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Posted 28 July 2008 - 02:08 PM

Yes I know it is many months off but I got an email from Dave Byrnes advising that entries were now open. A limit of 100 in each race.

Also bling for sub 24, 30 & 36 hour finishses.

All other information here :

GNW 100s

One of the most challenging races around. Very well organised considering the course and logistics involved. It seems to growing very quickly in popularity. :)

No doubt all of the not so sekret training will start soon.

I am glad to see Dave is back on deck after his bike incident over in WA.

Edited by Eagle, 28 July 2008 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:18 PM

I am in first official 100ks! are there any maps of the course anywhere? Has anyone done the 100k option with a forerunner 305 that would mind sharing there run data?

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:26 PM

Osmo,

Deatiled maps on the site. But beware the course may slightly change and you need to keep an eye on this up to race day. I am not sure what information you wanted from a 305 but here is the course profile again from the site :

Course profile

Edited by Eagle, 28 July 2008 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:29 PM

Osmo, all the info you need is on the very informative website, just click on the maps tab.




Snap Eagle,

I'll just add that I am very much looking forward to the GNW100 miler.
I love this time of the year with the "big ones" coming up.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:32 PM

I will hopefully be a starter for the wimpy 100k option. Have heard great things about this run looking forward to it!

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:50 PM

100k - certainly

100m - maybe.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 03:59 PM

What have the race numbers been like in previous years, does it get close to the cut-off ?

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 04:07 PM

View PostSlowManiac, on Jul 28 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

I will hopefully be a starter for the wimpy 100k option. Have heard great things about this run looking forward to it!

I've heard The Dog refer this to the 'sprint' option  :)

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 04:13 PM

View PostMick377, on Jul 28 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

What have the race numbers been like in previous years, does it get close to the cut-off ?

Previous results are on the site. Last year 34 starters in the 100 miles and 24 in the 100k. It was a big start last year compared to the lonely 12 starters in the first year.

Spud - absolutely agree thi is an exciting time of the year with some big ones coming up - anything done before is just preparation. :)

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 12:23 AM

View PostSlowManiac, on Jul 28 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

I will hopefully be a starter for the wimpy 100k option. Have heard great things about this run looking forward to it!
Nothing wimpy about this 100k.

Definite 100 mile starter.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 10:26 AM

How would it compare to The North face 100km ? The course looks similar in terms of height gains and losses but am I right in guessing that the possibility of warmer weather makes it tougher ?

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 11:40 AM

View PostPonkey, on Jul 29 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

How would it compare to The North face 100km ? The course looks similar in terms of height gains and losses but am I right in guessing that the possibility of warmer weather makes it tougher ?


Good question Ponkey,

I ran 13.48 at NF100 this year (off a cold and 2 weeks after WE100) and passed through 100km in 13.13 at the GNW100 miler last year.
I reckon they are pretty similar in terms of toughness, however if it was really hot on GNW race day, like it was two years ago, then that's a different story of course.

GNW 100km elevation gain 3811mtrs
NF100-apparently 4500mtrs but I would dispute that. My Garmin calculated closer to 3500mtrs total ascent?

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 11:49 AM

How would the training differ for the 100mile race compared to the 100km race?

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:19 PM

View PostBeaver, on Jul 29 2008, 11:49 AM, said:

How would the training differ for the 100mile race compared to the 100km race?

I don't have a lot of experince so you might place more with on others who have run more. Just 2 finishes in the GNW 100 miler but you can learn very quickly by asking as you have done and listening to what is said and itmay only take a a run or 2 to pick up enough to survive them and finish under the cutoff.

I am not a trail runner but a road marathon runner. Some might say I am at my best if the surface is black with a dotted line down the middle  :D .

I have run both GNW off no more than marathon training. That is with runs no longer that 2.5 hours but fast enough to run a 3.15 marathon. I have not done runs longer that 35k in training but  do as many difficult hills as often as I can. I have trouble getting on any trail to train.

I think the difference bewteen 100k and 100 miles is the way you run the race on the day and not so much a differnece in training. I would suggest the same training will be adequate for each but you must adjust how run each according to the distance.

