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[halfwaydown]

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

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DriDucks^® Ultra-Lite^2™ Rain Suit
Starting At: $19.95

The DriDucks® suits are constructed from an ultralight waterproof, breathable, non-woven polypropylene construction. The patented bi-laminate technology with "welded" waterproof seams and unmatched sweat-free breathability is a great value in affordable rain wear.

You will not win and fashion parade with them also not very durable but will certainly fit the bill for one or two races easily.
Also very very light not seen any lighter even for lots of $$$

Comedy Gold Brick

[MrUniqueName]

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

They look perfect! Any idea if they're sold in Aus? I can't seem to work out how to ship to here...

[Running Angel]

Kaos, on 21 March 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

thanks for the link to your gear NickW.
RA the Montane Litespeed H2o jacket is the lightest currently available that meets the criteria, however Tom Landon Smith has said that it isn't very breathable and suggested the Minimus instead. North   Face used to have a jacket in the H2o class but it appears to be discontinued.......... so breathability is a factor but I guess unless they specify an ANSI standard you can feel comfortable buying a jacket that meets the 'waterproof' requirements, just as HalfWayDown says. Again- water resistant does not comply.

By the way, good buy on that jacket, I could only find them in violently bad colours and I was being a princess that day

Well according to the Montane website details it is waterproof and breathable, it will be do fine, and I know a lot of people had them last year. Aroc cannot expect people to keep changing the standards of their gear every year, I spent enough the first year on all the compulsory things and I expect to be able to use them for a few years at least! The Minimus is way more exy and prob bulkier.

[damyanos]

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

Quote

DriDucks^® Ultra-Lite^2™ Rain Suit
Starting At: $19.95

The DriDucks® suits are constructed from an ultralight waterproof, breathable, non-woven polypropylene construction. The patented bi-laminate technology with "welded" waterproof seams and unmatched sweat-free breathability is a great value in affordable rain wear.

You will not win and fashion parade with them also not very durable but will certainly fit the bill for one or two races easily.
Also very very light not seen any lighter even for lots of $$$

Excellent, Brick, thankyou.

I've emailed Froggtoggs to see how I can get a suit shipped over. I'll happily tap anyone in a $400 jacket on the arse as
I run past them in my $20 Driduck rainsuit. I reckon I gave away 3kg with my Rainbird jacket and pants I bought from the
local hardware for the last three years.

Now, how about a cheap, light fleece jumper? Looking to shed another kilo.

[Kaos]

Running Angel I wasn't suggesting that AROC have or will change their specs, and I agree the H2O meets the requirements, it's 132g vs 180g or so for the Minimus, and yes the Minimus is 2x the price!

I know nothing about the fabrics, but the email I saw from Tom the RD indicated that the Minimus is made of Pertex fabric that for some reason is more breathable than the stuff the H2O is made of.

I apologise if I sounded combative, honestly I never find any difference in breathability in these things- I sweat up a storm no matter what!


cheers

Adam

[Brick]

MrUniqueName, on 21 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

They look perfect! Any idea if they're sold in Aus? I can't seem to work out how to ship to here...

damyanos, on 21 March 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

Quote

DriDucks^® Ultra-Lite^2™ Rain Suit
Starting At: $19.95

The DriDucks® suits are constructed from an ultralight waterproof, breathable, non-woven polypropylene construction. The patented bi-laminate technology with "welded" waterproof seams and unmatched sweat-free breathability is a great value in affordable rain wear.

You will not win and fashion parade with them also not very durable but will certainly fit the bill for one or two races easily.
Also very very light not seen any lighter even for lots of $$$

Excellent, Brick, thankyou.

I've emailed Froggtoggs to see how I can get a suit shipped over. I'll happily tap anyone in a $400 jacket on the arse as
I run past them in my $20 Driduck rainsuit. I reckon I gave away 3kg with my Rainbird jacket and pants I bought from the
local hardware for the last three years.

Now, how about a cheap, light fleece jumper? Looking to shed another kilo.

Not available in Australia.
If you dont have friends/family in the USA I would use a forwarding company lots available and not expensive.

