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[runhard]

Im counting the sleeps.  Cant wait!  Should be great rain or shine   See you all there.

[Colin]

Horrie, on Dec 27 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Timmeister and I have been given the gig of going out to the Castle to make sure runners using this run as their 6 Foot qualifier go all the way out.

Horrie, thanks so much for giving up an opportunity to run.  

All the unqualified, please call out your name as you get to the turn, so that Horrie can record a 'time of day' which we can match to the validation time submitted. I will also send an email  reminder to the unqualified group.
This race is not organised by 6FT, but I am trying to make sure we have integrity in the qualification with the 'fat ass' races.

Edited by Colin, 28 December 2009 - 09:56 PM.

[Jogger]

Maybe all those aiming to use it as a qualifier have to announce it by writing their name on a list at the start also ? that way horrie will have a list at the turnaround and we can have a list at the finish ?

[Colin]

JoggerK, on Dec 29 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Maybe all those aiming to use it as a qualifier have to announce it by writing their name on a list at the start also ? that way horrie will have a list at the turnaround and we can have a list at the finish ?

Already discussed with Horrie and as I said I will email them too.

However, this is just a service Horrie is doing for us...it is up to those trying for qualifying to make sure they have their name on list, start time, finish time and that they call their name out to Horrie...he doesn't have to ask them.
It is not 6FT's responsibility, but if someone puts down a dubious time and there is no evidence to back it up, it will not be accepted...that will be made clear to them in email.

Edited by Colin, 29 December 2009 - 10:09 AM.

[buzzlightyear]

Hi Kev,

Let me know if you need more water drops at the top of the climb. I hve two of Orimbah's water container and plan to return to him that day. I live 20 mimutes away so easy for me if brewer's Keg is not sufficient. I can drop off an Esky too with some drinks

Since the weather is predicated to be wet, it mighht not be needed.

Edit: Grammer

Edited by buzzlightyear, 29 December 2009 - 10:31 AM.

[Mick]

buzzlightyear, on Dec 29 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

I hve two of Orimbah's water container and plan to return to him that day.

I thought Ourimbah was doing a Nigel and holding hands with SlowManiac on their run to Mittagong ?

PS I was going to suggest there should be a gold coin donation for those accepting drinks. I plan to run with back pack so won't need the drinks, but happy to make a donation for a cupcake at the end.

[Jogger]

Buzz, it looks like you have talked yourself into the "top of the mountain" aid station. Thanks. Horrie seems to have the other well covered. I am sure you have seen how much we have had in previous years ie not nearly enough, so whatever you can organise is great. I park at the end of Turner Road and walk in as far as I have time to go. Usually early on NYD eg 5.30am, 6am.

I think a gold coin tin at the end is a great idea for those consuming drinks.

All : do NOT rely on there being adequate drinks, BYO. and if are lucky enough to receive some aid, just take SOME and leave enough for others. No piggies.

Regardless of the weather forecast - aim for a hot one.

[buzzlightyear]

haha..No worries. Not one of those Fireworks suckers on NYE so will be having an early night. Consider it sorted.

Will have cordials in one container and water in another. Esky will have a few cans of normal cokes and maybe some other drinks

If I have time, will add in some fruits and stuff.

I am coming from the Upper north shore. If anyone needs a ride (and wouldn't mind carrying the other jerry can) PM me. nd will arrange to pick you up!(and make you do manual labour as warm up before run) And yes, I will be leaving early!!!

p/s: Gold Coin  welcome

Edited by buzzlightyear, 29 December 2009 - 11:43 AM.

[brewer]

buzzlightyear, on Dec 29 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Let me know if you need more water drops at the top of the climb. I hve two of Orimbah's water container and plan to return to him that day. I live 20 mimutes away so easy for me if brewer's Keg is not sufficient. I can drop off an Esky too with some drinks

Buzz,

the keg is for after the race. Was going to drop esky with some cokes & waters at the top of the climb. Probably see you out there.

[buzzlightyear]

Quote

the keg is for after the race.

Why after the race?