I usually get to the 100k in GNW in 18 hours or so but it takes me another 17 hours to do the last 75k. It is managing the time on the course as much as being fit enough to stay out there that long. You must have the fitness and the menatl strength to keep moving at a steady pace all that time. :) t

Sorry to edit long after posting but a sentence in the 3rd last paragraph did make sense - no doubt one of the increasing seniors moments I am having  :)

Edited by Eagle, 29 July 2008 - 10:07 PM.


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Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:19 PM

View PostBeaver, on Jul 29 2008, 11:49 AM, said:

How would the training differ for the 100mile race compared to the 100km race?

Not much different Beaver. I would recommend more "time on feet" runs for the 100 miler though than the 100km.
Some people use 100km runs as training runs for 100 milers. :)

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:45 PM

And 100mile runs are just training for C2K :)

Anyone who does the 100m GNW should also be thinking about utilizing that fitness for C2K!

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 05:34 PM

View PostPonkey, on Jul 29 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

How would it compare to The North face 100km ? The course looks similar in terms of height gains and losses but am I right in guessing that the possibility of warmer weather makes it tougher ?
I would say TNF100 is much easier than the GNW100km.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 07:02 PM

View PostWhippet Man, on Jul 29 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

I would say TNF100 is much easier than the GNW100km.

I would also say that TNF100km is easier than GNW100km.  Not to mention the intricacies of navigation.  No pink ribbons every 100 metres on this one.

Eagle is not your average marathon runner. When he says that he does GNW 100 miler off marathon training, fails to disclose his average marathon training is actually a hugely impressive 120km a week. That's more than my 100km training!

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 07:14 PM

View PostBeaver, on Jul 29 2008, 11:49 AM, said:

How would the training differ for the 100mile race compared to the 100km race?

The main difference between running 100km and 100 miles is mental. When doing 100 miles, especially this one, you have to get your head around being out there all day and all night Saturday and then most of Sunday. The big difference in training would be to get out for a few night runs between midnight and dawn and get used to running at a time when the body wants to shut down.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 07:17 PM

View PostTallGeoff, on Jul 29 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

I would also say that TNF100km is easier than GNW100km.  Not to mention the intricacies of navigation.  No pink ribbons every 100 metres on this one.

Eagle is not your average marathon runner. When he says that he does GNW 100 miler off marathon training, fails to disclose his average marathon training is actually a hugely impressive 120km a week. That's more than my 100km training!

TallGeoff

It's easier but not "much" easier IMO. :)
Oh and Eagle also neglected to reveal the amount of "sekrit" training he did on the course, several hours of recon is hugely beneficial but not totally necessary.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 07:21 PM

Will people be doing training days on the course this year?

I am not committing to anything race-wise, but would like to tag along on some course training......

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 10:12 PM

View Postlittleblackpug, on Jul 29 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Will people be doing training days on the course this year?

I am not committing to anything race-wise, but would like to tag along on some course training......

If possible yes - it is a wonderful change in training in the second half of the year to run/cruise/ enjoy the trails and not just pound around in gut busting training. A certain buddy of mine mentioned on Saturday that we should start to sort out some available weekends.

We would love to have you along for company - off course on the understanding you are not committing to anything  :)  yeah I have heard that before.

Edited by Eagle, 29 July 2008 - 10:13 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 12:38 PM

Thinking about this one.

Not sure if I should step up just yet or take the girly option. Will see how I feel after Trailwalker.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:13 PM

View Postgogirl, on Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM, said:

Thinking about this one.

Not sure if I should step up just yet or take the girly option. Will see how I feel after Trailwalker.

After the great TFN100 result I would have thought the choice was already made. A beach finish on a pleasant lazy Sunday afternoon .... it doesn't get any better  :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:28 PM

View Postgogirl, on Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM, said:

Thinking about this one.

Not sure if I should step up just yet or take the girly option. Will see how I feel after Trailwalker.

Nat,

12FT is easier than TW.  :)

Just pointing out the logical progression.

