a lot with finding peacefulness during a terribly stressful period as well as helping maintain physical strength. This is something I have also found is fabulous during a particularly dark time.
My thoughts are with you as you head back into the light,
serena x
SJ
#45
Posted 03 July 2008 - 08:05 AM
So glad to hear the pathology results were good.
I've had some experience working with patients during/after chemotherapy and radiotherapy (not from an exercise perspective though). In my experience chemotherapy and radiotherapy can be very draining, which would make running difficult. Every person reacts differently though - some days are good others not so good.
SJNathan's suggestion of yoga is a good idea. Check with the oncologist and staff at the chemo & radiotherapy clinics. They are experts in the field and have excellent advice.
You remain in my thoughts.
Majella
#46
Posted 03 July 2008 - 08:58 AM
run2work, on Jul 2 2008, 09:16 PM, said:
Not a personal experience, but I have a friend who is going through treatment for bowel cancer - chemo, several operations, and more chemo. He tries to keep active with pilates/yoga, walks and the odd tinker in the garden but gets tired very easily during treatment.
Interestingly, he went to see a naturopath (or something similar) fairly early on in his treatment. He made some drastic changes to his diet which lessened fatigue and nausea from chemo for some reason.
My thoughts are with you. Take care
Edited by Maygan, 03 July 2008 - 09:00 AM.
#47
Posted 03 July 2008 - 09:16 AM
run2work, on Jul 2 2008, 09:16 PM, said:
Robimum and I saw the surgeon today, and we got the pathology results.
The results were basically good with only micro metastasis in one lymph node which is out now of course. The tumour margins were good.
So now because of Robimums young age the course of treatment is oncologist visit with chemo to follow in August, radiotherapy in oct/Nov possibly later. Chemo could go as long as 4 to 6 months, which will make radiotherapy later than the Oct/Nov.
The surgeon said she should be right to run a marathon next year. I just want her to get better, which I confident she will. Running is a low priority, compared to wellness. Exercise would be helpful, but apparently difficult during chemo. Does anyone have experience with exercise during chemo? Is it possible? Is it helpful?
Regards
Run2Work
Hi R2W,
Just sending my best wishes to you all during this difficult time you are going through. My youngest daughter was diagnosed with thyroid cancer 2 years ago at the age of 9, and although our experience may be very different to yours, I can fully understand the rollercoaster ride of emotions & feelings you would be all going through. We're thinking of you and wish you all the very best over the coming months and years.
Cheers,
Maria (Didge)
#48
Posted 03 July 2008 - 11:25 AM
#49
Posted 03 July 2008 - 11:29 AM
Congratulations on such a good outcome.
At least now you have some boundaries to work with, and some planning to do. I bet this has impacted the family in so many ways , but in the long run it can and will bring you closer as a family.
All we can do is keep supporting you as best we can, and keep celebrating each step along the way. If theres anything that we can do you only need to ask.
You will get through this, you have too, but you will also get through because you truely will find the strength that you need to survive and flourish.
With the faith that you share and the support people people around you...how can you fail mate?
Wish we were there in person to give you a big hug of thanksgiving and support....or a morning tea!
The journey continues. Onwards and upwards bro...onwards and upwards.
Frank in SA
#50
Posted 03 July 2008 - 03:32 PM
Good advice and encouragement goes a long way in life, and we have found it here.
The news is good, yet we are 'down' today. It does'nt make sense. Maybe the days ahead on the treatment road is looking like a big hill to run up. The pluviometer on Six Foot Track comes to mind. It is only the first big hill in that race, there are more, but when you are finished one is pleased +++.
This road as a bit like that, and not as big as some. Some here on Coolrunning have had to climb Mt Everest type troubles, and I salute you. People who have posted on this thread are some of those with tragedy far greater than what Robimum and I have and are going through. Yet these people are supporting us. Just thanking is not enough.
When (and if) Robimum runs her marathon, after there will be round of celebratory drinks for any Coolrunners that are about, on the house of course!
love Run2Work
ps, go Pantherpurple at Gold Coast. You are a hero.
pps Special thanks SouthAustralian and Dropbear.