Cool. I will be at the end of the road around 5.30am. We might be able to help each other with the water drop etc.!

[PinkSkirt]

Lorax and I will be there for this one again. Last year when we did it we had just started running and didn't know a soul. This year, we'll recognise lots of you CRs!

BTW, it's a good idea to leave time to get pulled over for an RBT along the way. Last year the cop who stopped us looked at our running gear and laughed, "If you two are drunk, we're all in trouble."

[EverReadyBunny]

Hi Buzz,

Happy to give you a hand with the water drops..

I will make my own way there as coming from another location but happy to go a bit earlier and assist with the drops if needed. If the weather is cool it should be fine. I have seen those drops on a hot day after the pack has gone through. I still remember sucking on a piece of ice and considering myself lucky Mmm it was a good piece of ice.

Edited by EverReadyBunny, 29 December 2009 - 03:55 PM.

[Ourimbah]

Hey BYL..

Spoke to Mick he will get  the water containers from you at the end.

Have fun all,hope you enjoy

Cheers

Darrel

[Runaway Lass]

Anyone headed to the race from the eastern suburbs at all ?  

[Paul Every]

I'm hoping to be there for my first run in a while. I'll just have to see how the body is shaping up.

[kb]

Runaway Lass, on Dec 29 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Anyone headed to the race from the eastern suburbs at all ?  

We are heading to the run from St Peters.

Can we pick you up from somewhere?

kb

[rodthehornet]

Will be there.  Hoping to meet and have a bit of a run with Johnbo......

[noindifference]

Anyone who could give me a lift from West Sydney / Greystanes? I will be happy to share petrol costs... I am coming back from nearly 2 years of injury and I want 2010 to be my come back to ultra

[DownhillDiva]

Horrie, on Dec 27 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Timmeister and I have been given the gig of going out to the Castle to make sure runners using this run as their 6 Foot qualifier go all the way out.

This will be my 4th go at this event, but will attempt the fully monty this time.
Thank you Kev, Horrie & all others for organising, it is a brilliant way to start a new year  

Last year I had a lovely time spending about 20 min exploring the Castle & taking in the views, however this year I am out to flog myself  

The last couple of years there have been a bunch of runners leave at 0600, and this was my plan this year as well.   Being slow it would suit me and help beat the heat.  There is only a slim chance I might qualify but I have to try!

What time will you guys be out at the Castle (I don’t expect to be there before 2.5 hr)?

[Aunty K]

kb, on Dec 30 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

We are heading to the run
kb

Yep, we will be there too this year  

I've not done this run for 2 years so really looking forward to it.

See you all there!

AK

[Wollemi]

noindifference, on Dec 30 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Anyone who could give me a lift from West Sydney / Greystanes? I will be happy to share petrol costs... I am coming back from nearly 2 years of injury and I want 2010 to be my come back to ultra

Noindifference;  I can give you a lift.  I may not be able to give you a lift home.

Travelling from the Blue Mountains, I hope to do the 6am start and do the 33 km.  Being new to competitive running, you may be able to convince me otherwise, because I am thinking of leaving Springwood at 4am.

Edited by Wollemi, 31 December 2009 - 01:21 PM.

[DownhillDiva]

Just realised I may not be able to start at 6, as most likely there won't be anyone there at 6 with a list to sign will there? Oh well!  

[otisr]

DownhillDiva, on Dec 30 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

Just realised I may not be able to start at 6, as most likely there won't be anyone there at 6 with a list to sign will there? Oh well!  

Hello DownhillDiva,

If you really want to qualify, and you really want to leave at 6.00am, i would be happy to journey down earlier and start with you.  I have done the BTBS run a few times, know the course and have a Garmin, so i could pace you and make sure the rules are not bent.  But only if you are keen on qualifying.  I would be happy to help out here. As long as this is approved by the 6ft Board.  If not then i will do a 7.00am start and go for a 4hr pb myself.  LOve this run - hard but good.

Otisr

[Mick]

otisr, on Dec 30 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

If not then i will do a 7.00am start and go for a 4hr pb myself.  LOve this run - hard but good.

