Berlin World Championships Is On
#1
Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:14 AM
australians are walking 20km for medals
should be direct on TV
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#2
Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:20 AM
#3
Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:29 AM
Risely,Roff and 19 yr old Gregson who just needs a PB to impress
I'm also a fan of Collis Birmingham, and of course cant wait to see what color medal Sally Mclellan gets
Any one wanting to watch the world champs running events on SBS, they are as follows ( most are while we sleep lol)
Tuesday 18th 2am live womans 3k steeple final
mens 10k final, 7:15 am highlights before school
Wednesday 19th 2am live womans 400 final and mens 3k steeple (go youcef abdi)
Thursday 20th 2am live mens 1500 Risely should be in the final maybe roff as well
womans 800 final, and Sally Mclellan in 100hurdles
Friday 21st 3am live womans 400 hurdles final, mens 200 final
Saturday 22nd 3am live danny Samuels in the discus final, mens 400 final, 7:15 am highlights
7:30 pm live mens marathon this will be ace.
Sunday 23rd 3am live Steve Hooker pole vault, womans 5k final, 7:30 pm live womans marathon.
monday 24th 3am live mens 5k final, womans 1500, mens 800, men and woman 4 x 400 final
pity about the time differance but most morning they will have highlights at 7:15.....
I cant wait
Edited by LOVE22RUN, 15 August 2009 - 10:57 AM.
#4
Posted 15 August 2009 - 11:54 AM
20 km preview
Jared is expecting to go even better over the 50km later in the program.
Edited by thomo, 15 August 2009 - 11:56 AM.
#5
Posted 15 August 2009 - 02:28 PM
http://berlin.iaaf.org/results/racedate=08...009/bydate.html
it takes you to the WC web site: Timetable/Results By Date page.
On there it shows: Timetable in: Your Time | Berlin Time ( xx:xx:xx AM/PM ) if you click on: Your Time it will change the timetable/dates to AEST (which is 8 hours ahead of Berlin time).
#6
Posted 15 August 2009 - 03:37 PM
and yes Jared Talent can speed walk faster than most can run. Cant wait
Edited by LOVE22RUN, 15 August 2009 - 03:41 PM.
#7
Posted 15 August 2009 - 03:58 PM
#8
Posted 15 August 2009 - 04:19 PM
thomo, on Aug 15 2009, 11:54 AM, said:
20 km preview
Jared is expecting to go even better over the 50km later in the program.
Thomo, I will just watch the 20km and go to sleep, and watch the 50k tomorrow from replay
#9
Posted 15 August 2009 - 07:49 PM
Damn!
#11
Posted 16 August 2009 - 02:33 AM
Under 4min/km pace walking.Unbelievable.
Men's 20km Walk
AIS walkers Jared Tallent, Luke Adams and Adam Rutter stand before the iconic Brandenburg Gate in readiness for the men's 20km walk.
Athletes will walk ten laps of the two kilometre circuit at one of the most picturesque courses ever.
And they are off heading east down Unter den Linden for one kilometre before heading back towards the Brandenburg Gate to complete one lap of the circuit.
Jared Tallent, the Olympic bronze medallist in this event, and his Australian Flame teammates finalised their preparations at their high altitude camp in St Moritz, Switzerland.
Three athletes have broken away from the main pack in the early stages as they come through the Brandenburg Gate for the first time. The Australians all hold prominent positions in the second group only a few metres behind the leaders.
Luke Adams is no stranger to this race at the worlds, having been in the top ten at each of the last three editions. He was fifth in Paris (2003), tenth in Helsinki (2005) and seventh in Osaka two years ago.
At 4km, the Australians still maintain strong positions in the second group with Adams the best of the Aussies, as Norwegian Erik Tysse leads a group of four out in front.
A cool change at the 5km mark as the Australian's pass through showers lining the course, whilst one of the early leaders Moacir Zimmermann from Brasil is reeled in by the second group.
Adam Rutter is making hs debut at the senior world championships after a successful junior career that saw him set national records over 10km and 20km.
