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[Davo]

Staypuff and I were talking a while ago and we both agreed that we'd like to do C2K but we were too slow to make the cutoff.
We then mooted the idea of doing our own C2K, possibly in the April of one year (not necessarily 2011), running at our own pace and just doing it to say we'd done it!
I wonder how many other slow runners are of that thinking?
Perhaps we could do a fatass "Poor man's C2K" ?

[RobHall]

I can't vouch for everyone but when its an event you tend to push harder than otherwise acheivable.  Your resolve is much stronger.  And then on the other hand I also sort of think it might even be a bit risky to do by yourself without the guidance and in complete isolation of anyone else.  

And then again I have thought of doing as a fatass with a few friends over 3or4 days just to do it without the pressure.

But then again (for the last time) I would have thought about this event everyday for at least 3months after I'd done it and its something slow but determined runners such as myself should definitely aim to do one day

[walker1st]

Davo, on Aug 5 2010, 08:52 PM, said:

Staypuff and I were talking a while ago and we both agreed that we'd like to do C2K but we were too slow to make the cutoff.
We then mooted the idea of doing our own C2K, possibly in the April of one year (not necessarily 2011), running at our own pace and just doing it to say we'd done it!
I wonder how many other slow runners are of that thinking?
Perhaps we could do a fatass "Poor man's C2K" ?

Davo, you have my full attention...
would like to be unsuported, no car

however April is a Coburg time

Melbourne cup weekend is perfect I would think,
we would finish 1 month before the pros would,
so could hold year best performance for a while

[Davo]

walker1st, on Aug 5 2010, 11:26 AM, said:

Davo, you have my full attention...
would like to be unsuported, no car

however April is a Coburg time

Melbourne cup weekend is perfect I would think,
we would finish 1 month before the pros would,
so could hold year best performance for a while

Good thinking, Rudi. But I wouldn't even dream of trying this without a support crew. That would be madness.
Staypuff's idea of late March sounds good.

[brettsrun]

Suggestions of running a Fatass style C2k I think would carry some concerns from one angle at least.
Remember its an official race that requires permits and a lot of safety put in place, it is on public roads.

I guess anyone is free to run where ever with in the law but if doing a Fatass run over the C2K course it would be advisable I think to not make any references to it being "the C2K" that you are doing.

If something was to happen to a runner "hit by car" apart from the terrible injuries that may occur, if it was to reach the authorities that a runner was simulating the C2K run off there own back it may adversely effect the future official running of the event.

Similar things have had potential consequences with unofficial runs through Parks Land putting official races in jepoardy,

something to consider

[Brick]

brettsrun, on Aug 6 2010, 09:32 AM, said:

Suggestions of running a Fatass style C2k I think would carry some concerns from one angle at least.
Remember its an official race that requires permits and a lot of safety put in place, it is on public roads.

I guess anyone is free to run where ever with in the law but if doing a Fatass run over the C2K course it would be advisable I think to not make any references to it being "the C2K" that you are doing.

If something was to happen to a runner "hit by car" apart from the terrible injuries that may occur, if it was to reach the authorities that a runner was simulating the C2K run off there own back it may adversely effect the future official running of the event.

Similar things have had potential consequences with unofficial runs through Parks Land putting official races in jepoardy,

something to consider

Very good point.

[Davo]

Yeah, right Stella.
It's just someone going for a long training run isn't it. And most of us on our training runs like to see, at least approximately, what time we're doing.
Okay, so it's a long training run: from Eden to Mt. Kossie. Makes no difference and it's nothing to do with the official race.

[walker1st]

once the civilization is taken over by lawyers, is dead, over, needs to colaps asap

[brettsrun]

staypuff, on Aug 6 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

sometimes i wonder about the world of ultra.

first i was told my entry to kosci probably wouldnt get accwepted as i dont have the experience. than after getting sick i decide to do something for myself and now im being told that by doing so i may jeoprodise a whole race.. Seriously guys. People run all over the place along highways through mountains..

Are we really that precious that we have to try and keep all but our mates out of doing anything..

I never planned for this to really be a public thng but im not about to not go ahead because of some stupid opinion

Most ultras appear to have started as fat ass events. Anyway one thing ive learnt about Kosci is peole just seem to not want me to do it lol. Just makes me more determined to get it done

Staypuff, I think you have totally missed the point. - and in my opinon only you couldnt find a more welcoming friendly and accepting of all people in the ultra world - just my opinion!