BTBS should be around your marathon time, isn't sub-4 a bit soft for you ?

[Bandanna]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

BTBS should be around your marathon time, isn't sub-4 a bit soft for you ?

I was wondering when the sledging would start  

[Mister G]

The weather forecast isn't too bad, could easily be a lot worse.

Friday Jan 1 Possible shower 20°C 26°C Chance of Rain 30%

[otisr]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

BTBS should be around your marathon time, isn't sub-4 a bit soft for you ?

Ssshhhhh......yes it is, but the last time i put up a goal, i did not get it - GNW100 2009.  So time to start a little soft and build up.

(Sekret training for GNW100 2010 has started.  Sekret training for 2010 sub 3hr marathon has started. Sekret training for 2010 Grand Slam has started.  Sekret training for NYM has started. Sekret trainign to beat Central Coast runners - started..... )

[otisr]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

BTBS should be around your marathon time, isn't sub-4 a bit soft for you ?

I thought it best to hold back and escort well known Central Coast runners, as there are some tough parts to this run - the entry to the ferry, the departure off the ferry, the roundabaout near the finish - i am sure the CC cr's need a helping hand here.

[Horrie]

It is up to Colin to set the qualifying guidelines as he is the RD of 6 Foot.

But as the person that is being sent out to the castle to ensure runners reach that point before turning around, I will not be leaving the start until the runners have started at 7am. Therefore I plan to be at the castle before the leading runners after doing the drinks drop.

So if you don't see me at the castle I cannot verify that you reached there. No verification from me means no 6 Foot qualifier.

My advice would be if you want to use this run as a 6 Foot qualifier then you should start with everybody else at 7am.

[Sir Runalot]

After Horrie's Run on Sunday and a couple of solid hit-outs yesterday and today I'm feeling pretty stuffed but plan to come along. Last long one before B2H so will try to take it pretty easy (yeah, right). 

There will be a strong contingent of Berowra Bush Runners in attendance (this is our back yard after all) to welcome one and all. Watch out for B2, she's on fire.

Just remember all you 'fatasses', there are a couple of pretty skinny gaps in the rocks to climb through on the way back up from the ferry, leave your bumbag at home  .

[Johnbo]

rodthehornet, on Dec 30 2009, 09:52 AM, said:

Will be there.  Hoping to meet and have a bit of a run with Johnbo......

Yep. Will be there and looking forward to it!

Pleased to run with you Rod, as i am just about as sloooow as you are .... (sorry...wrong thread!)

Actually looks like Caleb, with whom i ran this in August is out with lower back problems, and thankfully I won't have to try and keep up with him (...he is wave 1 six foot)

Johnbo

[Colin]

Horrie, on Dec 30 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

It is up to Colin to set the qualifying guidelines as he is the RD of 6 Foot.

But as the person that is being sent out to the castle to ensure runners reach that point before turning around, I will not be leaving the start until the runners have started at 7am. Therefore I plan to be at the castle before the leading runners after doing the drinks drop.

So if you don't see me at the castle I cannot verify that you reached there. No verification from me means no 6 Foot qualifier.

My advice would be if you want to use this run as a 6 Foot qualifier then you should start with everybody else at 7am.

I have emailed all in the non-qualified group and they should now know what to do...but your advice here is pretty much spot on Horrie.

Thanks

[Mick]

otisr, on Dec 30 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

I thought it best to hold back and escort well known Central Coast runners, as there are some tough parts to this run - the entry to the ferry, the departure off the ferry, the roundabaout near the finish - i am sure the CC cr's need a helping hand here.

Yes, we know how awesome Newcastle runners are  

Carl will be the first Coastie given there are some good runable sections in the middle and at the end for him to stretch out on.

It would be excellent if someone took a camera with them to get a picture of the ferry full of runners.

I have been looking forward to doing this run again for 12 months ... it is just so unique with a bit of everything (road, fire trail, single track, views, climbs that knock the stuffing out of you) and a ferry that groups people together twice so you get a chat and a rest mid-run ... can't wait

[Bunny]

I'm hoping to do the BTBS as my first fatass and first "proper" trail run.  