At 6km Rutter, Tallent and Adams maintain their positions in the second group which is now about 50m behind the leaders.
The retirement of three-time champ Jeffersen Perez of Ecuador will mean a new name appearing in the history books for the first time since 2001.
The 5km splits have just come through with Luke Adams in tenth 14 seconds behind the leaders at 20.14s and Rutter and Tallent sharing the same time of 20.15 in 14th and 17th position respectively.
At 7km it appears that Luke Adams has lost touch with the second group, but he his known for his ability to move through the field in the second half of his races.
Two Italians and a Norwegian lead the field through 8km. Rutter is looking good near the front of the chasing pack with Tallent not far behind. Luke Adams has one warning.
The Italians Rubino and Brugnetti are pushing the pace out in front. Rubino finished fifth this event in Osaka. 2008 Olympic champion Valeriy Borchin is currently in fifth place.
At the halfway mark the field is breaking up as Rubin leads Brugnetti the 2004 Olympic champion, with the Norwegian Tysse in third. Adam Rutter is in fifth 11 seconds behind the leaders in 39.59s. Tallent goes through in eighth at 40.00s. Adams is back in 20th position (40.35), 47 seconds behind the leader.
The championship record belongs to Perez with 1.17.21s set when winning his first title in Paris in 2003.
At 11km Rutter and Adams have one warning, whilst Tallent remains clean.
Rutter has now caught the lead group and is moving away from the others. Coach Brent Vallance was right when he said Rutter's preparation for the worlds was going well.
Rutter made his Olympic debut last year in the 50km walk and this strength is showing today in the German capital.
Rutter has China's Wang, the 2008 Olympic fourth place, Borshin, Lopez (Columbia) just off his shoulder. Tallent is still going well in about sixth place.
The Australian's pick up some fluids as they approach the 12km point with seven walkers in the lead pack.
Unfortunately Rutter is disqualified with three warnings at the 12km mark. A disappointing end for the 22-year old.
Australia's chances for a medal appear to belong to Tallent, the 2009 national champion, with Adams back in 20th position.
At 15km Tallent is in fifth position 14 seconds behind Wang and Borchin who hit the mark in 59.29s. Adams maintains his 20th place with one warning and goes through in 1.01.45.
The leaders go through the Brandenburg Gate for the eighth time with Wang and Borchin now asserting their authority on the field out in front. Tallent goes through in sixth place.
On the penultimate lap of the 2km circuit the 22-year old Borshin has moved out to a 10 meter lead over Wang.
Borchin goes through the Brandenburg Gate for the second last time with a commanding lead over Wang and it appears only disqualification can prevent the Russian adding the World title to the Olympic crown he won last year.
The Berlin crowd is really getting behind the athletes as the final few minutes of this event unfold to the tunes of Pink Floyd's The Wall.
With one kilometre to go, the clock has Borchin going through in 1.14.50. Wang is still in second 16 seconds behind.
Borchin is through the Brandenburg Gate and crosses the line in 1.18.41 to be crowned the first world champion of 2009.
Wang from China goes two better than at the Olympic Games to place second. Sanchez is in third.
Jared Tallent finishes in sixth place with a time of 1.20.27 his best result at the World Championships.
Luke Adams, in his fourth appearance placed 18th in 1.22.37, the first time he has finished outside the top 10.
The medal ceremony will be held at the Olympic Stadium later this afternoon.
A contented Tallent said of his sixth placing "You have got to be be on song to do well so I am happy, sixth place is nothing to sneeze at. It was good but you always like to be in the medals."
"It was good to have my training partner Adam up there with me. I feel really sorry for him that he was disqualified but he'll work on that and it will give him a lot of confidence.The same thing happened to me two years ago at the World Champs. I was in a similar position and got dq'd. The next year I went on to medal at the Olympic Games. As long as he works on his technique he will be a real star for the future."
Jared will contest the 50km event on Day 7, "I am looking forward to the next race I think my preparation will suit the 50 better, 80 minutes is pretty solid, I've only ever been about 40 seconds quicker so it holds me in good stead."