Edited by Spud, 30 July 2008 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:48 PM

and next thing you know you're doing C2K :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 06:27 PM

View PostEagle, on Jul 29 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

If possible yes - it is a wonderful change in training in the second half of the year to run/cruise/ enjoy the trails and not just pound around in gut busting training. A certain buddy of mine mentioned on Saturday that we should start to sort out some available weekends.

We would love to have you along for company - off course on the understanding you are not committing to anything  :)  yeah I have heard that before.


Thanks Eagle :D

I'll wait for some dates to be thrown out there, particularly if anyone's venturing onto the more northern parts of the course.

I work weekends often so hopefully one falls on a day I'm free.

I'm terrified of ending up alone on the track and getting lost on this course. So it doesn't really appeal to me right now, but even if I decide not to compete I will hopefully volunteer to help at check points if I'm not working.

Edited by littleblackpug, 30 July 2008 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 06:39 PM

View Postlittleblackpug, on Jul 30 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

I'm terrified of ending up alone on the track and getting lost on this course.
G
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and good luck puggles! :)

Edited by undercover brother, 30 July 2008 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 06:43 PM

View Postundercover brother, on Jul 30 2008, 06:39 PM, said:

G
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and good luck puggles! :D

Hmmm, whisper that in my hubbies ear please :)

I'm a complete techno-virgin I admit, I'm lucky if I remember to wear a watch!

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 06:46 PM

View Postlittleblackpug, on Jul 30 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

Hmmm, whisper that in my hubbies ear please :)
ohhhhhhhhhh kinky!
but if it gets you a new gadget ... i'm in!

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:32 PM

Why am I even reading this thread?? :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:45 PM

View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

Why am I even reading this thread?? :D
You know you want to do it Seris. The dark side is calling................. :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:55 PM

View PostHorrie, on Jul 30 2008, 07:45 PM, said:

You know you want to do it Seris. The dark side is calling................. :)
There is something about this that just seems untouchable. Is it the lack of information or is it my fear of going further on my own?
I would hate to get lost. Nobody ever suggests entering this...........do you have to be crazy??

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:58 PM

(I posted this on the ultra board originally.... apologies... its a little bit more general)

I was REALLY hoping to do a 100 (mile) this year.... Glasshouse seems to be the best for beginners but I can't make that one.

So I was considering GNW '08..... and have been reading this thread.... so I thought I'd make a list of the Pro's and Con's for me.

Pro's.
- I'd get to do a 100m
- I could have a 1 person support team/ pacer (she just doesn't know it yet :D ) to assist
- I don't mind hills
- Training my best ever this year

Con's
- I can't do any training on the course.
- I have no Garmin
- I'm concerned about the nav
- I'm concerned about the cut off time (checking the results from last year a few of you finished in roughly 35.... )
- Doesn't sound like the best place for a debut
- Don't wan't to DNF.

Any thought's.... I'm not asking for anyone to blow sunshine... just opinions on if this is do-able for a 1st timer.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:58 PM

View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

There is something about this that just seems untouchable. Is it the lack of information or is it my fear of going further on my own?
I would hate to get lost. Nobody ever suggests entering this...........do you have to be crazy??

It helps. :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 08:08 PM

View Postlittleblackpug, on Jul 30 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

Thanks Eagle :)

I'll wait for some dates to be thrown out there, particularly if anyone's venturing onto the more northern parts of the course.

I work weekends often so hopefully one falls on a day I'm free.

I'm terrified of ending up alone on the track and getting lost on this course. So it doesn't really appeal to me right now, but even if I decide not to compete I will hopefully volunteer to help at check points if I'm not working.

Northern parts ? Past the 100k or are you talking about after the school at CP2 and up to 100k at CP4. Any weekend run is likely to outed and not qualify as 'sekrit ' training . Even though work is busy sometimes a weekday run would suit. The logistics for transport at either needs to be well planned.


View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

Why am I even reading this thread?? :)

Go on tell us !!!

You want to be tempted and then give in - a girlie thing - oops that will be censored by an Administrator or maybe I will get a dreaded warning

Horrie says IT HELPS about being crazy I would say it is ESSENTAIL. :D

Edited by Eagle, 30 July 2008 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 08:48 PM

View Postlittleblackpug, on Jul 29 2008, 07:21 PM, said:

Will people be doing training days on the course this year?