Given the 100,000 calories I've put away over Xmas, I should be well carb loaded.  

Looking forward to meeting you all!

[runhard]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

BTBS should be around your marathon time,

I thought it was suppose to be harder than a road marathon.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated

I havent dont it but am looking forward to friday even with all the new procedures to qualify.  Just hope I remember to say hello and introduce myself to Horrie at the half way mark. Thankfully they havent changed the time to 4hours for qualifying for 6ft otherwise I think I would be struggling  

See you all nice and early next year!!! Im counting down the minutes.  Sad but true!!!

RH

[Ourimbah]

otisr, on Dec 30 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

I thought it best to hold back and escort well known Central Coast runners, as there are some tough parts to this run - the entry to the ferry, the departure off the ferry, the roundabaout near the finish - i am sure the CC cr's need a helping hand here.

Good on you Otisr,I would watch out for Mick he is known to take a short cut or 2.but those Newcastle runners don't seem to be the same without  " OSMO ".

[Mick]

runhard, on Dec 30 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

I thought it was suppose to be harder than a road marathon.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated

There is some truth to my statement. If you subtracted the time you spent on or waiting for the ferry (say 15-20 minutes) it would be about right.

If you look at the pdf in the 2009 Results Post, if you took 15 minutes off these people's time it would be about right.

It does depend on the person, some people lose a lot of time on trails, others don't. 6ft is similar, some people can do 6ft in 1.3x of their marathon, others are more like 1.6x.

So yes, BTBS is probably one of the easiest ways to qualify for 6ft, certainly much easier than running a sub-4 marathon. I believe it is designed this way as 6ft isn't a nice flat road course.

[Mick]

Ourimbah, on Dec 30 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

Good on you Otisr,I would watch out for Mick he is known to take a short cut or 2.but those Newcastle runners don't seem to be the same without  " OSMO ".

Surely you aren't STILL on about me smashing your Mooney to Patonga record. Yes I ran on the sand, that is the path the GNW takes, get over it. You can only dream of getting there in 2:41  

[runhard]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

There is some truth to my statement. If you subtracted the time you spent on or waiting for the ferry (say 15-20 minutes) it would be about right.

If you look at the pdf in the 2009 Results Post, if you took 15 minutes off these people's time it would be about right.

It does depend on the person, some people lose a lot of time on trails, others don't. 6ft is similar, some people can do 6ft in 1.3x of their marathon, others are more like 1.6x.

So yes, BTBS is probably one of the easiest ways to qualify for 6ft, certainly much easier than running a sub-4 marathon. I believe it is designed this way as 6ft isn't a nice flat road course.

Thanks Mick. Cant wait. maybe I will follow you and your shortcuts   It might help me!

Actually I just looked at your times.  I will wave as you run off at the start!!

RH

Edited by runhard, 30 December 2009 - 08:19 PM.

[Mick]

runhard, on Dec 30 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

Thanks Mick. Cant wait. maybe I will follow you and your shortcuts   It might help me!

Hey, don't you start, there is a long list of people wanting to sledge me, take a number and get in line  

[Ourimbah]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

Hey, don't you start, there is a long list of people wanting to sledge me, take a number and get in line  

Mate your safe with me..

I can't make it Friday as there is some greener grass up in the mountains for me .

Make sure you say hello to Horrie and don't forget to  stick to those splits I sent.

Watch out for those secret Garmins hanging around.

[judo]

This may sound like a stupid question, but is this an actual race? I realise people are going for qualifying times for 6FT, but are the majority of runners just 'running' enjoying the start of the new year or out there competing, going for a time?

JUDO

[Gento]

I'll be there - last training run before hobart marathon.
good time to test the new soles in my shoes too

[Mick]

judo, on Dec 30 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

This may sound like a stupid question, but is this an actual race? I realise people are going for qualifying times for 6FT, but are the majority of runners just 'running' enjoying the start of the new year or out there competing, going for a time?

JUDO

You should do it Judo !!!

I take it back that Carl will be the fastest Coastie if you turn up.

