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[CosmoKramer]

So it is now the Final day of The Track and Field Championships up in Brisbane and there has not been a single thread on this website. How can this possibly be "Australia's Premier Running Website" when no one is interested in REAL athletics and running. Not just Ultra Running, Fun Runs and other shit of this nature. It is a joke.

Some Mid/Distance Results So Far.

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Name Year Team Prelims
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Preliminaries
1 Grant Page 82 TAS 3:46.93Q
2 Jeremy Roff 83 NSWIS 3:48.59Q
3 James Nipperess 90 NSW 3:47.61Q
4 Philo Saunders 76 ACT 3:48.74Q
5 Jeffrey Riseley 86 VIS 3:47.65Q
6 David Campbell 82 IRL 3:50.03Q
7 Richard Olsen 85 NZL 3:47.67Q
8 Jayden Russ 85 QLD 3:50.28Q
9 Craig Huffer 89 VIC 3:47.79q
10 Daniel Clark 85 VIC 3:49.46q
11 Brenton Rowe 87 VIC 3:50.71q



Event 100 Men 800 Metres Open
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World Record: W 1:41.11 24/08/1997 Wilson Kipketer, DEN
All Comers: A 1:43.97 2/03/2000 David Lelei, KEN
Meet Record: M 1:44.28 2001 Assia-Djabir Said-Guerni, ALG
1:45.40 WCA
1:46.60 WCB
Name Year Team Finals
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Finals
1 Nicholas Bromley 83 NSWIS 1:47.76
2 Lachlan Renshaw 87 NSWIS 1:48.17
3 Werner Botha 85 QLD 1:48.24
4 Matthew Hammond 86 NSW 1:48.52
5 Matt Inglis Fox 87 QLD 1:48.67
6 Fraser Coss 90 QLD 1:49.29
7 Chris deBoer 84 WAIS 1:49.65
8 Lee Berry 90 QLD 1:49.75



Event 103 Women 3000 Metres Steeplechase Open
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World Record: W 9:01.59 4/07/2004 Gulnara Samitova, RUS
All Comers: A 9:19.51 22/03/2006 Dorcus Inzikuru, UGA
Meet Record: M 9:34.21 2007 Donna MacFarlane, TAS
9:40.00 WCA
9:48.00 WCB
Name Year Team Finals
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Finals
1 Donna MacFarlane 77 TIS 9:57.14
2 Ashlea Gilfillan 88 QLD 10:33.50
3 Andrea Ilakovac 83 ACT 11:00.60



Event 98 Women 1500 Metres Open
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World Record: W 3:50.46 11/09/1993 Yunxia Qu, CHN
All Comers: A 4:03.46 9/09/2001 Violeta Szekely, ROM
Meet Record: M 4:05.52 2006 Sarah Jamieson, VIC
4:06.00 WCA
4:09.00 WCB
Name Year Team Finals Points
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Finals
1 Sarah Jamieson 75 VIS 4:16.15
2 Kaila McKnight 86 VIC 4:16.27
3 Bridey Delaney 89 NSWIS 4:16.58
4 Lisa Corrigan 84 ACTAS 4:17.34
5 Nikki Molan 83 NSW 4:19.59
6 Erin Montgomery 85 NZL 4:25.61
7 Corinne Myles 85 QLD 4:29.96
8 Linden Hall 91 VIC 4:32.18
9 Lucy Kennedy 88 QLD 4:34.34
10 Lauren McKillop 90 NSW 4:34.67
11 Nikki Hiscock 93 QLD 4:36.79
12 Anna McMurtrie 85 QLD 4:38.31





Start talking about some results that Actually matter

[MrD]

Cosmo,

Thanks for posting the results. I'm sure there are many people interested in them. I was for a brief moment.

Coolrunning is a community of all sorts of runners; results and posts about 'other running events' only exist because someone thought they would be of interest to the community and it is the community that keeps them going.

If no one has posted results about an event, then one can only assume that it is not as relevant to the community as other events. This could also be seen as a sad indictment on elite athletics in Australia.

I suggest you just have a deeper look into previous threads and you will find plenty of posts about Championship track events, it's just that not many runners have the opportunity to compete in these, and while there are those interested and follow these events, they would be outnumbered by folk interested in other more community focused events, hence more threads and posts on the 'other events'

But don't you come on here again and preach your elitist attitude that track running is the only real running.

Edited by MrD, 21 March 2009 - 12:08 PM.

[CosmoKramer]

Mate, don't give me that shit. This website is solely devoted to "hacks" talking about their goals. I have not come on here to criticize that. Good luck to these people with their goals. But this website is almost Anti-Elite. There is no recognition given to the upper end of athletics and when i do try and draw people's attention to it i get called an 'Elitist Snob'.

I am sick of good threads about real athletics sliding down the message boards without getting a single reply. Start taking an interest in running that doesn't involve you, give some recognition to the athletes that train their asses off to be good. Show some support for the sport that you claim to love.

[Vurt]

I have moved this into the track and field section for you.

