I bought a pair of Brooks Adrenaline GTS 9's this afternoon. This was done with advice of salesperson (and of course trying them and a bunch of others on) I stood on the thing in store that reads your stance and she watched me walking in them.
I have very high arches - toe & heel print doesn't even meet on the side and when looking at my old pair of joggers, they are worn down on the outside of sole, virtually untouched on the innerside of sole. After a little research, this seems to point towards me being a supinator?
Now that I've actually checked out Brooks website, it states that the Adrenalines provide support and cushioning for moderate overpronators.
I'm sure the shoes are great - but are they wrong for me?
Advice anyone? I'm worried I'll do more damage than good and don't have a pod appointment for another week.
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Have I Been Sold The Wrong Shoes?
Started by gee, May 26 2009 06:41 PM
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 07:07 PM
Brooks Adrenalines are great shoes-I used to use them before I got orthotics. I'm no expert but I wouldn't have thought they were a shoe for someone with high arches. I had mine fitted by a specialist running shop with a treadmill analysis-I overpronate badly and am flat footed. They do sound wrong for you.
I am a little confused-why did you buy new shoes a week before seeing your pod? It would have been best to get his advice and then go shoe shopping. He could have given you a list of appropriate shoes and made it easy for you.
Due to a bad experience with an althletic footwear chain-lets call them AF-I am very wary of salespeople now. I was sold a pair of shoes that felt great in the shop and were fine for walking. But running was another story-after 3 or 4 km I could barely walk I was in so much pain. Alot of salespeople really have very little idea-some basic training and that's it. I always ask alot of questions and see how they answer them-you soon sort out who knows their stuff and who doesn't. It's always best to go to a specialist running shoe store who can assess you on a treadmill. They are normally staffed by pods or pod students.
Get your pods opinion-take them and your old shoes to him and see what he says. The Adrenalines may be right for you-but they also may not.
I am a little confused-why did you buy new shoes a week before seeing your pod? It would have been best to get his advice and then go shoe shopping. He could have given you a list of appropriate shoes and made it easy for you.
Due to a bad experience with an althletic footwear chain-lets call them AF-I am very wary of salespeople now. I was sold a pair of shoes that felt great in the shop and were fine for walking. But running was another story-after 3 or 4 km I could barely walk I was in so much pain. Alot of salespeople really have very little idea-some basic training and that's it. I always ask alot of questions and see how they answer them-you soon sort out who knows their stuff and who doesn't. It's always best to go to a specialist running shoe store who can assess you on a treadmill. They are normally staffed by pods or pod students.
Get your pods opinion-take them and your old shoes to him and see what he says. The Adrenalines may be right for you-but they also may not.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 07:19 PM
I agree with WOOH that you're better off waiting to see your pod. I don't have a lot of faith in the footwear chains and their so-called gait analysis systems. Having said that, it has been pointed out to me by my podiatrist that anatomy and function don't always go hand in hand, ie. having high arches when you're standing still doesn't mean that you don't overpronate when you're actually running.
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 10:39 PM
thanx wooh & orlando
I saw the pod last week, he sent me for x-rays on toe, said definitely get new runners, gave me a slip of paper with 2-3 brands ticked, marked neutral (?) and ticked that they needed to fit orthotics (without actually seeing x-rays and knowing what is wrong with toe). He didn't ask to see old shoes (and I didn't know to take them with me). I asked him what I should be looking for in a shoe, he said leave that to the salespeople, just show them the slip of paper. Admittedly his slip specifically said Rebel, but I don't like their service so went somewhere else.
I just don't have a 2nd appointment with the pod until next week and my current ones were so bad I thought it would be best to get new ones asap (stupidly not realising how much was involved).
I think I will return shoes and wait til I see pod (might even get a second opinion in that regard as well).
I guess it's all a learning curve. Just a pain when you're all revved up and then have pain and get worried you're doing more damage.
It's tempting to just say bugger it and get running without new shoes, just panadol up for toe pains and push through......
gee
I saw the pod last week, he sent me for x-rays on toe, said definitely get new runners, gave me a slip of paper with 2-3 brands ticked, marked neutral (?) and ticked that they needed to fit orthotics (without actually seeing x-rays and knowing what is wrong with toe). He didn't ask to see old shoes (and I didn't know to take them with me). I asked him what I should be looking for in a shoe, he said leave that to the salespeople, just show them the slip of paper. Admittedly his slip specifically said Rebel, but I don't like their service so went somewhere else.