[sportsphysio]

Brick, on 22 March 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Not available in Australia.
If you dont have friends/family in the USA I would use a forwarding company lots available and not expensive.

I received an email overnight from the lovely Barbara at DriDucks.

"We do not ship internationally, but we do have an online distributor that does. Try www.froggtoggsraingear.com."

[runhard]

I have used a Pretzl tikka head torch on a couple of night runs and early morning runs. Has anyone used this for TNF and is it suitable? Should I go something more powerful?

http://www.wiggle.co...p-2-head-torch/

[Kentox]

runhard, on 22 March 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

I have used a Pretzl tikka head torch on a couple of night runs and early morning runs. Has anyone used this for TNF and is it suitable? Should I go something more powerful?

http://www.wiggle.co...p-2-head-torch/

Just what I was going to ask about. Thinking more of the Petzl E87 P2 Myo RXP 2 Headlamp. Figured it would be brighter and have a wider beam so I can see the trail and the markers. Takes AA lithiumn batteries so easy to carry. $89 US online. Haven't seen a Aus price yet.

[Nickelass]

Kentox, on 22 March 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Just what I was going to ask about. Thinking more of the Petzl E87 P2 Myo RXP 2 Headlamp. Figured it would be brighter and have a wider beam so I can see the trail and the markers. Takes AA lithiumn batteries so easy to carry. $89 US online. Haven't seen a Aus price yet.

I use the Petzl Myo RXP 2 and find it excellent.  I carry a handheld that I use to highlight rocks etc and use the headlamp for ambient light.  In tricky sections, I turn up the headlamp.  

Handhelds are great in my opinion as you can see the trail profile much better and avoid the worst rocks.  Although they take getting used to.

Most important thing, IMO is to practice running after dark on some technical trails.  You'll soon discover if your lighting system is suitable.

To keep the weight down, I carry a couple of ultra-light micro torches until the half-way point.

[Pasty]

I've created a TNF100 Gear Thread to keep all the gear questions in one place, and keep this thread for questions about the race itself.
If you could please ask your gear related questions here.

thanks!

[MountainMan]

Hi All,

Did a glorious run from Narrow Neck to Megalong and up to Explorers Tree in training for TNF100. End of a tough week of training and I was pretty sore at the end of it, hope it done me some good.

A question though... How many meters of ascent are there in TNF100 course? My Garmin 210 recorded 4666m for today's run, when I load it into WKO+(Training software) it connects to Ground Control over the internet and improves accuracy using multiple GPS sources... apparently, and it ups it to 6091m of ascent!

I think both these numbers are way to high to be true. Is GPS really that bad at estimating Altitude changes?

[MountainMan]

Never mind. I found this very nicely together assessment of the course.

Would seem the Ascent for my training run on the weekend would be closer to 2000m instead of the ludicrous numbers my Garmin produced... I guess I can completely disregard Garmins attempt at Altitude via GPS as useless. Goodness knows what the Ground Control analysis is doing in WKO+. *sigh*

[Kathymac]

MountainMan, on 01 April 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Hi All,

Did a glorious run from Narrow Neck to Megalong and up to Explorers Tree in training for TNF100. End of a tough week of training and I was pretty sore at the end of it, hope it done me some good.

A question though... How many meters of ascent are there in TNF100 course? My Garmin 210 recorded 4666m for today's run, when I load it into WKO+(Training software) it connects to Ground Control over the internet and improves accuracy using multiple GPS sources... apparently, and it ups it to 6091m of ascent!

I think both these numbers are way to high to be true. Is GPS really that bad at estimating Altitude changes?

Hi MountainMan,

Are you sure the measurements are set to metres and not feet?

[halfwaydown]

Yesterday late afternon I set off from Fairmont back down the course into Jameson Valley, then as it got dark turned around and ran the last 20+km of the course.
I hadn't run that section of the course since tnf100 2011 race day.
What a reminder!  the endless length of the climb out of Kedumba; the muddy, stoney, tree root laden scramble that is the Undercliff Track from Wentworth Falls to the car park; and the continuous up and down timber bush steps from Edinburgh Castle Rock to Fairmont itself.
My advice - If you have a chance in training - try and get up to run this section at night.
There's nothing quite like the experience of the actual track, in the same night time conditions of race day.