I am not committing to anything race-wise, but would like to tag along on some course training......


View Postgogirl, on Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM, said:

Thinking about this one.

Not sure if I should step up just yet or take the girly option. Will see how I feel after Trailwalker.


View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

Why am I even reading this thread?? :D

For anybody keen to have a look at the trail, I will be sure to do a few weekend runs out on the course after Trailwalker (not that I have committed to do GNW). The more the merrier. The map directions are very good, I've only managed to get lost once (in the creek bed before CP1), and that won't happen again.

You will also find that people stick together during the night. And gently prod those who are asleep on the road :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:03 PM

View Postgogirl, on Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM, said:

Not sure if I should step up just yet or take the girly option...

The GNW 100km I did last year is probably the toughest run I have ever done, hats off to anyone who makes it all the way to Patonga Beach - no wonder all the finishers seem to treat themselves to a nice coldie: you'll have earnt it!
I agree GNW 100km is tougher than The North Face 100km which was also tough, but overall TNF had more cruisy runnable sections I reckon. The heat through certain sections of GNW such as approaching the 50km checkpoint through the open farmland was also a factor, and I believe previous years have had some rip-snorter scorchers :D
Am hoping to tackle the 100 miler this year, and in doing so claim my Maggothood :)

Edited by Maggot, 30 July 2008 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:14 PM

View PostMaggot, on Jul 30 2008, 09:03 PM, said:

The heat through certain sections of GNW such as approaching the 50km checkpoint through the open farmland was also a factor, and I believe previous years have had some rip-snorter scorchers :)

CP2 at the school in 2006 was like a MASH tent. I was one of those that succumbed, having run out of 2L water with about 6km to go. That day was a scorcher. Lesson learnt: take more than 2L of fluid between the checkpoints if it is a hot day, and you are prone to sweat heavily.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:25 PM

View PostBandanna, on Jul 30 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

CP2 at the school in 2006 was like a MASH tent. I was one of those that succumbed, having run out of 2L water with about 6km to go. That day was a scorcher. Lesson learnt: take more than 2L of fluid between the checkpoints if it is a hot day, and you are prone to sweat heavily.

Also, the checkpoints are few and (literally!) far between. 1st one is at 30kms, next as Bandanna notes, is at the 50km point :D !
So definitely a race to be self-sufficient on. But it's the same for everyone and it just means the planning and race logistics strategy has to be really on the ball... which is why I too ran out of water approaching CP2 :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:26 PM

View PostBandanna, on Jul 30 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

CP2 at the school in 2006 was like a MASH tent. I was one of those that succumbed, having run out of 2L water with about 6km to go. That day was a scorcher. Lesson learnt: take more than 2L of fluid between the checkpoints if it is a hot day, and you are prone to sweat heavily.
Seb, How much harder than Oxfam (Sydney) is the 100km option?.... seriously.....

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:38 PM

View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

Seb, How much harder than Oxfam (Sydney) is the 100km option?.... seriously.....

I think it was Horrie who said GNW is Sydney TW on steroids.

What makes GNW tougher is the terrain (rugged and very steep in places), and the distances between the CPs (around 30km). That means you have to be much more self sufficient. Having said that, with adequate preparedness (= training) is is definitely very do-able. The magnificent scenery makes it all very worthwhile. Oh, and there are leeches and red-belly black snakes  :)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:41 PM

View PostBandanna, on Jul 30 2008, 09:38 PM, said:

I think it was Horrie who said GNW is Sydney TW on steroids.

What makes GNW tougher is the terrain (rugged and very steep in places), and the distances between the CPs (around 30km). That means you have to be much more self sufficient. Having said that, with adequate preparedness (= training) is is definitely very do-able. The magnificent scenery makes it all very worthwhile. Oh, and there are leeches and red-belly black snakes  :)
Snakes and Leeches don't worry me..... it is the fear of a DNF. Will think about this one AFTER Trailwalker. Thanks.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:52 PM

View PostBandanna, on Jul 30 2008, 09:38 PM, said:

I think it was Horrie who said GNW is Sydney TW on steroids.

