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[Rico]

I just got an email telling me that entries had opened.

[nando]

 Rico, on Sep 7 2009, 03:10 PM, said:

I just got an email telling me that entries had opened.

Got that one too.  And if nothing else comes out of all this, at least they are now offering on-line entry.

And only 215 days to go.

Edited by nando, 07 September 2009 - 03:19 PM.

[Rico]

 nando, on Sep 7 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

if nothing else comes out of all this, at least they are now offering on-line entry.

lol yes

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And only 215 days to go.

Too early to start tapering?

[Jogger]

I believe that its in the best interests for all if there was a way for both parties to overcome their differences. Dave/Fran clearly run a good operation and given ACTCCC recently gave up organising the Brindabella Classic due to lack of interest, I can't see it organising the Canberra Marathon to anything like the current quality.

I love the Canberra Marathon and have run it 9 times before. But I'd feel real nervous sending in my entry now, so far out, with a court action pending (my simple logic is to never trust a lawyer). Seems to me like they could lose then have to spend some of the entry fees received on expenses!? I assume that if the race was cancelled - a shame - then entry fees would be returned?! Best read the small print...

edit - the only small print I could see was :

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Entry fees are non refundable

[thomo]

 JoggerK, on Sep 8 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

I love the Canberra Marathon and have run it 9 times before. But I'd feel real nervous sending in my entry now, so far out, with a court action pending (my simple logic is to never trust a lawyer). Seems to me like they could lose then have to spend some of the entry fees received on expenses!? I assume that if the race was cancelled - a shame - then entry fees would be returned?! Best read the small print...

edit - the only small print I could see was :

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Entry fees are non refundable

To show good faith Fran/Dave should ensure the entry fees are fully refundable, if their race does not go ahead.

I would suggest the money be held in a type of escrow account, only to be released if a legal victory by their organisation and a legally binding undertaking that they will conduct the event detailed as per their race website.

Competitors entry fees shouldn't be used as part of a type of war chest IMHO.

[RunRabbit]

Couldn't the ACTCCC let the 2010 marathon go ahead with the current organisers (some type of 1 year extension) and move the dispute to 2011 and beyond.  That way we would have some certainty around preparations for next year and less chance of damage to the brand!!

[DoggieDoctor]

I hope it sorts itself out. The 2 marathons I have planned for 2010 are Canberra and GCM. I was so envious of all those who attended Canberra last year.

DD

[Ewen]

There was an article about the case in yesterday's Canberra Times.

[deadcat]

i am SURE that the next year CM will go ahead.. no one can STOP CSM from holding a marathon.. they may just have to relinquish the name.. and anyway, i doubt that the issue will be settled before Apil..

[Colin]

 deadcat, on Sep 10 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

i am SURE that the next year CM will go ahead.. no one can STOP CSM from holding a marathon.. they may just have to relinquish the name.. and anyway, i doubt that the issue will be settled before Apil..

Actually yes... the ACT Govt can, or can make it a lot harder, because you have to get permission to close roads etc.

....that's probably why there will be an early resolution.

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The club's lawyers told the court yesterday the ACT Government would not undertake the necessary preparations for the marathon one of Canberra's most successful sporting events until the case was settled.

The race relies on taxpayers' funds and the Government's cooperation to close the roads along the course.

Barrister Steven Hausfeld told the judge, ''The Government has said, 'Oh, for goodness sake, sort this thing out.'''

Edited by Colin, 10 September 2009 - 05:59 PM.

[deadcat]

yeah, guess you are right.. if the "rights" go to ACTCCC then it will make it hard for CSM to hold the marathon as it is formatted now..

[deadcat]

i recently emailed CSM asking if, given the current circumstances, they would refund my early entry if they did not hold the event.. the reply i got was along the lines of "the event WILL go ahead and anyone saying anything different better watch it!"..
But having had also a recent chat with the secretary of the ACTCCC, he seemed to think it imprudent of CSM to be opening entries at this time to due to the impending court case..

If i wanted to be sure that i was going to get what i paid for, i wouldn't enter now.

[catgirl]

 deadcat, on Oct 2 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

i recently emailed CSM asking if, given the current circumstances, they would refund my early entry if they did not hold the event.. the reply i got was along the lines of "the event WILL go ahead and anyone saying anything different better watch it!"..
But having had also a recent chat with the secretary of the ACTCCC, he seemed to think it imprudent of CSM to be opening entries at this time to due to the impending court case..