[runhard]

Ran Kedumba to golden stairs then to the aquatic centre and back today. running easy but have a new found respect for Kedumba going up! It is brutal  (Day or night)  Looking forward to another hitout on the Mt Solitary run!  Cant wait.

[MountainMan]

Kathymac, on 02 April 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Are you sure the measurements are set to metres and not feet?

Possibly, but the site and the software does have a "m" next to it and everything else is in metric.

[MountainMan]

halfwaydown, on 07 April 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Yesterday late afternon I set off from Fairmont back down the course into Jameson Valley, then as it got dark turned around and ran the last 20+km of the course.
I hadn't run that section of the course since tnf100 2011 race day.
What a reminder!  the endless length of the climb out of Kedumba; the muddy, stoney, tree root laden scramble that is the Undercliff Track from Wentworth Falls to the car park; and the continuous up and down timber bush steps from Edinburgh Castle Rock to Fairmont itself.
My advice - If you have a chance in training - try and get up to run this section at night.
There's nothing quite like the experience of the actual track, in the same night time conditions of race day.

I ran from Fairmont at 4:30am yesterday around prince Henry walk and down the Giant Stairs. The Prince Henry walk and giant Stairs section in the dark was not very enjoyable, I couldn't run at any decent pace as it was very muddy in sections, I hit my head twice as I was so focused on the ground so as not to trip. Turned into a brisk hike really, I much prefer running in open trail in the dark. Maybe i need a Head Torch upgrade...

But it is good advice from hlafwaydown, as there is very similar terrain in the last 11km from Kedumba to the finish on the course and most will tackle this in the dark with 90kms in the legs on race day.

The sun finally came up when I got into the valley and headed out toward Kedumba. Wonderful conditions and I ran the whole climb out of the valley from Jamison Creek except for one short section when a previous winner walked in front of me so I did too. It was Andrew Lee (2009 TNF100  winner and 6ft Track Second place, I think) blew past me halfway up Kedumba (humbled).

[MountainMan]

This thread is pretty quite for 5 weeks out. I guess everyone is out training up a storm! I have been doing some long runs on the course and seen a few people out there possibly training for next weekends Mt Solitary also...

Question. How long do you try to make your long training run for TNF100? Do you measure it in kms or hours? As a percentage of the time you expect to be out there on race day? I know the solid advice is to get "time on your feet", but would that mean if you are expecting to take 20hours you should be doing 10-12hour sessions? That's tough!

I am aiming for Sub 14, 13:59 will be fine. But I struggle to fit in any runs greater than 6 hours.

[johnnyboyrun]

Everyone is different- last year i did 14.34 and felt a could have gone a lot faster if i didnt get held up.

My longest run last year was 5 hours, although i did do quite a few double runs.

This year i went up the mountains and did a solid 6-7hours with a few of the guys, besides that it has been similar to last year although i have upped the pace.

I wouldnt worry about it. You will go under 14hours as long as your head is in the right place!!

[B+]

MountainMan, on 15 April 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

This thread is pretty quite for 5 weeks out. I guess everyone is out training up a storm! I have been doing some long runs on the course and seen a few people out there possibly training for next weekends Mt Solitary also...

Question. How long do you try to make your long training run for TNF100? Do you measure it in kms or hours? As a percentage of the time you expect to be out there on race day? I know the solid advice is to get "time on your feet", but would that mean if you are expecting to take 20hours you should be doing 10-12hour sessions? That's tough!

I am aiming for Sub 14, 13:59 will be fine. But I struggle to fit in any runs greater than 6 hours.

I always look at a combination for the long stuff. So time and distance. Mainly time on feet but if your pace in these sessions is to low then you are not creating an environment for adaption i.e. walking at 6kph for 6 hrs is not as good as walk/run at 10kph for 6 hrs which is not as good as run at 12kph for 6 hrs. Given the terrain of the race I try to find a testing run that i can do regularly and use this as a gauge for my improvement. I for example have run Glenbrook station to Woodford Station and back along the Oaks firetrail as a long run tester. Having done this 5 times I have seen my overall time drop but more importantly I have seen the improvement come in the back end of the run splits, which has shown me that there is an improvement in my ability to hold pace for longer. I measure Station to end of tar road - start of dirt to locked gate - locked gate to woodford locked gate - gate to station - station to gate - and the same on the way back. My goal is to see less drop off in pace at the last 3 splits.
Double runs are good too as you can do more in a day than if you did a longer single run without as much risk of injury.