A philosophical Rutter was a surprise leader at the 11km mark. "You actually feel like you have a chance when you feel good at that part of the race, It was amazing."
However, after receiving three warnings he was eliminated. "I got disqualified in world juniors but I've been pretty good in the other overseas meets, I guess with these races you sort of have to test yourself."
#12
Posted 16 August 2009 - 09:19 AM
runner who buggers the pace and goes too fast, has allways the option to change the technique somehow, shake up the legs, stretch the muscles by lifting the knees higher or do few buttkicks etc etc and somehow recover or run with various technique modifications.
none of this in racewalk.
every walker has only 1 correct and legal technique, not the same 1 for everybody, but only 1.
if at any stage the walks is at pace which result in stiffer muscle , shorter muscle fibres or shorter stiffer tendons etc, the damage is irreversible during walk race, this has 2 possible outcomes :
slow down and keep slowing down while maintaining the legal technique,
or trying to keep the pace - which with damaged body leads to wrong technique and results in redcarting the walker out.
what were the 3-4 early leaders thinking I am not sure, they behaved like little athletics kids, who goes flat out from the start gun regardless what the distance, although some people never learn, since this is also everyrace occurance at masters races. Perhasp they just wanted to be on TV cameras for some while ?
Borchin seems to have his pace and splits preprogrammed into his watch. Looks like he evaluated his current form, evaluated the conditions, the course, the weathere etc and decided what his best possible performance is on the day and than calculated progressively faster pace to get him that finish time, calculated 5km splits and 2km splits.
not only the first 5km but also the second 5km and also the third 5km needs to be at pace which will not result in muscle-tendons stiffness, shortenning etc so the last 5km can be walked with fully flexible body at best correct legal technique and let it al go full steam ahead.
Thats what Borchin has done, walked his own ITT, regardless of what others were messing up around him or on front of him.
From the race is clear who messed up which 5km segment, first 5km had the early silly rabbits group
second 5km as Borchin walked his own pace, the group went with him and that second 5km was faster that abilities on the day of everybody in that group, including Jared and Adam,
Adam further pushing it during the next 5km and getting it red.
Jarred split of 40:00, showes he overcooked the second 5km, not much, so somehow was slowing down only marginaly, but slowing down anyway.
the same ideology as was the olympic marathon : realisticaly evaluate your own current form, all outside condition, calculate progressively faster splits for the calculated best possible performance on the day, and run/walk your own ITT regardless what others do.
In walking it is about muscles, not about heart, so the muscle-trechnique-pace relation is notreally correlated to HR values, ranges etc, using HRM to set-controll pace in walking at elite level is not usable at that high precision required, so HRM are useless during race.
lets see what girls will show sunday with their wiggling bums.
Edited by walker1st, 16 August 2009 - 09:28 AM.
#13
Posted 16 August 2009 - 04:43 PM
#14
Posted 16 August 2009 - 05:53 PM
Quote
What happened?
#16
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:39 AM
9.58s!!!
#17
Posted 17 August 2009 - 09:40 AM
who is that idiot who decided to have walks during midday when the sun is stringest ?
the continuation of sabotage of walks and marathons via chosing the time of day
is continuing at worlds and olympics
the judging politics is purely discusting, the red card selectors are either blind or evil.
they have no guts or political orientation to show the red cards to front runners and they compensate by showing red cards to midpack walkers to show that they were doing some kinda job by using red cards.
walking needs to change rules abouttechnique and needs desparately go into electronic/video/photo
judging.
The first step in my view needs to be the use of all video footage and photos to DQ all the judges -
sorry red card selectors - to DQ every judge who did not give Red card to runners and those judges who gave red cards to legal walkers.
Kaniskina is sytematicaly making mockery of the sport, using specific foot action to partialy mask her running style - she twist the foot outward - let the ankle twist outside and the fron ofthe foot drop down before touch down of teh front leg, so it looks there is no space between foot and the road,
while she is executing runningstyle pushoff takeoff with the back leg.