If i wanted to be sure that i was going to get what i paid for, i wouldn't enter now.

Thanks deadcat, I am watching this with interest and also intend to wait to see which way it goes before I lay out any hard earned cash.

[grimsey]

Yes i agree guys. I have this down to do next year, but i'll wait and see what happens with the outcome of the court case.

[Ted]

This is absurd. The fact is that the runners own the marathon, not some legal entity. Someone will always be available to organise it. The current organisers should forget the lawyers, who should never be allowed anywhere near business disputes. Come to an arrangement without them that reflects the current context and then run the event.

Enter the event and let's get on with it.

[chops]

The early entry discount offer expires next weekend. I want to take advantage of it but I can't find any news of whether the dispute has been settled yet. Does anybody know anything about this? At the moment I am more willing to pay $10 more to enter later, than lose $90 if the race isn't run.

[Bandanna]

 Hillman, on Oct 8 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

This is absurd. The fact is that the runners own the marathon, not some legal entity. Someone will always be available to organise it.
Enter the event and let's get on with it.

I'd be interested to know whether various sponsorships, permits, council approval for closure of roads, police etc have been obtained. You'd think all these logistics would have been taken care of by now.  If it is a naming right, then call it the Canberra Asics running festival or whatever.

[AmeliaBurton]

 DoggieDoctor, on Sep 9 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

I hope it sorts itself out. The 2 marathons I have planned for 2010 are Canberra and GCM. I was so envious of all those who attended Canberra last year.

DD

Ditto! Canberra and GCM are my goals. Canberra sounds like a great race so I hope it goes ahead. Having said that I wont enter until we get the all clear!

[Jane06]

 AmeliaBurton, on Nov 23 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Ditto! Canberra and GCM are my goals. Canberra sounds like a great race so I hope it goes ahead. Having said that I wont enter until we get the all clear!

Me three!  I wish they would sort it all out soon.  That said, a $10 discount for entering over 5 months early does not seem much of a discount to me.

[Kev]

I certainly wont be entering until this is resolved, the extremely unfriendly worded "non refund" policy tells me that you have to be absolutely sure that everything is squeeky clean before entering.  If a statement is not made soon by the organisers I will schedule an alternate event for this year such as GOR in May.

[Rico]

Well there's another statement on the news part of the front page of this site, though I don't know if it will satisfy anyone.
http://www.coolrunni...se_09.11.24.pdf

[Bazorak]

Heard a whisper mediation has failed, going to the courts

[Eagle]

 Rico, on Nov 25 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Well there's another statement on the news part of the front page of this site, though I don't know if it will satisfy anyone.
http://www.coolrunni...se_09.11.24.pdf

A Press Release that does not refer to the issue that we all know is happening is not worth taking notice of. If the matter was resolved in favour of Dave it would be announced in bold print. There is no statement so it might be reasonable to conclude there is no positive news.

No entry will be lodged by me at this stage.

[chops]

I raised the issue with CSM and the reply came back 'everything is as it should be', but couldn't find the event on any calendars, so I didn't enter. Agreeing with Jane06, $10 isn't much of a discount.

[Colin]

 Eagle, on Nov 25 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

A Press Release that does not refer to the issue that we all know is happening is not worth taking notice of. If the matter was resolved in favour of Dave it would be announced in bold print. There is no statement so it might be reasonable to conclude there is no positive news.

No entry will be lodged by me at this stage.

Everybody thinks there is still a problem, yet we are led to belive that entries are running way ahead of previous years...all for a $10 saving.

Marketing emails tell us that Canberra finishers are amongst the 'best in the world'.....at that contrived IAU 50km with which Canberra has association, when with all due respect to the Aussie girls there, the times that they ran for 50km would have seen the leaders not ony way past the 'certified 50km mark' at Two Oceans, but actually at the finish having a drink after 56km ...and that is including traversing two peaks of 220m climb each.
And btw TOM is an IAAF certified course too..yet no runners from there are invited to the circus.

Yeah...I love the spin of Canberra media releases and emails.

[Bandanna]

 Kev, on Nov 25 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

I certainly wont be entering until this is resolved, the extremely unfriendly worded "non refund" policy tells me that you have to be absolutely sure that everything is squeeky clean before entering.

It makes it hard to plan ahead when there is uncertainty. What to do about booking accommodation, travel plans etc for those coming interstate.

