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#1 Manzo999

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:24 PM

whats happened to ausi male sprinters?
its been years since we have even had a finalist in the 100m/200m sprint

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:32 PM

They've completely disappeared in recent years, much like our ability to use correct spelling and grammar.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:37 PM

I don't know how you managed to stuff up the spelling of the title so much..?

We had the 4x100 team make the finals at the last olympics.  Considering at the last olympics 7/8 ran sub 10 and the 8th has the most sub-10 finishes of any runner ever it's not surprising we aren't making finals. In the womens we have Melissa Breen who I think has the Australian record for 100m and Sally Pearson who is the current olympic/world champion for 110m hurdles.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:47 PM

I can't remember any good Austrian sprinters.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:51 PM

sorry about spelling (not my strong point) :Silly:
all i'm saying is where are the male sprinters, so many other countries are speeding it up, we are just getting left behind
but even if you compare our runners, the fastest current recorded Australian man, is josh ross (i think) and his official pb is only something like 10:20
i think he did do better but it was with an illegal tailwind

@ Andy P look at mexico olympics 1968?
we had a 200m silver medalist, and no one in Australia has broken his pb since!!!
that's nearly a 40yr old record, and with all our new technology and runners we still haven't topped it?

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 08:56 PM

who cares.
it's sprinting.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:02 PM

exactly it sprinting and it requires a heck of a lot more work to improve than a HM or 10k time...
pro sprinters are lucky to take .1 of a second off their time in 3 years--- it requires work and is the worlds most popular race...
so basically the question was where are all the Australian male sprinters?, and why haven't we improved like the rest of the world....

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:31 PM

that's my point.
they are all doing something else.
eg. footy of some sort.
maybe even NFL ;)

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:43 PM

but the point is why haven't we sped up
the USA under 16 record is 10:27.... beats nearly every Australian sprinter there is regardless of age
(no nrl/afl player could match that)

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:45 PM

View Postesjay, on 16 October 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

I don't know how you managed to stuff up the spelling of the title so much..?

Aussie, ausi, Ozzy...its an abreviation !!...why are the spelling nazis upset about that? You can say it anyway you want

Just like Saffer, Safa, Jaapie...who cares?

View PostAndyP, on 16 October 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

I can't remember any good Austrian sprinters.

A certain Patrick Johnson ran 9.97.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 10:13 PM

seen this kid?

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 10:19 PM

@ colin yeah but was his time official?

yeah i hope he gets somewhere in his career and doesn't die out like most

Edited by Manzo999, 17 October 2014 - 07:15 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 10:28 PM

View PostManzo999, on 16 October 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

@ colin yeah but was his time official?

Yes...9.93 actually

View Postredbackrun, on 16 October 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

seen this kid?

Heard him interviewed on radio in Hobart...not bad for a long jumper actually, and a pretty level headed kid...will probably get a US scholarship

Edited by Colin, 16 October 2014 - 10:33 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 11:01 PM

View PostColin, on 16 October 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:



View PostAndyP, on 16 October 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

I can't remember any good Austrian sprinters.

A certain Patrick Johnson ran 9.97.
Austrian record is 10.15

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 07:42 AM

View PostColin, on 16 October 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Aussie, ausi, Ozzy...its an abreviation !!...why are the spelling nazis upset about that? You can say it anyway you want


It's
abbreviation
Nazis

"I mean I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing." Mark Twain.

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 07:43 AM

This thread made me smile this morning.....reads like something out of Dumb & Dumber.........I mean that in the nicest possible way of course....

Manzo999 - I'm not sure the rest of the world has improved as much as you would think. Take the USA and Jamaica out of the equation and (without having much to back this up) most national records have probably remained fairly static over the past 20 years or so. In fact, since Pietro Mennea (from Italy of all places) broke the 200m world record in 1979 only 1 non-American or Jamaican has beaten that time (and that was set 35 years ago....). Frankie Fredericks from Namibia..

You've got to hand it to the Americans and Jamaicans......they are either great sprinters....or great pharmascists......

P.S. I took great care in my spelling of Jamaican.....

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 07:58 AM

I think that you have just highlighted evidence of the "glory years" on un-checked drug assisted sport of the 70's and 80's. Some got caught (Ben Johnson) but not many. Probably less of it these days, with the more vigorous testing. So you could almost have pre and post date records, a bit like the swimmers and their tech suits.

But Lance Armstrong showed how good the Americans are when it comes to applying science to sport. We would be a bit naive to think that they only use their talents in cycling. And the Jamaicans learn their sport via their wealthy neighbors.

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 08:24 AM

View Postthomo, on 16 October 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

View PostColin, on 16 October 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

View PostAndyP, on 16 October 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

I can't remember any good Austrian sprinters.

A certain Patrick Johnson ran 9.97.
Austrian record is 10.15
They're not that fast, are they?
http://en.wikipedia....ds_in_athletics

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 08:52 AM

Johnson's record is 9.93.

What is more amazing is the 200 m record is still held by Peter Norman (20.06) - and if anyone doesn't know his story I strongly suggest you find out; an amazing man.

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 11:39 AM

View PostCountryMuzz, on 17 October 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

I think that you have just highlighted evidence of the "glory years" on un-checked drug assisted sport of the 70's and 80's. Some got caught (Ben Johnson) but not many. Probably less of it these days, with the more vigorous testing. So you could almost have pre and post date records, a bit like the swimmers and their tech suits.

Pre and post-drug period records? I'd suggest that it might be more accurate to call them "heavily enhanced" and "mildly enhanced" periods.

The biological passport is a great concept and is the most effective tool we have at the moment but the temptation and rewards are still there to push boundaries. If you state that anything above a 2% change in a particular variable is considered questionable, guaranteed that everyone who is willing to dabble is currently looking for a 1.9999% boost.