Red card selector standing on the outsdie of the road therefore see less of the noncontact.
One day Kaniskina will twist her ankles badly.
#19
Posted 17 August 2009 - 11:58 AM
Colin, on Aug 17 2009, 11:09 AM, said:
Definitely Risely...
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...according to this report and what I saw. Possibly Westhuizen had a similar incident, I didn't see it.
Edited by nando, 17 August 2009 - 11:59 AM.
#20
Posted 17 August 2009 - 12:34 PM
nando, on Aug 17 2009, 11:58 AM, said:
...according to this report and what I saw. Possibly Westhuizen had a similar incident, I didn't see it.
Yeah different incident, sorry......I wasn't aware that Risely had been DQ'ed and didn't really see him do anything serious.
The v.d. Westhuizen incident was very obvious, the guy on his inside was pushed left and would have hit advertising board and actually had to run on the inside of that board on the field and around it for about 10m...I just assumed there would have been an issue with that rather.
cheers
#21
Posted 17 August 2009 - 04:37 PM
No-one can walk at sub 4min pace. That's just running, with a weird straight-legged action. If they want the walks in the Olympics, how hard would it be to have sensors in the shoes... if anyone has both feet off the ground at the same time: BZZZ, one strike. Two more and you're out.
Sure it'd slow them down. But at least they'd be actually walking, rather than running strangely. I'm not into racewalking, but at the top level it looks like an absolute farce to me.
#22
Posted 17 August 2009 - 04:37 PM
exactly 1 week from her Berlin world champ marathon.
her comments from translated article was, that her leg is now fully healed, but she did not have
time for training of course and her legs are not used to racing on road.
she said she is fine after half bout next few days will only show how she is recovering etc.
was that a big gamble, was it smart or what ?
#23
Posted 17 August 2009 - 04:55 PM
walker1st, on Aug 17 2009, 04:37 PM, said:
exactly 1 week from her Berlin world champ marathon.
her comments from translated article was, that her leg is now fully healed, but she did not have
time for training of course and her legs are not used to racing on road.
she said she is fine after half bout next few days will only show how she is recovering etc.
was that a big gamble, was it smart or what ?
Men's 10000mtrs is on at 4:50 EST tomorrow. World record holder, Bekele is running + two aussies Birmingham and McNeill.
#24
Posted 17 August 2009 - 06:23 PM
I havent seen anyone absolutley demolish the field since Ben Johnson 1988 and Marion Jones 2000, and yes i am aware they weren't clean.
Looking forward to him attacking the 400m - cant wait.
#25
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:08 PM
#26
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:29 PM
Have to agree don't stop. Good comments on race walking
#27
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:56 PM
#28
Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:10 PM
schedenfraude - had a chuckle to myself that Tamsyn Lewis was deselected for the 400m hurdles - she drops down to the less competitive event and still can't run the bare minimum qualifying time... Apparently she had a complete dummy spit on Facebook over it. Looking at the times she ran in her trials, there is no way she should have been allowed to run. Injured and half-fit, Jana still ran much faster...
#29
Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:50 PM
balri, on Aug 17 2009, 07:08 PM, said:
Achilles tendons are stuffed from road racing I suspect, he won like 18 road races in a row before bombing Beijing. Apparently he is self coached now (according to AA website) time will tell if he makes it back ?
#31
Posted 18 August 2009 - 06:52 AM
forces 1 runner into 10k-5k double to produce DNF to save for the second race.
look you are able to run 3.37 in your own pace if you do it as an ITT regardless what others do,
however thats not smart, lets save some energy, run slower run chaotic pace and place well back.
oh you did not get into final ? tell the TV camera that the pace did not suit you.
within 1 minute Russia lost 2 golds they were counting on, Bubka's face was speaking clear and loud.