[Jane06]

 Colin, on Nov 25 2009, 06:54 AM, said:

Everybody thinks there is still a problem, yet we are led to belive that entries are running way ahead of previous years...all for a $10 saving.

Yeah...I love the spin of Canberra media releases and emails.

This spin and enticement of early entry is probably a plan to aid Dave's case in the legal action.  It is a pretty clever way to do it, would be hard for either the magistrate to agree to award against the current organisers for the 2010 event at least if they have already accepted entries.

[sharpie]

 AmeliaBurton, on Nov 24 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

Ditto! Canberra and GCM are my goals. Canberra sounds like a great race so I hope it goes ahead. Having said that I wont enter until we get the all clear!

Hey AB,

Maybe on the strength of this news we should have the GOR mara in May as our Plan B.
More time to prepare and that allows us to go back to running shorter on a Sunday  

See you at the Barra Bash.

Sharpie

Edited by sharpie, 26 November 2009 - 12:22 PM.

[Dave]

 sharpie, on Nov 26 2009, 12:20 PM, said:

Hey AB,

Maybe on the strength of this news we should have the GOR mara in May as our Plan B.
More time to prepare and that allows us to go back to running shorter on a Sunday  

See you at the Barra Bash.

Sharpie

I reckon you guys should aim for 6ft instead and keep running long on Sunday

On Topic, lots of spin and posturing it seems but given what I have seen and know, I would not be stumping up any hard earned for a race with a no refund policy that currently is before the courts and does not have a race permit or volunteers (ACTCC)....

[Colin]

Yep,

I also ROFL at the marketing that takes credit for ("kick started")` the second running boom in Australia because they organised the Host City marathon...which itself was a consequence of Sydney having the OG...

...at least Al Gore clarified that he didn't invent the internet, just passed a law relating to some telecom usage or something back in 80's.

How about the 2000's also saw the advent of Coolrunning, bringing runners and information on running closer, CR5k's and such,  clubs such as Striders and SMC, KJ, woodstock etc hosting series' that give runners professionally run races at cheap prices.

Oh..and I can't see that bit relating to contribution at a grassroot level...if I was a volunteer busting my gut at club events...I could almost be offended.   

...and now we also hear that a small marathon by world standards is going to be at the forefront of celebrations marking the battle of Marathon 2500 yrs ago

edit...btw As I posted a while back, the growth in SA has also been over 10% (off a higher base) the last year...and Comrades in particular got 20,000 entrants in two months (inc. 5,000 novices in 27hrs)....

...perhaps they are responsible for that boom too.

No wonder the marketing emails go to my 'joke emails' file.

Edited by Colin, 26 November 2009 - 01:46 PM.

[Emma100]

Paris Marathon is on the same weekend

(Hey, a girl can dream. I don't believe I'll be getting to Paris any time soon.)

Basically, I'm planning on starting marathon training after Hobart. I am keen to do a marathon in every state and territory of Australia by the time I'm 40. (I'm starting to lie about my age, already.) However, I have a second sport, and he second half of 2010 is looking competition heavy already. Very keen for a marathon in the front half of the year.

I'd like this to be sorted out so I can start planning. I'm an interstate traveller for this one, and I'd really like to be able to book flights and accomodation.

[Luckylegs]

 Emma100, on Nov 26 2009, 06:32 PM, said:

Paris Marathon is on the same weekend

Now, there's a coincidence for you!  I was looking around for 'something else' the same time as Canberra Marathon and lo and behold, at that very same minute, an email form Travelling Fit tells me they still have some places in the Paris Marathon, April 11, 2010!

Is this Kismet or mere coincidence?  LL

Edited by Luckylegs, 26 November 2009 - 07:15 PM.

[luckyguy]

Earlier today, I sent Fran & Dave (Cundy Sports Marketing) an email in an attempt to gage whether they are in a position to guarantee the running of the 2010 Canberra marathon as well as the security of entry fees. This is the (prompt) response I received (reprinted here with permission from F & D).

"Hi Michael

Thank you for your email and we appreciate you addressing your concerns with us.

As far as we are concerned, as event organisers, the event is confirmed for the scheduled dates. Entries are being accepted in good faith.

Initiatives are in place and being added to make for a bigger and better event in 2010.

Regards

Fran
Canberra Marathon"

This response may or may not allay others concerns, however, I have planned to start my (specific) training for this event next month, so obviously I need to decide whether to commit to it or not. So in good faith, I have decided to lodge my entry in the strong belief the marathon will go ahead as advertised on the 11th April, 2010.