As i said anyone can run anywhere within the law, by that i mean you cant run down a motorway its against the law! "Except with Permit"
I have no knowledge of wether you have been advised you cant officially enter or not, its nothing to do with me.
I am sure you are aware for all sorts of safety reason race directors have rules in place, that are used to assess entries.

I have supported you with offers to help run F2P and I have always found runners very supportive of each other especially if they arent running events, they offer to help out.

Keeping all but our mates out, your so wrong, a more inclusive group in the running world you would struggle to find, "my first hand experience to ultras and C2K" as new comer was like being welcomed in as family.

If you didnt want the subject to be public, perhaps avoid posting the subject on a public forum.

As for "Stupid", hmm not sure about that,  Crazy quite possibly

Davo, you seemed to miss the point to and as a race director thought you may have got it.

Sorry Virtual, happy for admin to move the posts elswhere

[Brick]

staypuff, on Aug 6 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

sometimes i wonder about the world of ultra.

first i was told my entry to kosci probably wouldnt get accwepted as i dont have the experience. than after getting sick i decide to do something for myself and now im being told that by doing so i may jeoprodise a whole race.. Seriously guys. People run all over the place along highways through mountains..

Are we really that precious that we have to try and keep all but our mates out of doing anything..

I never planned for this to really be a public thng but im not about to not go ahead because of some stupid opinion

Most ultras appear to have started as fat ass events. Anyway one thing ive learnt about Kosci is peole just seem to not want me to do it lol. Just makes me more determined to get it done

Stella I have done nothing but help you with information about training for C2K and Ultra's in general, so don't agree that anybody is trying to keep you out or we are keeping to a few mates.
Brett mentioning being careful not to jeopardise the race is a valid point and yourself and Davo post on the C2K thread adds links to the race so not a silly thing to say.
Maybe do it in reverse and then it is not the same as the race.
Police and the like are the organisations that we need to be careful of and good luck as always with what you do.

[Diane]

Edit: this post is from Paul Every. (I didn't realise Diane was logged in!)

staypuff, on Aug 6 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

Anyway one thing ive learnt about Kosci is peole just seem to not want me to do it

That's a quite unfair on Brick and Kevin Cassidy who have been very supportive of your running.

I also trust you are not referring to the people behind the event, Stella.

Sometimes people's advice is sound, even if it is not what you want to hear.  

The advice I gave to you last year regarding the required perparation for C2K is no different to what I give to many aspiring C2K entrants. In fact what I sent you was largely copied-and-pasted from emails to others lacking sufficent race experience who have enquired about C2K entry.

Most runners I have advised similarly to you are very grateful for the time and effort I have given to them in guideance to prepare for and complete the event.

When I sent similar advice to Pam Muston that she didn't have adequate ultra experience, she listened, went out and raced GC 100km, recruited the most successful C2K crew in the history of the race, listened to them, entered and won the race in record time.

When I gave similar advice to an experienced female 3:05 marathoner, she was grateful and vowed to come back a year or two down the track with some solid ultra experience.

It is not that I don't want you to do the race, it is that I don't want any inadequately prepared runners to enter the race. Despite all runners having a crew, runners in difficulty put a strain on limited race resources spread over a great distance.

C2K is not an entry level ultra. It would be irresponsible for organisers to accept poorly prepared athletes.

Edited by Diane, 06 August 2010 - 12:15 PM.

[Diane]

staypuff, on Aug 6 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

sometimes i wonder about the world of ultra.

first i was told my entry to kosci probably wouldnt get accwepted as i dont have the experience.

Stella (and Davo), perhaps if you could see the course during the race as an example of what it does take to cover the distance and terrain, you would have a more realisitic idea as to why experience is strongly considered.   And rightly so.

I do know that your entry enquiry was treated with respect, thoughtful, helpful and realistic feedback on how to prepare for an event the distance and terrain such as C2K.  To me it is unfortunate that this does not appear to be recognised or acknowledged.

I wish you well with your goals and would encourage you to continue to push your boundaries.

This post is from me, logged in as me!

Edited by Diane, 06 August 2010 - 12:12 PM.

[Paul Every]

walker1st, on Aug 5 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

Davo, you have my full attention...
would like to be unsuported, no car


Melbourne cup weekend is perfect I would think,

staypuff, on Aug 5 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

My plan is to do it 30th march 2012 over 3 days probably.