Bolt - after his win he was hungry went to burgers king and bought huge amount of take-away food
Bolt could not remember, on what level he and JAM team stays in hotel, got out at wrong level
( czech team ) and was knocking on various door confused, where all the JAM has gone. czech javelin thrower was still awake - 1 am so he opened the door and there was Bolt holding all take take away stuff. He ask Bolt - look if you want me to I can wake up Zuzana Hejna - she would be soo exited to have you in her bedroom. The story did not say if Bolt accepted the offer.
impressive CUB double in TJ
4 JAM in final - is there any betting for 4x100 ?
while Bekele is master and prepares for the important race, Taddesse was also very very impressive
hope they are both doing 5km too
#32
Posted 18 August 2009 - 09:48 AM
Bolt 100m = 9.58 is equivalent to :
1:59 marathon
12,33 110m hurdles
251 cm high jump
916 cm long jump
18,99 tripplejump
640 PV
100,37 metres in javelin (98 metres -Zelezny is considered unbreakable)
#33
Posted 18 August 2009 - 10:50 AM
Sparkie, on Aug 17 2009, 08:10 PM, said:
Sparkie...welcome back, but do you only come out of 'retirement' to have a go at Tamsyn?
Great 10,000. Fantastic effort by Tadesse laying it on the line in a vain effort to nullify Bekele's kick...by my reckoning (thanks to SBS we didn't see them hit 5,000m) the second 5km would have been under 13min !
...and I can't resist...none of the top four when they took off ran with a forefoot strike
Even when Tadesse and Bekele (the two most economical runners tested) ran at 62sec laps they both landed on midfoot/heel (oops edit), with the excessively high backlift and pendulum swing as I have described numerous times.
...but we still seem to have CR's think that nature tells us to run forefoot.
Edited by Colin, 18 August 2009 - 11:27 AM.
#34
Posted 18 August 2009 - 11:08 AM
Colin, on Aug 18 2009, 10:50 AM, said:
Have to admit I was screaming at the telly when they went for that long ad break at the key stage of the race. The IAAF blog though has the 5km split at 13:40 so a 13:06 second 5km for Bekele. Got to hand it to Tadesse, he's a gutsy runner.
#35
Posted 18 August 2009 - 01:55 PM
#36
Posted 18 August 2009 - 02:20 PM
walker1st, on Aug 18 2009, 06:52 AM, said:
She came in at 4.75 & missed, the eventual winner, Anna Rogowska from Poland cleared it on her 1st attempt. So Isinbaeva had to pass at that height to be in with a chance of winning. No one cleared the next height of 4.80. Isinbaeva was left with a no height. Her P.B is 5.05 and season best is 4.85. The winners best is 4.83.
I love watching Pole Vault, my favourite field event.
#37
Posted 18 August 2009 - 03:27 PM
Sparkie, on Aug 17 2009, 05:10 AM, said:
Ironic she quit the 800 citing the 400H as less competitive the year the 800 has ridiculously slow qualifying times in the semis and the 400H heats had some great times. Hopefully the 800 final won't be run at snail's pace.
#38
Posted 18 August 2009 - 03:51 PM
I love Steve Ovetts commentary, I am not so sure about Peter Matthews, I cant stand David Basheer, who appears to have no clue and spends his time reading cue cards, Emma Simpkins is not so bad at commentary, but she is terrible on interviews, and asks the most inane questions, and regardless of whether she is male or female she looks like she has just rolled out of bed when she does the start of program discussions.
Coverage, SBS seems to have timed the ads without any reference to the competition taking place, I was surprised that the 100m was not interrupted with an ad break.
Good bits.
It is great to have live athletics on TV.
It is good that they are giving good coverage to events such at throws jumps etc.
Getting to see lots of heats semis etc(Only chance to see Australians and Irish athletes).
Other
Crap Starters
Crap athletes who want to showboat before getting in set position
Athletes who should know better, running slow in heats, knowing they could be eliminated, and then do
Pushing and shoving in the middle distance races, because race pace is too slow
Cant believe that the 2nd place in the womens 100m was not DQ for running out of her lane as per IAAF RULE 163.3
#39
Posted 18 August 2009 - 04:22 PM
key, on Aug 18 2009, 12:27 AM, said:
Not quite sure about that in the final semi only 2 qualified as the race was a walk, in the other two semis you had to run 1.59.72 just to make final. Tamsyns best time is just half a second under that, so she would have struggled to qualify for final. Should not have had any problem with the heats though.