Train safe.

[MrUniqueName]

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

Have you actually tried these? I'm wanting to order some but the sizing seems to be a bit of an issue. Apparently the S is more like a M, and M is more like L etc etc... so confusing!

[Brick]

MrUniqueName, on 16 April 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Brick, on 21 March 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Best cost for jacket and pants I have seen is DryDucks they are waterproof and breathable.

Have you actually tried these? I'm wanting to order some but the sizing seems to be a bit of an issue. Apparently the S is more like a M, and M is more like L etc etc... so confusing!

Yes I have a set and used them last year at TNF100.
You can try mine on if you like just let me know and I will put them in the car.
Hopefully if I get the OK to run again on Saturday morning I will be at West Met this Saturday and SMC on Sunday.

[MrUniqueName]

Brick, on 17 April 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

You can try mine on if you like just let me know and I will put them in the car.
Hopefully if I get the OK to run again on Saturday morning I will be at West Met this Saturday and SMC on Sunday.

Thanks heaps for the offer, however I'm actually near Brissie! From what I've read, I'm thinking that medium might be the way to go...

[BillyEssexBoy]

I am on the look out for a lift on the sunday back to Canberra, happy to $$.

[Kathymac]

BillyEssexBoy, on 23 April 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I am on the look out for a lift on the sunday back to Canberra, happy to $$.

I am planning to drive from Leura to Canberra on the Sunday - would be happy to give you and anyone else who needs it a lift.

Edited by Kathymac, 24 April 2012 - 12:47 PM.

[BillyEssexBoy]

Thanks heaps I will PM you with my details, cheers Billy

[Iconian]

Hi everyone,

I hope everyone's training is going well.

I'm a late entrant into this year's race (Friday last week) and trying to work out what sort of time to shoot for and which wave to start in.  I'm a bit under done for the TNF100 to be honest (don't have as many LONG runs under my belt as I would've liked), but when an opportunity came up I jumped at it.  The only ‘similar’ event I have completed is the Melbourne Oxfam TW, but the elevation change in TNF100 looks far more hectic.

To give you a bit of an idea of some of the runs I did in 2011, I did the Melbourne Oxfam TW in 16hr 37mins and walked the last 45kms despite a fair portion of it being very jogable / runable as one of our group members was wrecked (it wasn’t me, but I wasn’t complaining at the time!), the Gold Coast marathon in 3hr20min (obviously dead flat), and another flat half marathon in 1hr 27min in December 2011.  I have been training for a 125km trail run in Canada which I am still doing in August 2012, which the majority of my training to date has been on hills of up to 80 – 90kms per week with longest run so far 35km.  I am going to shoot for a 50km on Sunday to see where I’m at then taper down from there for the TNF100.

At this stage, as I don’t have many LONG runs under my belt, all I have in my head for TNF100 is finish, learn from my mistakes, remember what worked, and then have a proper crack at the run in Canada.

Anyway, your thoughts would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Iconian

[halfwaydown]

Iconian, on 27 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

I'm a late entrant into this year's race (Friday last week) and trying to work out what sort of time to shoot for and which wave to start in.

Start Group 2
Time to aim for - 16hrs, 0min, 2secs*

*But seriously, start slower than you might want to, expect to fade in the later stages, hang in, enjoy yourself.

[MountainMan]

Iconian, on 27 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

...which the majority of my training to date has been on hills of up to 80 – 90kms per week with longest run so far 35km.

You will be fine, 90km per week of hills is worth 110km running on flat terrain, more if you are running hills off-road. I wouldn't worry about kms traveled and focus more about time spent running. Good luck!

[Iconian]

Thanks gents.  I was already in wave 2 so will stay there.  Anything under 16hrs I'll be happy.  As I said, I want to learn from this one more than anything...