I just don't have a 2nd appointment with the pod until next week and my current ones were so bad I thought it would be best to get new ones asap (stupidly not realising how much was involved).
I think I will return shoes and wait til I see pod (might even get a second opinion in that regard as well).
I guess it's all a learning curve. Just a pain when you're all revved up and then have pain and get worried you're doing more damage.
It's tempting to just say bugger it and get running without new shoes, just panadol up for toe pains and push through......
gee
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 06:28 AM
I'd get another opinion-I wouldn't think you should get new shoes without the orthotics. That's why they sold you Adrenalines I'm guessing-they didn't realise about orthotics. They are a support shoe not a nuetral. Where are you? Someone may be able to recomend a pod for you that's not too far away.
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 09:04 AM
Western Sydney. I already posted a query re pod's in my area. Only one reply saying these guys were fine.
There's another one in the book I might try - also I'm seeing my osteo this weekend so hopefully she'll be of assistance - maybe will recommend someone.
There's another one in the book I might try - also I'm seeing my osteo this weekend so hopefully she'll be of assistance - maybe will recommend someone.
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 09:15 AM
Phoned osteo, she gave me a name. They're a bit more exxy, but can get in on Friday so all good there.
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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:05 PM
Hey there,
I can't really offer much advice without having seen your feet, however if I can help with any questions relating to the shoes, just let me know.
If you are looking for something more mild in it's support than Adrenaline, perhaps consider Infiniti, Defyance or Glycerin?
Let me know if you want any more info.
Run happy!
I can't really offer much advice without having seen your feet, however if I can help with any questions relating to the shoes, just let me know.
If you are looking for something more mild in it's support than Adrenaline, perhaps consider Infiniti, Defyance or Glycerin?
Let me know if you want any more info.
Run happy!
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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:20 PM
I am an overpronater and used to have a pair of the Brooks Adrenaline GT7's. However, with my orthotics, these shoes are far too severe and massively over correct my feet. Therefore, I needed to get a neutral pair to wear with my orthotics (Asics 2140s).
I would take them back and just wait until you get your orthotics and then go out and try out the brands recommended by your podiatrist. Your orthotics will correct what is wrong with your feet, you just need to get a decent runner to put them into.
I would take them back and just wait until you get your orthotics and then go out and try out the brands recommended by your podiatrist. Your orthotics will correct what is wrong with your feet, you just need to get a decent runner to put them into.
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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:31 PM
Riayn, on May 28 2009, 04:20 PM, said:
I am an overpronater and used to have a pair of the Brooks Adrenaline GT7's. However, with my orthotics, these shoes are far too severe and massively over correct my feet. Therefore, I needed to get a neutral pair to wear with my orthotics (Asics 2140s).
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:54 PM
orthotics have a number of different jobs. However the more corrective the orthotic, the less correction needed in the shoe. Often dependant on someones pathology will depend on the type and level of correction required.
Going to a store that has this understanding in mind will help you get fitted correctly. Pressure pad analysis does not provide an accurate measure which to assess this. Nor does treadmill analysis as your gate changes, so therefor a store with treadmill analysis would not be the best answer.
Gee, in regards to your original question 'After a little research, this seems to point towards me being a supinator?' - this does not mean you are a supinator, this means the shoe has compressed laterally and therefor may be either too corrective or the wrong shape for your foot type. A common misconception about footwear and more so feet, a high arch foot type, although more likely to supinate due to being more rigid, can also overpronate.
As a generlisation. a high arch requires a curved last, which the Adrenaline is a semi-surve. An overpronator would often need a dhoe with a stronger medial posting to help control the motion of the foot. There are certain brands which suit higher arches and some which suit a more nuetral or flatter arch. Brooks are generally for the latter, same as Brooks or Asics. Given the profile of the midsole, these wouldnt be suitable for higher arch. Brands such as Adidas, Nike, some Mizuno may be more relevant. However the better type stores will direct you toward this.
Good luck
Going to a store that has this understanding in mind will help you get fitted correctly. Pressure pad analysis does not provide an accurate measure which to assess this. Nor does treadmill analysis as your gate changes, so therefor a store with treadmill analysis would not be the best answer.