It was the Herrmannator who coined that phrase Bandanna. Totally agree too.
GNW requires far more logistics and planning.
It's a wonderful adventure, tough as nails but is so rewarding hitting that sand at Patonga or reaching Yarramalong for the 100kers.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:56 PM

View PostPolaBear, on Jul 30 2008, 07:58 PM, said:

Con's
- I can't do any training on the course.
- I have no Garmin
- I'm concerned about the nav
- I'm concerned about the cut off time (checking the results from last year a few of you finished in roughly 35.... )
- Doesn't sound like the best place for a debut
- Don't wan't to DNF.

Any thought's.... I'm not asking for anyone to blow sunshine... just opinions on if this is do-able for a 1st timer.

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(More about me: I've walked SA trailwalker in 21 hours, done a 60k road/trail in 7, 3 sub 4 hour mara's (just), running SA trailwalker in early Oct, oh and I did some 30k road race rubbish in 2.30 last weekend, which was surprising)

Lets just looks at your cons :

- not training on the course should not prevent you running the event but it would mean reading maps and instructions very well before the start and being very aware of where you are on the course and the maps/instructions - it can be done but preparation and care needs to be taken

- i am not sure a Garmin is of much use - the maps and instructions will keep you on the course if you are alert and follow them

- it is right to be concerned about navigation but see above to reduce that problem

- the cut off time can be meet without too much problem but you must keep moving all of the time (very short CP stops) and you cannot get lost for any length of time

- I ran my first race over 42k at this one - so some of are just plain stupid

- having said the above about a debut here it was also my first DNF at 135k - it just makes you wiser next time

It seems from the personal info you have run some distances and times that relate to other finishers. But they are not in the same universe as a 35 hour event but having said that there is nothing much in between so in the end you just have to believe what fitness you have will do and then rely on navigation skills on the day.

And I guess if there are a lot in the race it will be crowded at least in the first 100k then you just need to link up with others to the finish.

You will note last year a lot finished in just under 35 hours. We ran separately up to 100k and then by accident meet up after the 100k on the course and just stayed together and enjoyed a rather friendly, chatty and cruisy last 75k.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 08:42 AM

View Postseris, on Jul 30 2008, 09:41 PM, said:

Snakes and Leeches don't worry me..... it is the fear of a DNF.
As Horrie once (wisely) said to me - don't let fear hold you back  :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 08:47 AM

View PostJen_runs, on Jul 31 2008, 08:42 AM, said:

As Horrie once (wisely) said to me - don't let fear hold you back  :D

Too true Jen. If I let fear hold me back, I wouldn't have had the everlasting memory that finishing a tough race like this brings. Reaching the sand at Patonga is indeed a very special feeling and one that I feel very privileged to have shared with the trailblazers that have gone before me. :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 08:56 AM

Glasshouse 100 miles 13-14 September 2008.
C2K 246KM 12-14 December 2008.

GNW 100 miles 8-9 November??????????

We will see C2K is the most important race but it could, could be possible.
YES YES spud, dog & tim2 can do it but I am just not that fast or fit.

Thinking thinking, why do I do this to myself.
I blame Milov as well. :D

I hate it the way I do this to myself all the time just the idea will eat away at me for months now. :) :)

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:06 AM

View PostBrick, on Jul 30 2008, 07:56 AM, said:

Glasshouse 100 miles 13-14 September 2008.
C2K 246KM 12-14 December 2008.

GNW 100 miles 8-9 November??????????

We will see C2K is the most important race but it could, could be possible.
YES YES spud, dog & tim2 can do it but I am just not that fast or fit.

Thinking thinking, why do I do this to myself.
I blame Milov as well. :D

I hate it the way I do this to myself all the time just the idea will eat away at me for months now. :) :)


I am in for Glasshouse as well as GNW 100 milers but am not doing C2K this year so it makes
it an easier choice.

like most, I am worried about Navigation so intend to get a Rogaining event under my belt (Lake maquarie)
and spend at least 3 days out on the course...

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 09:08 AM

bugger it.

I'm in.

(only thing that will stop me is injury.... touch wood)