[Coogee1979M]

For your sake (and also for anyone else has entered, including a non-CR friend who is planning to do his first marathon ever on 11 April), I hope it goes ahead as planned.

However Fran's email doesn't really provide any new information.  Entries are being accepted "in good faith", but it may be difficult to get a refund if the event is cancelled.

 luckyguy, on Nov 26 2009, 10:09 PM, said:

Earlier today, I sent Fran & Dave (Cundy Sports Marketing) an email in an attempt to gage whether they are in a position to guarantee the running of the 2010 Canberra marathon as well as the security of entry fees. This is the (prompt) response I received (reprinted here with permission from F & D).

"Hi Michael

Thank you for your email and we appreciate you addressing your concerns with us.

As far as we are concerned, as event organisers, the event is confirmed for the scheduled dates. Entries are being accepted in good faith.

Initiatives are in place and being added to make for a bigger and better event in 2010.

Regards

Fran
Canberra Marathon"

This response may or may not allay others concerns, however, I have planned to start my (specific) training for this event next month, so obviously I need to decide whether to commit to it or not. So in good faith, I have decided to lodge my entry in the strong belief the marathon will go ahead as advertised on the 11th April, 2010.

[Luckylegs]

"As far as we are concerned".........does nothing to allay my concerns!  I prefer to wait for an official word on the outcome of either mediation or court case.

"Faith" good or otherwise has nothing to do with the outcome of legal matters, if that is what is happening.

Fran's reply, though it may well turn out that way and I hope it does go ahead, doesn't inspire me with any confidence to hand over entry fees or to pay or accommodation at this stage.   LL

Edited by Luckylegs, 27 November 2009 - 06:22 AM.

[thomo]

Dave and Fran had the chance to allay fears and kicked an own goal.

They gave permission to luckyguy (Michael) to post the response and I am assuming knowing full well where it was to be posted.

I think the email would settle the matter for people deciding if they should wait for an outcome or enter now for a possible 100% loss.

[Verity Veritas]

 Colin, on Nov 25 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

Everybody thinks there is still a problem, yet we are led to belive that entries are running way ahead of previous years...all for a $10 saving.

Marketing emails tell us that Canberra finishers are amongst the 'best in the world'.....at that contrived IAU 50km with which Canberra has association, when with all due respect to the Aussie girls there, the times that they ran for 50km would have seen the leaders not ony way past the 'certified 50km mark' at Two Oceans, but actually at the finish having a drink after 56km ...and that is including traversing two peaks of 220m climb each.
And btw TOM is an IAAF certified course too..yet no runners from there are invited to the circus.

Yeah...I love the spin of Canberra media releases and emails.

Colin,

I would expected more from you than this.  Your gross assumptions about "the Aussie" girls ability are out of context and actually quite offensive.  What relevance does comparing what we did at Canberra this year to what is done at Two Oceans have? NONE.  Sometimes it is best not to pass judgement until one has the facts and also understands clearly the intention of each athlete on the day.

Times run at Canberra do not indicate nor can be compared to another race and or it's potential results agains those done by us this year. It may or not be ratified but again take this up with others , don't use it as a measure of honest and solid running done by women on the day.

In regards to other contenders being invited to the race? To my knowledge they are free to rock up any time they wish.  Jac Fairweather is my perfect example of world class and world championsip calibre that also ran at Canberra the year prior and proceeded to back that up this year in further "certified" races.

June Petrie set a new record at Gibraltar under v difficult conditions.  And whooped my butt..

I myself am throwing my hat in to the North Face 50 mile next weekend.  Elevation? sure

Best regards.

Verity Tolhurst

[Brick]

 luckyguy, on Nov 26 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

Earlier today, I sent Fran & Dave (Cundy Sports Marketing) an email in an attempt to gage whether they are in a position to guarantee the running of the 2010 Canberra marathon as well as the security of entry fees. This is the (prompt) response I received (reprinted here with permission from F & D).

"Hi Michael

Thank you for your email and we appreciate you addressing your concerns with us.

As far as we are concerned, as event organisers, the event is confirmed for the scheduled dates. Entries are being accepted in good faith.

Initiatives are in place and being added to make for a bigger and better event in 2010.