Gee, in regards to your original question 'After a little research, this seems to point towards me being a supinator?' - this does not mean you are a supinator, this means the shoe has compressed laterally and therefor may be either too corrective or the wrong shape for your foot type. A common misconception about footwear and more so feet, a high arch foot type, although more likely to supinate due to being more rigid, can also overpronate.
As a generlisation. a high arch requires a curved last, which the Adrenaline is a semi-surve. An overpronator would often need a dhoe with a stronger medial posting to help control the motion of the foot. There are certain brands which suit higher arches and some which suit a more nuetral or flatter arch. Brooks are generally for the latter, same as Brooks or Asics. Given the profile of the midsole, these wouldnt be suitable for higher arch. Brands such as Adidas, Nike, some Mizuno may be more relevant. However the better type stores will direct you toward this.
Good luck
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Posted 31 May 2009 - 03:50 PM
gee, on May 26 2009, 07:39 AM, said:
thanx wooh & orlando
I saw the pod last week, he sent me for x-rays on toe, said definitely get new runners, gave me a slip of paper with 2-3 brands ticked, marked neutral (?) and ticked that they needed to fit orthotics (without actually seeing x-rays and knowing what is wrong with toe). He didn't ask to see old shoes (and I didn't know to take them with me). I asked him what I should be looking for in a shoe, he said leave that to the salespeople, just show them the slip of paper. Admittedly his slip specifically said Rebel, but I don't like their service so went somewhere else.
I just don't have a 2nd appointment with the pod until next week and my current ones were so bad I thought it would be best to get new ones asap (stupidly not realising how much was involved).
I think I will return shoes and wait til I see pod (might even get a second opinion in that regard as well).
I guess it's all a learning curve. Just a pain when you're all revved up and then have pain and get worried you're doing more damage.
It's tempting to just say bugger it and get running without new shoes, just panadol up for toe pains and push through......
gee
I saw the pod last week, he sent me for x-rays on toe, said definitely get new runners, gave me a slip of paper with 2-3 brands ticked, marked neutral (?) and ticked that they needed to fit orthotics (without actually seeing x-rays and knowing what is wrong with toe). He didn't ask to see old shoes (and I didn't know to take them with me). I asked him what I should be looking for in a shoe, he said leave that to the salespeople, just show them the slip of paper. Admittedly his slip specifically said Rebel, but I don't like their service so went somewhere else.
I just don't have a 2nd appointment with the pod until next week and my current ones were so bad I thought it would be best to get new ones asap (stupidly not realising how much was involved).
I think I will return shoes and wait til I see pod (might even get a second opinion in that regard as well).
I guess it's all a learning curve. Just a pain when you're all revved up and then have pain and get worried you're doing more damage.
It's tempting to just say bugger it and get running without new shoes, just panadol up for toe pains and push through......
gee
Now the comments above perplex me, You ask for advice on a pod or the like, you go see a Pod and pay for the service. You are given clear instructions on what to do and where to go to have it done correctly. it even gets written down for you so it can't be done wrong. There is a reason for this process you know? If the Pod was in Penrith and you were requested to go to Rebel then this was due to the Pod having an appropriate netwrok set up so you would get the right service and advice from the store as there are several Pod students working in Rebel.
So instead you go elsewhere buy what may be the wrong shoes and then get on a forum and ask for advice from a whole bunch of people who's knowledge and experience you have no way of knowing.
My advice would be instead of asking all these questions to people who have never even seen your feet, you go back to your Pod and ask those questions there and keep asking questions of the Pod until you are clear and satisfied in your own head about the whys and hows. If you cannot get this satisfication then seek a second opinion.
Train safe
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Posted 31 May 2009 - 09:10 PM
Thanks all!
B+ - fair call - but I didn't feel comfortable with the initial pod I went to or that the advice and service was good. Also, I personally don't like Rebel from a service perspective so didn't want to go there.
Fortunately for me (seeing as it's my feet and money) the other pod is great and I feel comfortable with them.
B+ - fair call - but I didn't feel comfortable with the initial pod I went to or that the advice and service was good. Also, I personally don't like Rebel from a service perspective so didn't want to go there.
Fortunately for me (seeing as it's my feet and money) the other pod is great and I feel comfortable with them.