Anyone who wants to explore all the gory details of drugs in sport, have a look at The Science of Sport http://sportsscientists.com/. Great insights and analysis there.

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 12:53 PM

View PostColin, on 16 October 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

View Postesjay, on 16 October 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

I don't know how you managed to stuff up the spelling of the title so much..?

Aussie, ausi, Ozzy...its an abreviation !!...why are the spelling nazis upset about that? You can say it anyway you want

Just like Saffer, Safa, Jaapie...who cares?


Let's just skip over the weird spelling error, unnecessary apostrophe and the ambiguity of what that title is actually supposed to mean, I couldn't care less about being a spelling nazi, highlighted by the fact that I attempted to answer the question in the next paragraph of my reply, I was just poking a bit of fun.  

Edit/  Just to add on the U16/U18 100m Australian records have both been broken in the past two years

Edited by esjay, 17 October 2014 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2014 - 03:20 PM

dude look at the times though--- seriously compare to most other countries still ages behind

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 03:45 PM

View PostAli1977, on 17 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

This thread made me smile this morning.....reads like something out of Dumb & Dumber.........I mean that in the nicest possible way of course....


You've got to hand it to the Americans and Jamaicans......they are either great sprinters....or great pharmascists......

P.S. I took great care in my spelling of Jamaican.....

Touche

...but not Pharmacist it seems... :Cry: Posted Image :Smug:

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 03:58 PM

View PostColin, on 17 October 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

View PostAli1977, on 17 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

This thread made me smile this morning.....reads like something out of Dumb & Dumber.........I mean that in the nicest possible way of course....


You've got to hand it to the Americans and Jamaicans......they are either great sprinters....or great pharmascists......

P.S. I took great care in my spelling of Jamaican.....

Touche

...but not Pharmacist it seems... :Cry: Posted Image :Smug:

Oh dear.....! Attention to detail has never been my strong point....

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 04:25 PM

BAck on topik plaese. No more tangints with bad speling and badder gramma.

The real point of the forum still remains: is sprinting still considered running or is it just a fad best suited to posers with short attention spans? Anyone?

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 04:53 PM

Patrick Johnson's time of 9.93sec in Mito Japan was a world season best at May 2003.
In trying to confirm this, I read that pre that meet he ran 9.88 and 9.90sec wind-assisted times, one in Perth.

Colin, Ali1977s creative spelling "pharmascists" was perhaps subliminally in sympathy with your reference to the spelling fascists?

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 05:35 PM

Look at Justin Gatlin, the guy has been banned twice for drugs and is now running faster than ever and is probably the fastest guy in the world at the moment with Bolt not doing much this year. Also consider there is new evidence that suggests steroid use gives permanent not just short term gains and I think the answer is Aussie sprinters aren't juicing hard enough.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:37 AM

Apt timing...

http://www.abc.net.a...8?section=sport

Same kid referred to above...

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:47 AM

View Postsportsphysio, on 17 October 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

BAck on topik plaese. No more tangints with bad speling and badder gramma.

The real point of the forum still remains: is sprinting still considered running or is it just a fad best suited to posers with short attention spans? Anyone?

Isn't the 100m the The race of the whole OG?

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:35 PM

View PostColin, on 20 October 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

View Postsportsphysio, on 17 October 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

BAck on topik plaese. No more tangints with bad speling and badder gramma.

The real point of the forum still remains: is sprinting still considered running or is it just a fad best suited to posers with short attention spans? Anyone?

Isn't the 100m the The race of the whole OG?

The 100m is THE race as it gets the most media and TV attention. But as long as shows like The Bachelor and Big Brother are winning in the ratings, I'll avoid using TV ratings as a gauge of merit.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:07 PM

View Postsportsphysio, on 20 October 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

View PostColin, on 20 October 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Isn't the 100m the The race of the whole OG?

The 100m is THE race as it gets the most media and TV attention. But as long as shows like The Bachelor and Big Brother are winning in the ratings, I'll avoid using TV ratings as a gauge of merit.

Don't the sprinters get the hot chicks too...what about those ratings instead?

Edited by Colin, 20 October 2014 - 07:08 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:21 PM

View PostColin, on 20 October 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Don't the sprinters get the hot chicks too...what about those ratings instead?

Sprinters seem to get the hot girls. I have no idea why!

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:22 PM

Yohan looks smug and Mo is pleading for hotter chicks

QED

Rest my case

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:42 PM

Check out Jack Hales final leg in a recent All-Schools u/16 4x100 relay.......average video quality but you get the picture.

Ona  typical spring day up on the Hobart Domain !



cheers

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 09:30 PM

Manzo,

The London Olympics was the fastest 100m final EVER. Besides Asafa Powell pulling up short and still managing 11.99, everyone ran under 10.00. That is no easy feat. Currently, Australia does not have an athlete who is a certainty to make the semi-finals at Olympic level. By your comments, though, it should be a piece-of-pie to do it! We have some great juniors coming through the ranks and hopefully these boys can bring Australia a step (or two or three preferably!) to competing - not just running - on the Olympic, sprinting scene come 2020 and beyond.

In regards to your comment on sprinting is harder than a Half Marathon or 10km: that comment is always debated between sprints, middle distance and long distance athletes. Which one takes more effort? I'd say every, single one takes extreme effort to get to the level they compete at on a pro level. Fun fact, the current 5000m World Record is 15.14 per 100m average. The 10,000m World Record is 2.37 per 1km average, with the last mile a lot faster! And the Half Marathon World Record is 58.23, equivalent to 2.49 per 1km average! These are definitely no easy feat - but neither is sprinting - and you should respect each event and the difficulty each one poses.




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