Regards

Fran
Canberra Marathon"

This response may or may not allay others concerns, however, I have planned to start my (specific) training for this event next month, so obviously I need to decide whether to commit to it or not. So in good faith, I have decided to lodge my entry in the strong belief the marathon will go ahead as advertised on the 11th April, 2010.

Exactly the same e mail reply I recieved 2.5 months ago when I asked the same questions.
So that say's to me nothing has changed in 2.5 months.

I will still wait with my entry, hoping it all gets sorted in time.

[Bandanna]

 Dave, on Nov 26 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

On Topic, lots of spin and posturing it seems but given what I have seen and know, I would not be stumping up any hard earned for a race with a no refund policy that currently is before the courts and does not have a race permit or volunteers (ACTCC)....

If the race is cancelled, I reckon you'd be perfectly entitled to a full refund - the Department of Fair Trading would get very interested otherwise! Something to do with the fact that when a service provider fails to meet its obligations (ie a contract not being fulfilled), you can claim compensation for any loss incurred.

It would be nice if Dave and Fran would post on this forum, as I am sure that they follow this thread with some interest.

[blair]

 Bandanna, on Nov 27 2009, 07:40 AM, said:

If the race is cancelled, I reckon you'd be perfectly entitled to a full refund - the Department of Fair Trading would get very interested otherwise! Something to do with the fact that when a service provider fails to meet its obligations (ie a contract not being fulfilled), you can claim compensation for any loss incurred.

Just because you are entitled to your money back doesn't mean you will get it. If they can't afford to give you your money back they can declare bankruptcy and you, as an unsecured creditor, are unlikely to ever see a cent.

[Colin]

 Verity Veritas, on Nov 27 2009, 05:27 AM, said:

I would expected more from you than this.  Your gross assumptions about "the Aussie" girls ability are out of context and actually quite offensive.  What relevance does comparing what we did at Canberra this year to what is done at Two Oceans have? NONE.  Sometimes it is best not to pass judgement until one has the facts and also understands clearly the intention of each athlete on the day.

I can understand that as a participant and someone mentioned in the marketing email you would be emotionally upset. But I made it quite clear that it had nothing to do with the actual ladies running there (at IAU 'champs'), but to do with Canberra Marathon using your performances in its marketing to boost the image of its race.
edit: It could have even been my performance...hell I wish.

So its very relevant to this debate and perhaps you should ask Canberra why it continues to claim 'World Best' performances, as it also did in marketing emails in previous years including the claim of Jackie's performance as a F40 WR* and Tucker and Criniti's Canberra performances as world leading.

The evidence from around the world makes it clear that that is not the case, not even close, so it is very very relevant to compare it to those races...Canberra made the claim, not me...so ask them why.

* And btw, Jackie was quite ok and thanked me when I pointed out that Madina Biktagirova had run 03:13:20 (vs her 3:18 at Canberra) at the certified 50km split in TOM (at the top of second 220m climb I may add) en route to 03:35:04 over 56km in 2007 aged 42.
Unlike Canberra she would be the last to claim a WR that wasn't.

For the record the men's 50km there is 2:43 and there are numerous other examples of better times than Canberra from there, Loskop and other races around the world....every year.

Canberra used your and other's performances at Canberra and elsewhere to boost its image. Its only logical that a response compares Canberra's times and its flat profile to that of other races. I have pointed out the same to Canberra with dismissive response.

As for why those runners don't rock up at IAU 50km or 100km... either they are not in the 'club' or in the 'know; (as confirmed by TOM RD) or they probably (fairly) believe that those are not the true world champs events.

Come on, give me a break...you know it wasn't pointed at you at all. It was a response to misleading information used in marketing emails to boost an image.
I am sure you all put in "honest" performances, never questioned that, but just like I would have been embarassed if people compared me to the best in the world in the 80's with only a 2:27...I'm sure the people mentioned would have the same feeling if they knew the other times around the world.

regards

Colin

Edited by Colin, 27 November 2009 - 09:30 AM.

[RunRabbit]

Wow - that response was way short of what I would want before forking out the entry fee.  Something like "absolutely guarantee that money will be refunded if the event does not go ahead"  were the sort of words needed.

[Bandanna]

 balri, on Nov 27 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Just because you are entitled to your money back doesn't mean you will get it. If they can't afford to give you your money back they can declare bankruptcy and you, as an unsecured creditor, are unlikely to ever see a cent.

True - in which case you can claim back from your credit card issuer (assuming of course you have paid online with a credit card!).  