Dont care if i end up walking but the goal is to finish on april foold day.

I would suggest that you all do some research into what you talking about. There are a some implausible and impractacle comments here that clearly illustrate a lack of a grasp of both the logistics nor the enormity of the undertaking.

[Davo]

It was me who brought up this subject in the first place and I'm sorry if it's thrust you in the limelight, Stella.
But, guys, tell me.......how did the C2k get started? I believe it was a few people over a few beers thinking it would be a good idea. How much experience did you have of the course before the first run?

It seems we have gone full circle.

Let's not all get too agitated. We're all friends and I always appreciate well-meaning advice.
But at the end of the day, as the poem says, "I am the captain of my soul."
And, just to emphasise that point, I am now at the stage of life (almost 68) when I say "It's now or never". And if I die in the attempt, at least I've died doing something I love rather than sitting at home watching idiotic TV and eating (yummy) chocolate.

[walker1st]

first we need to ask if the words Coast, Kosciusko, capital letter C and K and digit 2 are registered trademeark, or anybody can use them ?.

second, the unsuported was done, but now by the rulles is not permitted

much longer distancies and in more complicated conditions were done unsuported...

and Paul if you are terrified of that little snow which might be on top in novemeber or march, that is just your pesonal issue.

Paul , deja vu, you allways come with the same

to you second weekend in DEC is the only time the portal is open

around the world ultra multidays are done on ice in snow and bellow zero temperatures.

since this is no longer protected virtual threat, we can express whatever ideas we have, regadless
if they are pre-aproved by authorities

and I believe that these ideas will not destroy coolrunning as was previously hystericaly stated
on politicaly correct original topic.

[walker1st]

since this cuttoff topic was forcefully started to protect integrity and legality and whatever of the law obeying big profesional race
and so the dissobeying runners would not be associated by law to the lawfull race...


I am realy surprize that RD comes on this cuttoff thread to re-associate himself quickly to dissobeying runners and threatening the legal integrity of the profesional race itself.

???

[Paul Every]

Fair questions, Davo.

Davo, on Aug 6 2010, 01:18 PM, said:

But, guys, tell me.......how did the C2k get started? I believe it was a few people over a few beers thinking it would be a good idea.

Somewhat inaccurate. I am not beer drinker. Would have been red wine or cider. Can't speak for the others though.

Davo, on Aug 6 2010, 01:18 PM, said:

How much experience did you have of the course before the first run?

There was a lot of study of topo maps searching for a suitable low-traffic course with the intent of C2K developing from Fatass to established race. Turning C2K into an established event was the initial objective.

Mr G, Diane and I spent several days in the region doing a recon to drive and run the course.

The four initial starters were highly experienced ultra runners. Lawrence and Jan were well briefed on the course.

*************

Rudolf, my responses in green.

walker1st, on Aug 6 2010, 01:20 PM, said:

second, the unsuported was done, but now by the rulles is not permitted Incorrect as far as I am aware. By whom?

much longer distancies and in more complicated conditions were done unsuported... Possibly, but I know the lack of availability of water on the course is a real issue. Yes you cold do water drops, but it isn't really unsupported then, is it? Could always push a barrow, John Muir style, I suppose.

and Paul if you are terrified of that little snow which might be on top in novemeber or march, that is just your pesonal issue. Huge amount of gear to carry for days on end with all that food and water. That barrow is getting pretty loaded for Big Jack, Beloka and the hill up from Jindi

Paul , deja vu, you allways come with the same And you always crap on about how achievable it is, but never get off your butt and actually give it go. It's easy to criticise from the peanut gallery, Rudolf. Two types of people in this world.....

to you second weekend in DEC is the only time the portal is open Hardly, plenty of other times.

around the world ultra multidays are done on ice in snow and bellow zero temperatures. Yes and such events have logistical constraints, as does C2K.  

[walker1st]

Paul , deja vu, you allways come with the same And you always crap on about how achievable it is, but never get off your butt and actually give it go. It's easy to criticise from the peanut gallery, Rudolf. Two types of people in this world.....


master twister,

show me exactly where did I say how achievable it is !

crap is your own creation.


Paul, I will try to simply explain :

I responded to Davo,

I did not ask for your opinion or permission...

this thread is not your race thread it has nothing to do with your race...

but I will follow Staypuff lead ; whatever I do I will not write about on CR,
it is my personal thing...

