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[MizukiNoguchi]

Athletics NSW - Organization License
Allcomers - 31/01/2009
Athletics NSW
Sydney Olympic Park Athletic Centre

Event 49 Men 3000 metre B grade
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Name Age Team Finals Points
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Finals
1 Dowling, Frazer 30 U.T.S. North 8:54.13
2 Bateman, Keith 54 Sydney Strid 8:59.62
3 Bellemore, Nick 26 Sydney Unive 9:00.62
4 Laughlan-Bowlby, Adam 20 Randwick Bot 9:03.98
5 Gregson, Keith 17 Parramatta C 9:06.42
6 Sutherland, Nathan 18 Randwick Bot 9:06.74
7 Waddington, Ryan 18 Parramatta C 9:08.46
8 palmer, matthew 31 Sydney Strid 9:09.49
9 Siepen, Daniel 16 St. George D 9:14.50
10 Ellis, Andrew 20 Hills Distri 9:20.73
11 Perry, Jonathan 16 Hills Distri 9:22.16
12 Cross, Ben 21 Sydney Unive 9:23.26
13 Dawes, Jim 38 Randwick Bot 9:28.96
14 Stapleton, Jack 14 Parramatta C 9:31.81

[MizukiNoguchi]

12sec off the 50 year world record but one more birthday and he gets a crack at the 55 year WR, at the rate he is improving, i wouldn't bet against him.

M 50 8:47.14 Johann Hopfner GER 50 10.08.07 Neustadt
M 55 8:57.28 Ron Robertson NZL 55 08.02.97

[sook54]

Well done Fossil!

[Fossil]

sook54, on Jan 31 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

Well done Fossil!

Thanks Sook - it was perfect conditions and the perfect race

I had agreed with Sean that I should try for 6min at 2Km and hope for a decent finish - the splits were all spot on (no more than 1 second off pace on any lap), there was almost no wind, it wasn't too hot (perhaps 25C) and I bludged off Adam Lauchlan-Bowlby (we train together) and Nathan Sutherland. And I felt good all the way too!

Edited by Fossil, 31 January 2009 - 10:24 PM.

[Eagle]

Keith
A fantastic result. Sincere congratulations. Awsome time.

[superflake]

Awesome run Fossil. Congratulations on breaking 9 mins and getting another Australian Record.

Tom31 may have to look over his shoulder at the 10k track now!

[Colin]

Not holy crap...its bloody world class.

Well done Keith

[FakePlasticTrees]

Well run. Good stuff Keith.

[Rabbits]

Sensational run!

Well done mate!

[Mango]

Great effort Fossil.

Congratulations

[Didge]

You run like lightning Fossil. Big congratulations

[Ellie80]

Yay! Congrats Fossil!

[TFive]

Fantastic ! Well done fossil

[JustinS007]

Fossil, on Jan 31 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

Thanks Sook - it was perfect conditions and the perfect race

I had agreed with Sean that I should try for 6min at 2Km and hope for a decent finish

Sean Williams. I assume your coach. He has some amazing talent under his wing, though admittedly most of them a few years younger than you! Working with Sean I wouldn't be suprised if you do have a crack at the M55 WR. You don't happen to turn 55 in this current cycle do you?

And who's that 14 year old with the 9:30 time? One to watch?

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14 Stapleton, Jack 14 Parramatta C 9:31.81

J.

Edited by JustinS007, 01 February 2009 - 07:29 AM.

[Don Juan]

Congratulations Keith.

What was the old record?

[Becky O]

Well done Keith, thats an awesome effort. Very much deserved as well

[Vurt]

congratulations Keith !

[kathmandu]

Wow Keith, congrats, thats fantastic.

I've really loved watching your achievements.

[Fossil]

Don Juan, on Feb 1 2009, 08:51 AM, said:

Congratulations Keith.

What was the old record?

I know that 'cos it was my record

9:9.61 - I did that in Oct/Nov 2008

before that is was (from memory)
9:10
9:11
9:13
9:14
9:23

PS I kicked a rock on the beach this am - think I might have broken my toe so 10,000m in doubt at the moment

Edited by Fossil, 01 February 2009 - 10:07 AM.

[Bernie G]

Keith that is fantastic. What's the new goal?

[PlodBod]

Phenomenal run. Well done!

Hope the toe gets better soon.

[Running Angel]

Well done Keith, hope that toe heals quickly!