I would also suggest that trying to force people to be interested in something is probably not going to work. In fact abusing people and being hostile will probably have the opposite effect.

[HillsAths1]

Elite athletics is indeed in a sorry state of affairs.

I went to the national championships last night and was left wondering why I bothered.

Where should I start?

1.You pay $5 to park your car about 1500m from the actual entrance to the track.
2.As a registered coach you have to pay $20 for 3 days entry.
3.The program for the events does not even show when the finals are on in the timetable(you have to look through the list of the fields to actually find when the final is to be held)
4.The competition is held on a Thursday,Friday and Saturday, I would have thought that Fri,Sat, Sun would see a bigger attendance.
5.The fields were quite possibly the worst for many years(4 Girls in the national Championships for 3000ms/c) there were many similar quality fields.
6.Open womens long jump was held on the far side of the stadium(where you would have to have a passport and a packed lunch to get there).
7.Fields were missing some of the biggest drawcards(Hooker, Burgess, Rawlinson).
8.Apart from athletes, family and friends(and coaches) there was not that many others except officials and security!!!! there.
9. And dont even ask me to comment on the quality of the starters in the sprints.


On the plus side.

1.The athletes that won their events put in pretty good efforts, McLennan, Bromley, Wroe, Lewis, Ross.
2. Plenty of room to watch events.
3. Food was not too expensive.


I have a pass to go out again today, but I am not sure I can put myself through it all again.

Cosmo, I am one of the converted who loves Track and Field, however if the nationals has failed to put me in awe of the events last night, I do not see how coming on to CR and complaining is going to help sway any others to go and see T&F or even have a discussion about the state of Athletics in Australia.

[MrD]

I'm not replying to Cosmo futher as I don't want this thread to become a slinging match. But may I suggest to anyone interested, have a look on Runners Tribe for or your 'Real' running needs.

Edited by MrD, 21 March 2009 - 12:12 PM.

[DontStop]

What's to talk about?

We have a few standout performers, and the depth of a wading pool.

It may be selfish of me, but I'm far more interested in the running that I (and people like me) do, rather than talk about who finished 8th in an 800m race in a time of 1.49. Been there, done that as a youngster. I'll stay up half the night watching the world champs, but I'm just not interested in a competition that continually features results that only serve to illustrate the scarcity of quality performers we have in Oz.

FFS, Tamsyn Lewis decides on a whim to switch to the 400 hurdles and she'll probably come in the top 2. Our fastest sprinter wins the 100 in a time that would barely get him a college scholarship in the States. And our handful of elite athletes win by so far, you feel sorry for everyone else in the (non) race.

There. I've talked about the nats. Now go away and think about a constructive way to get 'hacks' like me interested in watching and talking about a second-rate track and field competition that is neither (a) relevant to them nor ( of sufficient quality to provide any actual entertainment. Seriously mate, if I want to watch an 800m race won in 1.47, I'll just go grab some old Movietone newsreels from the 1940's.

[Acanthus]

Hey CosmoKramer, can I just say that I wish there was more discussion of elite athletics on forums like this too, but I guess no one wants to. I occasionally stop by this sub-forum it see if there is any interesting discussion going on but there never is.I know there are lots of problems with athletics in Australia, but I still want to follow the sport and think it is worth sticking by it.

MrD, on Mar 21 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

But may I suggest to anyone interested, have a look on Runners Tribe for or your 'Real' running needs.

You mean the forum where someone got called a f#$%#$@ c$^& for merely mentioning the long jump

[akajan]

I was there too. I might say it was lacking atmosphere that we had at Sydney Track Classic, there was a lot of "idle time" again.
There were some good performances. Women 1500m was very exciting to watch, very good run by Bridey Delaney and late finish by Kaila McKnight. It was typical championship racing where you don't expect PBs in middle distance races.
400m men produced the season best and PB for Wroe, Stefenson is back, I am getting excited about 4x400m relay in Berlin.
Highlight was Lapierre and his 8.29m long jump.
And finally selectors are getting back to common sense and sending larger team to World Champs.

[Jimboy]

MrD, on Mar 21 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

I'm not replying to Cosmo futher as I don't want this thread to become a slinging match. But may I suggest to anyone interested, have a look on Runners Tribe for or your 'Real' running needs.

Yes,I agree with you that the new Runners Tribe web site is more attuned to elite,for want of a better word,competition results and associated matters.However,the RT Forum is not as good as I thought it might prove to be.In my opinion,generally inferior to CR forums in scope and sometimes even in comment on "elite" matters
It is horses for courses I guess,I like to visit both sites.
Congratulations to all the athletes fast or strong enough to qualify to compete at National titles,and particularly those who have made the World Champs team.

[walker1st]

Jimboy, on Mar 25 2009, 03:50 PM, said:

Congratulations to all the athletes fast or strong enough to qualify to compete at National titles,and particularly those who have made the World Champs team.

well said Jim,

You can only prepare Yourself and enter the nationals and do Your best.

Those enetered and competing well, are not responsible for the lack of quality or quantity of their competitors.