I intend on enjoying it, but ask me at the 90km mark and I may tell you something different!

[TrailRunMagChrisOrd]

ANYONE KNOW? ... any runners in this year's TNF100 race with amazing stories to tell .. we're producing a half hour doco for TV and, in addition to the top enders, want to follow some mid to back packers that have interesting motivations and backstories to their TNF100 effort. Against all odds characters, of course. Plus maybe a mum with three kids running for the first time; the oldest, the youngest (full distance); a team with an interesting tale. You get the drift. We'd love for anyone to share their stories or tell us of some you know of with a view to getting in touch, maybe doing a pre interview on camera and even grabbing a GoPro to video diary your race. We'll have four cameras on course to capture all the action, and hopefully some great tales of triumph.
Any leads to: chris@adventuretypes.com.
Many thanks, appreciate your time and efforts!

[Kentox]

I thought I would back myself a bit more and moved myself out of wave 4 and into wave 3. Yes the aim is to finish but would like to do it around the 16-18hr mark or even quicker. Who knows on the day how it's going to go! But will give it a go.

[superflake]

Current solo leaders at CP1:

Ryan Sandes 1:36:54
Andrew Lee 1:38:02
Jim Villiers 1:40:23

Shona Stephenson 1:58:53
Beth Cardelli 2:00:25
Julie Quinn 2:04:30

[superflake]

Checkpoint 2 solo:
Only males at this point.

Ryan Sandes 3:11:15
Brendan Davies 3:17:48
Andrew Lee 3:17:51

[Slug]

Looks like the Sandman is dialled in, hopefully the Aussies can keep him honest for most of the day.

[Slug]

The Sandman was only about 45secs up on his 38k split from last year. Will be interesting to see what his split is at 54k, as the Ironpot Ridge section is for mine, the hardest part of the course. From the Sandman's pre-race comments, this is where the wheels fell off for him last year, so if he can manage himself well, a 9:40ish maybe on the cards.

Edited by Slug, 19 May 2012 - 10:54 AM.

[Slug]

The Sandman is through the 89k checkpoint and is 21 seconds up on Kilian's time from last year, new record could be on the cards if he can finish it off.

[straygaijin]

disappointed to be watching the updates and not participating - was fit, injury free and all packed for the race but a family emergency meant that on Friday I had to make the decision not to go.  After 6FT this is not turning out to be a good year!

Not that I would have been any threat to the leaders!

[qwen]

We have a winner - Ryan Sandes in 09:22:44

What a fantastic time and lead from start to finish.

[qwen]

1st Ryan Sandes - 09:22:44
2nd Vajin Armstrong - 09:52:10
3rd Andrew Tuckey - 09:59:02
4th Brendon Davies - 10:02:43

[Slug]

The women's record may go, depends on how Beth Cardelli can move through the last section.

Edited by Slug, 19 May 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[qwen]

1st Female Beth Cardelli - 11:18:47

[judo]

Anyone got any info on how clarke mcclymont went today?

[Easy Tiger]

judo, on 19 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Anyone got any info on how clarke mcclymont went today?

Looks like a DNF at 54km.

http://tiktok.biz/no...ce100/2012/0886

Edited by Easy Tiger, 19 May 2012 - 07:11 PM.

[HillsAths1]

Clarke was just under 6 hours at 54km mark as there is no further times up I would be guessing that he got a DNF, otherwise the next section is taking over 6 hours to do, or the timing chip has stoped working.

[judo]

Thanks Easy Tiger thats a shame. Clarke was in superb form leading into this race. Be interested to hear what happened.

[charlieboy]

judo, on 19 May 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

Thanks Easy Tiger thats a shame. Clarke was in superb form leading into this race. Be interested to hear what happened.

I understand there were a group of front runners (Clarke and Jez Bragg included) that went off course for a while because some Wally moved the course markers. Clarke and two others got back on course but were so disappointed to have lost so much time that they pulled the pin.

Edited by charlieboy, 19 May 2012 - 07:50 PM.

[judo]

Wow!!!! That is disapointing for clarke.

[TCMB]

Splits show it could have been a ~55min detour for Clarke and ~25min for Jezz.