[cakeboy]

Congratulations on your race; world class running Fossil. Also helps me answer the question:

"should I bother chasing pb's now I'm 40?"

yes

cheers Dave

Edited by cakeboy, 01 February 2009 - 12:02 PM.

[MizukiNoguchi]

How conclusive are the World Records, do you need to apply for ratification?

I note looking at the WR's for the marathon the absence of the 53 year old Israeli Seteng Ayele who finished 69th in the Beijing Olympic Marathon. He ran 2.14.21 as a 48 year old and 2.16.59 as a 51 year old, yet the WR's for M45 is 2.15.51 and M50 2.19.29.

I think the mighty Fossil could have a good crack at 4.12.5, 4.40.4, 8.57.28 and possibly even 15.37.0
Personally, I definitely think the 1500m is his best distance, 4.12.5 is a mighty run, Fossil has run quicker and continues to improve, it could be sub 4.10 next season.

My favourite Masters WR's are by 11 season NFL wide receiver Willie Gault, M45 10.72 and 21.80...that just blows my mind!!!

[fastguts]

Fossil, on Jan 31 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

And I felt good all the way too!

Congratulations Fossil you are an inspiration and the best bit is the above quote.

Good on you!!!

[Fossil]

MizukiNoguchi, on Feb 1 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

How conclusive are the World Records, do you need to apply for ratification?

I note looking at the WR's for the marathon the absence of the 53 year old Israeli Seteng Ayele who finished 69th in the Beijing Olympic Marathon. He ran 2.14.21 as a 48 year old and 2.16.59 as a 51 year old, yet the WR's for M45 is 2.15.51 and M50 2.19.29.

I think the mighty Fossil could have a good crack at 4.12.5, 4.40.4, 8.57.28 and possibly even 15.37.0
Personally, I definitely think the 1500m is his best distance, 4.12.5 is a mighty run, Fossil has run quicker and continues to improve, it could be sub 4.10 next season.

My favourite Masters WR's are by 11 season NFL wide receiver Willie Gault, M45 10.72 and 21.80...that just blows my mind!!!

For a State record (you need to be a member of the State Masters Association) you get a form signed by the Chief Timekeeper and Meet Manager and send it to the State Statistician (at the State Masters Association) - they then liaise with the National Masters Association if it's a national record and the National Association issue the certificate and register the record. I can only assume the national association register it as a world record in the same way.

Edited by Fossil, 01 February 2009 - 12:40 PM.

[Bellthorpe]

Nothing I can say that hasn't been said already ... but bloody well done!

[Horrie]

You are like a good red Fossil. Just getting better with age. Congratulations on an awesome run.

[tiger angel]

Wow, that's excellent. A great result. I love the way you have just chipped away consistently at the time.

[heartnsoul]

Great run Keith,
Thats a top effort from a top bloke.
hope the toe heals fast and the record books continue to get rewritten!

Champion!

Edited by heartnsoul, 01 February 2009 - 06:40 PM.

[run2work]

Well done from your Dubbo connection. I enjoy hearing of your accomplishments. It gives all us 'old' runners encouragement, hope and drive to get the best out of our bodies, even for those of us with less talent.

Good stuff, and get that toe better soon. You had a foot injury when you were in Dubbo, and now you have another one!

Look after yourself man!!

rtw

[milov]

Fossil continues to provide A-Grade inspiration.

I hope I can run as fast as you when I grow up!



milov

[glenda]

Congratulations...kick those young fella's asses

[Colin]

MizukiNoguchi, on Feb 1 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

How conclusive are the World Records, do you need to apply for ratification?

I note looking at the WR's for the marathon the absence of the 53 year old Israeli Seteng Ayele who finished 69th in the Beijing Olympic Marathon. He ran 2.14.21 as a 48 year old and 2.16.59 as a 51 year old, yet the WR's for M45 is 2.15.51 and M50 2.19.29.

I think the mighty Fossil could have a good crack at 4.12.5, 4.40.4, 8.57.28 and possibly even 15.37.0
Personally, I definitely think the 1500m is his best distance, 4.12.5 is a mighty run, Fossil has run quicker and continues to improve, it could be sub 4.10 next season.

My favourite Masters WR's are by 11 season NFL wide receiver Willie Gault, M45 10.72 and 21.80...that just blows my mind!!!