[hombre]

Acanthus, on Mar 22 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

Hey CosmoKramer, can I just say that I wish there was more discussion of elite athletics on forums like this too, but I guess no one wants to. I occasionally stop by this sub-forum it see if there is any interesting discussion going on but there never is.I know there are lots of problems with athletics in Australia, but I still want to follow the sport and think it is worth sticking by it.

You mean the forum where someone got called a f#$%#$@ c$^& for merely mentioning the long jump

I just went over to that site what a joke. Anonymous guests taking pot shots at athletes, calling them gay. Really riveting reading from jealous nobodies.


Runner's Tribe Mission Statement "The Runner's Tribe also believes in the value of taking running to the elite level and acknowledges the amazing athletes who dedicate much of their lives to the pursuit of superior fitness. Running is one of our truly world sports, thus making success at the elite level rare indeed. We believe that the level of dedication required to be an Olympic runner exceeds the commitment required for most other sports.

The world's best runners hail from all corners of the globe, from Nigeria to London, New Zealand to Zurich. It isn't a sport dominated by one nationality, nor is it structured in a way that only wealthy people can gain access to it. We believe that these amazing athletes do not receive the recognition that they deserve. We hope to improve the profile of athletics at an elite level and help aspiring elite athletes realise their dreams."


If you really believe that Ovadia then you would regulate your forum so that the elite level athletes of this country whom you are trying to promote and encourage are not continually pot shotted by nameless gutless nobodies. At least Coolrunning eliminates guests by registering users which I applaud it for.

[TehAxe]

hombre, on Mar 26 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

I just went over to that site what a joke. Anonymous guests taking pot shots at athletes, calling them gay. Really riveting reading from jealous nobodies.


Runner's Tribe Mission Statement "The Runner's Tribe also believes in the value of taking running to the elite level and acknowledges the amazing athletes who dedicate much of their lives to the pursuit of superior fitness. Running is one of our truly world sports, thus making success at the elite level rare indeed. We believe that the level of dedication required to be an Olympic runner exceeds the commitment required for most other sports.

The world's best runners hail from all corners of the globe, from Nigeria to London, New Zealand to Zurich. It isn't a sport dominated by one nationality, nor is it structured in a way that only wealthy people can gain access to it. We believe that these amazing athletes do not receive the recognition that they deserve. We hope to improve the profile of athletics at an elite level and help aspiring elite athletes realise their dreams."


If you really believe that Ovadia then you would regulate your forum so that the elite level athletes of this country whom you are trying to promote and encourage are not continually pot shotted by nameless gutless nobodies. At least Coolrunning eliminates guests by registering users which I applaud it for.

RT was register only, now its both - you can post anonymously or registered.
2 schools of thought, I think they changed it to illicit more discussion in terms of both candour and volume. It may or may not be achieving that goal right now.
I read it occasionally, there is still some good insight & discussion on there. Its pretty easy to ignore the "<insert name> is gay"

[couchto5krunner]

Hey I was just in Perth for the Australian surf life saving championships, a lady who just had a baby 5 weeks ago won the 2k beach run, for the 5th year in a row I think, how good is she? Also some other great results for the beach runners.
The atmosphere at that event is just amazing, the cauldron for the beach flags, the opening on the last day with the march past, the fly past with aerobatics - just awesome stuff in the sky, the announcers calling the events, the big screen, no entry fee because it is the beach and all for free,
The water events are a bit dull to watch from the beach because all the action is out to sea,but the event finishes on the beach and you get to cheer and get up close to the superstars of the sport. The beach events are great to spectate and lots of colour and excitement. I think there were over 7000 competitors during the 6 days of competition with masters and juniors and opens, - maybe athletics should look at the concept of running a week long event where everyone comes in together - has a team atmosphere and lots of fun, that way you get a built in audience for the whole week. There is a club competition running alongside the individual stuff, really has a lot going for it, that's if you like sand in your toes and sandwiches, coffee is great too!

[Michael James]

There was a National Club Competition in Adelaide on the weekend just gone.
No info on the Club winner on AA site - if there is it is hard to find.
AA site did however have "Live" results which is good.
Some good performances from some Junior runners (Under 20 and 23 Nationals) - they are the future of the sport, if we don't have a competitive athlete at World Stage then funding will be zero.
Does anyone know who won the Club comp??

[akajan]

Results of the National Club Championships are available here:

http://www.athletics.com.au/competition/ev...2009/clubpoints

[Michael James]

akajan, on Apr 7 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

Results of the National Club Championships are available here:

http://www.athletics.com.au/competition/ev...2009/clubpoints

Thanks - still I find it hard to find results on AA site. It is not easy to navigate around the site and find info quickly.

[akajan]

I agree, they should really restructure the whole site. There is RESULTS data base but it hasn't been updated for ages.
Rankings are normally up to date thanks to Paul Jenes from Victoria.

[HillsAths1]

To acces the information appears to be very clumsy.

The 2009 results for U23's are still in the live results bucket and should be in the main results table.

[Michael James]

Has anyone any info on where Australian All Schools will be held in 2009 and dates??