I am not after your race finisher certificate, so why are you getting involved in this ?

If there is a roadblock somewhere around Jindy, when I walk up, set up by assio branch of mossad.
I will tell them I was under instruction from RD of C2K, so they can take it up with you.

[Sportsman]

walker1st, on Aug 6 2010, 01:20 PM, said:

first we need to ask if the words Coast, Kosciusko, capital letter C and K and digit 2 are registered trademeark, or anybody can use them ?.

second, the unsuported was done, but now by the rulles is not permitted

much longer distancies and in more complicated conditions were done unsuported...

and Paul if you are terrified of that little snow which might be on top in novemeber or march, that is just your pesonal issue.

Paul , deja vu, you allways come with the same

to you second weekend in DEC is the only time the portal is open

around the world ultra multidays are done on ice in snow and bellow zero temperatures.

since this is no longer protected virtual threat, we can express whatever ideas we have, regadless
if they are pre-aproved by authorities

and I believe that these ideas will not destroy coolrunning as was previously hystericaly stated
on politicaly correct original topic.

Sounds like fighting words, Walker.

Unsupported is permitted anytime, supported also.
Many race courses are done fatass. Tomorrow 6ft is being done, twice.

It will be easy to do this one as much longer distancies and in more complicated conditions were done unsuported...

When are you going to step up to the plate and actually do this fatass?

You know there is no reason you can't.

Or are you scared of a little snow in novemeber or march.
or a little hill or two?

We've had enough of your words, it's time for action.

Edited by Sportsman, 06 August 2010 - 11:42 PM.

[walker1st]

Sportsman, on Aug 6 2010, 11:32 PM, said:

When are you going to step up to the plate and actually do this fatass?

OK will try to say it again :

for obvious reasons (just see the attitudes above)

there will NOT be posted any details or any info, prior, during or after

and I really doubt anybody else will get into public debate on this,
so this whole topic could as well be
deleted

[Virtual]

oh ok.. we could rename the thread "top secret C2K Fat Ass", or "C2K video game"

it's ok to dream, but not always.  Otherwise it's a case of   Empty vessels making the most noise

Edited by Virtual, 07 August 2010 - 08:07 AM.

[walker1st]

Virtual, on Aug 7 2010, 08:03 AM, said:

oh ok.. we could rename the thread "top secret C2K Fat Ass", or "C2K video game"

it's ok to dream, but not always.  Otherwise it's a case of   Empty vessels making the most noise

now the vessel could not delete own noise

[Hamburglar]

As I was crewing last year I was thinking about the logistics of doing C2K in 3 or 4 days for those of us that think running 240k in one go is insane   . Or maybe for people who would like to see/run the track in preparation for a crack at the real thing. It seems that there are others thinking the same thing.

When you think about it, it would be a pretty cool thing to do - run from Coast to Cosi - akin to walking sixfoot in 3 days or the Kokoda trek. This would be a distinctly Aussie thing to do in a great part of the country. Something to add to the bucket list for many people and much more doable than running the actual race.

The main problem I could see would be the lack of accomodation/services between Twofold Bay and Jindabyne. Not sure if it is allowed to camp on the side of the road or not? Ideally it would be great to be able to camp on someone's property with access to water. I have met a few farmers on the three journey's that I have had down there and I am sure there would be some goodwill to us runners.

3 day plan

Day 1 - Start to Big Dead tree (102k)
Day 2 - Big Dead Tree to Jindabyne (caravan park) (81k)
Day 3 - Jindabyne to Finish (56k)

I reckon this would be 12 hours on Day 1, 12 hours on Day 2 and 9 hours on Day 3 = 33 hours. still a pretty tough three days.

4 day plan

Day 1 - Start to Cathcart (70k)
Day 2 - Cathcart to Start of High Plains - section just after Allan Caldwell Bridge (50k)
Day 3 - Start of High Plains to Jindabyne (caravan park) (64k)
Day 4 - Jindabyne to Finish (56k)

This would be around 8 hours, 6 hours, 9 hours and 9 hours = 32 hours

Not that I have any immediate plans to do it, it was more something I was thinking about whilst I meandered through the country side crewing for Spud. If I was ever going to do it, I was ensure I get Paul's permission and advice. I reckon the easter weekend maybe a good time to do it - no need to take time off work and should be pretty good weather.

Maybe one day.