Some great info there MizukiNoguchi, you are obviously on the 'source'.

As for ratification, my view is that it shouldn't be dependent on belonging to this or that body. Every national association should have a statistician that follows up on performances and looks for the latest lists. The international mob should (and does) have the same.
Therefore, for road times, they presumably get or see a report of the time, then do the necessary verifications...if the course is certified, other evidence as required etc, would it matter if it was Joe Blogs that ran it...its a WR.
Same (or even easier with track)...if the runner is unaffiliated (as some runners are in the US) then it shouldn't matter. If the evidence stacks up and the necessary protocol was followed (eg drug tests etc) then its a WR.

Those marathon times by the 51 yo look untouchable, awesome...to me that IS the WR...makes this 51 feel so ...inadequate, but at the same time shows that age is not a barrier all the time.

Of the 55 yr WR's you list, I would say the 5000m is a lot 'softer' than the 3000 and Keith's times at present...so a potential WR in the bag there.

Willie Gault from memory is an OG sprinter of the Carl Lewis era.

thanks for info

cheers

[CBs]

Great work Keith. Your getting better every year and theres no reason to stop at 8.59. CBs

[MizukiNoguchi]

I agree 100%, belonging to an association should be irrelevant.

Also, agree that the 5000m is softer than 8.57 and 4.12, i just think that Fossil is best suited to the 1500m, he would destroy the mile record if the opportunity arises. The 15.37 isn't out of reach though, but if he can't get it, hopefully Jamie Harrison, Paul Arthur or Mona could get it.

[Fossil]

MizukiNoguchi, on Feb 3 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

I agree 100%, belonging to an association should be irrelevant.

Also, agree that the 5000m is softer than 8.57 and 4.12, i just think that Fossil is best suited to the 1500m, he would destroy the mile record if the opportunity arises. The 15.37 isn't out of reach though, but if he can't get it, hopefully Jamie Harrison, Paul Arthur or Mona could get it.

I am overwhelmed by the CR support What a great bunch runners are :-)

15:37 was my target in the 5000m a few weeks' back until the plans had to change because of the heat and wind - training times strongly suggest that sort of time so I hope I get another chance at it soon. As for the 1500m, I cannot see me bettering last years' 4:11 but that doesn't mean I won't give it a go :-)

And as for Jamie Harrison, Paul Arthur or Mona, I can feel very heavy breathing down my neck!

Edited by Fossil, 03 February 2009 - 08:41 PM.

[Eagle]

Fossil, on Feb 3 2009, 09:39 PM, said:

I am overwhelmed by the CR support What a great bunch runners are :-)

I think just supporting a great runner with a great result. I hope you get the opportunity to have a go at some of the other records before the season is finished.

[osmo]

Congratulations Keith on a time that is nothing short of awe inspiring.

The fact that you keep improving with age is great motivation for a lot of us young runners, and the support and information you passed on to do the junior runners in the central west was greatly recieved.

You truly are an inspiration to me and many others and your a great ambassador for the sport, if only you wern't a pom

[Sportsman]

An amazing run to take 10+ secs off a record PB.
Breaking 9 mins was the icing on the cake.

[Colin]

MizukiNoguchi, on Feb 1 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

How conclusive are the World Records, do you need to apply for ratification?

I note looking at the WR's for the marathon the absence of the 53 year old Israeli Seteng Ayele who finished 69th in the Beijing Olympic Marathon. He ran 2.14.21 as a 48 year old and 2.16.59 as a 51 year old, yet the WR's for M45 is 2.15.51 and M50 2.19.29.

An update on this anomaly. It appears the WR's have more rigorous data than IAAF.

Seteng Ayele is actually Ethiopian born Israeli Ayala Satain. He migrated to Israel in 1991 under the Israel's Law of Return scheme to Jews (Operation Soloman?). His birth year was misinterpreted when registered in Israel because the Ethiopians used a different calendar to the Gregorian.

He was actually born in 1962 rather than 1955, so his times above were run as a 41 yo and a 44 yo (43y 9mths) respectively, which are still good times in their own right.

The M50 2:19:29 is correct and held by Titus Mamabolo of South Africa, another fairly late starter to the elite ranks (because of the SA separate system before) and conforms to age group holders having a limited period of performance.

cheers

[MizukiNoguchi]

Thanks Colin, good to know they have a thorough check system in place. Great run by Titus!