Ansett (where people had pre-paid their tickets with a credit card) and HIH (policyholders could claim for any unearned premiums paid up front by credit card) are notable examples whereby you as the consumer have a right to claim back from your credit card issuer for any service not rendered by a supplier.

[Eagle]

 Bandanna, on Nov 27 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

It would be nice if Dave and Fran would post on this forum, as I am sure that they follow this thread with some interest.

Let me preface these comments by saying I have no inside information. This is just speculation.

If the dispute is being mediated then there would be a mediation agreement signed by the parties. That will usually contain a confidentiality clause - meaning what ever is said in the mediation must remain confidential and cannot be discussed outside the mediation with non parties. It may also extend to preventing the parties even confirming that mediation is taking place and anything elso about the process let alone the substantial issues.

It may well be that Dave and Fran would like to post and advise what is going on however I suspect their silence is required from a term of the mediation agreement.

However it seems that they are not restricted from making media releases. What is said in them is in some respects inapporopriate and it would be better that nothing was said.

It is a shame that what both parties value may lose value because of the dispute and the uncertainity of whether the event will run and if so in what form. I would think both parties would desire a final outcome sooner than later so that the uncertainity is removed. On that basis when and if a final resolution is arrived at it will no doubt  be widely and loudly announced.

[bobbys]

 Eagle, on Nov 27 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

Let me preface these comments by saying I have no inside information. This is just speculation.

If the dispute is being mediated then there would be a mediation agreement signed by the parties. That will usually contain a confidentiality clause - meaning what ever is said in the mediation must remain confidential and cannot be discussed outside the mediation with non parties. It may also extend to preventing the parties even confirming that mediation is taking place and anything elso about the process let alone the substantial issues.

It may well be that Dave and Fran would like to post and advise what is going on however I suspect their silence is required from a term of the mediation agreement.

However it seems that they are not restricted from making media releases. What is said in them is in some respects inapporopriate and it would be better that nothing was said.

It is a shame that what both parties value may lose value because of the dispute and the uncertainity of whether the event will run and if so in what form. I would think both parties would desire a final outcome sooner than later so that the uncertainity is removed. On that basis when and if a final resolution is arrived at it will no doubt  be widely and loudly announced.

Eagle,

I recveived the Media release here at work and it was interesting to note that all Media enquiries were to go through their legal representative. It does sound like they cannot say too much.

I also imagine that you need to keep the event ticking over - no point not taking entries until you resolve things - you may get it all sorted 1 month before which does leave it late  - especially when you take the training into account.

BobbyS

[GrizzlyBear]

Hi All

I've watched this thread with a bit of interest.

I'm a believer in life that you only worry about the stuff that you can control.

So on that basis, I've entered Canberra and am focusing on getting my training and preparation right.

As to whether the race is on or in what form - well quite obviously I have no control over that and so I am not worrying about it!

I am preparing on the basis that the race DOES go ahead.

If it doesn't, thenI'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

I understand people wanting to wait and get certainty but for me, a marathon is hard enough without having to worry about other stuff.

Dave

[DoggieDoctor]

Agree with GrizzlyBear. I am training for it and if it falls through for some reason so be it. Mind you I am happy to pay $10 extra to wait and see. From the other side, all this debate must be annoying as i am sure organisers of events such as this need the cash flow to continue to help them do all the necessary things and make expenditures and pay deposits etc. It would be horrible to discover that our doubts were unfounded and the event fell through or was poorly organised due to a cash flow shortage. The flow on could then be that other organisers might be reluctant to provide us with all these wonderful events that we may take for granted.

I hope all goes well for them.

DD

[AmeliaBurton]

 sharpie, on Nov 26 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Hey AB,

Maybe on the strength of this news we should have the GOR mara in May as our Plan B.
More time to prepare and that allows us to go back to running shorter on a Sunday  

See you at the Barra Bash.

Sharpie

Hey Sharpie,

Whats the GOR? I can't see it in calendar?

AB

[Bandanna]

 AmeliaBurton, on Nov 27 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

Whats the GOR? I can't see it in calendar?

AB

It's the Great Ocean Road Marathon  

[BostonCalling]

 AmeliaBurton, on Nov 27 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

Hey Sharpie,

Whats the GOR? I can't see it in calendar?

AB

GOR is the Great Ocean Road Marathon held in May.  It is a 45km event from Lorne to Apollo Bay.  Beautiful course and well organised.