#40
Posted 18 August 2009 - 04:29 PM
HillsAths1, on Aug 18 2009, 03:51 PM, said:
Usain Bolt?
HillsAths1, on Aug 18 2009, 03:51 PM, said:
Can't believe that all the Aussie reports say that Risely had a chance of top 5 coming into last lap...he was never going to match it on a kick.
v..d Westhuizen is probably a similar calibre but at least he led for three laps trying to force pace to nullify kick, Risley just followed the pack.
#41
Posted 18 August 2009 - 04:33 PM
HillsAths1, on Aug 18 2009, 03:51 PM, said:
If an athlete either:
(a) runs outside his lane in the straight, and no material advantage
is gained or
(
material advantage thereby being gained,
and no other athlete is obstructed then he shall likewise not be
disqualified.
Edited to add I am not from the IAAF as I don't have a taser as said by a melbourne based CR poster in January 2009.
Edited by thomo, 18 August 2009 - 04:35 PM.
#42
Posted 18 August 2009 - 04:39 PM
Colin, on Aug 18 2009, 01:29 AM, said:
Bolt, makes faces etc while he is waiting for Starter and Gay to get their acts together, I was thinking more of a certain Japenese runner who was doing his stretches while everybody else was in the marks position.
Gay having a drink of water is just a way to delay the rest of the runners, should not be allowed, he was also last to get his tights and top off. Perhaps if he was quicker in getting undressed he may be quicker running as well.
Starters should warn athletes who delay the rest of the field, DQ a couple and a 100m race wont take 15 minutes!!!
I also cant believe that a second guy was DQ'd for false starting(100m earlier rounds) when he clearly followed the runner next to him who did break.
#43
Posted 18 August 2009 - 05:05 PM
The 100m final is always a great event, and I'm glad the showboating attitude-enhanced sprinter boys milk it for all it's worth and extend the drama for a good 10 minutes. All part of the show really. If it was done and dusted in a minute, it'd be a bit 'blink and you miss it'. Wouldn't be surprised if the organisers didn't encourage it anyway: it's the one event that the public really want to see, and advertisers wouldn't be happy if it came and went too quickly.
If anyone saw it, what happened with Youcef Abdi in the steeplechase? I know he didn't progress with a slow time, but any particular reason why?
#44
Posted 18 August 2009 - 05:15 PM
Just go make a cup of tea while you are waiting for start...or record it like I do and scan through the stuff you don't want to see.
#45
Posted 18 August 2009 - 06:07 PM
irrelevant?? .....running a national record of 9.71 and winning silver behind the fastest ever??
you're joking me...
#46
Posted 18 August 2009 - 10:29 PM
#47
Posted 19 August 2009 - 06:06 AM
and seemed to be pissed off with her performance.
The girls javelin area 51 looked like NASA activity, althought this time it was in direct TV telecast.
Shooting for the moon, who throws higher, insted for the distance.
Praque, we have a problem.
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I did not wake up soon enough to see "Sally in the heat"
she is possibly the only auusie runner to have a real coach in full meaning of the word.
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the fastest 400m hurdling girls landing nicely on their balls,
not having time to stick out their middwhatever landing gear
#48
Posted 22 August 2009 - 05:43 AM
50km walk - basicaly the same comments as for 20km walk and as for Beinjg olympic men marathon
hardly anybody is able to realisticaly judge their performnce ability on teh day and than execute teh correct pace during various stages ofthe race.
it is great to lead midrace, TV cameras exposure, adrenaline and stuff like that, but walking for the medals is something else.
#49
Posted 22 August 2009 - 04:15 PM
#50
Posted 22 August 2009 - 05:02 PM
justanothercoach, on Aug 22 2009, 04:15 PM, said:
Great reactions - especialy with the other aussie athletes in the background (check out Sally sitting behind Dennis)
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