Not a race, no fees, no awards, not even official results, just bragging rights. Last year people wrote their finish times on a piece of paper at the end. I think most try for a time.

Edited by Mick, 30 December 2009 - 09:39 PM.

[Colin]

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

If you look at the pdf in the 2009 Results Post, if you took 15 minutes off these people's time it would be about right.

Seems to me that most of those are a fair bit more than 15min slower over BTBS...but it depends how hard they were running...you cannot compare it to their marathon PB at all.

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

So yes, BTBS is probably one of the easiest ways to qualify for 6ft, certainly much easier than running a sub-4 marathon. I believe it is designed this way as 6ft isn't a nice flat road course.

Marathon to 6FT conversions are not really due to people's ability to run trails. 6FT is not very technical at all, save for the bit down Nellies Glen...and I haven't really seen a 'trail runner' (or not a road runner) stay with me down Nellies yet.

More likely reason for variance in conversion is the way people run the race...those who run too fast in first half etc.

Mick, on Dec 30 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

So yes, BTBS is probably one of the easiest ways to qualify for 6ft, certainly much easier than running a sub-4 marathon. I believe it is designed this way as 6ft isn't a nice flat road course.

...and therefore the above will change. If BTBS is still a qualifier, it will be much tighter and/or road marathons will have a bit more slack, which will also make people less dependent on Sydney centric fat asses.

judo, on Dec 30 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

This may sound like a stupid question, but is this an actual race? I realise people are going for qualifying times for 6FT, but are the majority of runners just 'running' enjoying the start of the new year or out there competing, going for a time?

Not really a race, though obviously there will be battles up front (if close) or between certain people.

However, the only people who will have 'authentic' times are the qualifiers.

[THE KEG]

Will try to get 2010 off to a good start. Has to be a better running year than this year.......Missed BTBS last year due to injury but enjoyed the previous 2 years.Will only be doing the party pooper with lots of walking.Might as well start the year with a last-only got one this year...May go across the ferry and run a bit on other side ( have never been on the ferry before)and then take road option.

[MPHinLondon]

Mister G, on Dec 30 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

The weather forecast isn't too bad, could easily be a lot worse.

Friday Jan 1 Possible shower 20°C 26°C Chance of Rain 30%

That's about 20 degrees cooler than one year I did it!

[Mick]

Colin, on Dec 30 2009, 10:57 PM, said:

Seems to me that most of those are a fair bit more than 15min slower over BTBS...but it depends how hard they were running...you cannot compare it to their marathon PB at all.

I think there are plenty of examples where 15-20 is about right. Could Alex have run sub 2:30 ? I doubt B2, Mick, Milov, or Kelvin would have been able to do much better than 3:15. Maybe those who don't convert well are not use to the type of trail BTBS presents.

Happy to concede I didn't look past the first page, so a multiplier like 1.1 might be more accurate for others. Perhaps someone can come up with a nice formula that takes into account your trail running ability.

Colin, on Dec 30 2009, 10:57 PM, said:

Marathon to 6FT conversions are not really due to people's ability to run trails. 6FT is not very technical at all, save for the bit down Nellies Glen...and I haven't really seen a 'trail runner' (or not a road runner) stay with me down Nellies yet.

More likely reason for variance in conversion is the way people run the race...those who run too fast in first half etc.

Being a trail runner is more than just being a twinkle toes. I agree that 6ft doesn't require a lot of skill. But you need to be able to handle hills, loose surfaces, can run at varied paces and strides, but probably more importantly (what you have stated) know how to pace yourself. Road marathon's require almost a constant effort, stride, heart rate, etc and they contain nothing a trail runner would consider a hill.

PS Sounds like Colin has put out the challenge for a run down Nellies.

Edited by Mick, 31 December 2009 - 06:40 AM.

[seris]

Hope to be there for a slow first long run since C2K. Will depend on what time our guests leave after tonights festivities

[Runaway Lass]

kb, on Dec 30 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

We are heading to the run from St Peters.

Can we pick you up from somewhere?

kb

Hi Kb

I sent you a message with further info
Thanks