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#1 speedmeup

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 06:37 PM

Russian athletes are formally banned from Rio. Good job.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 06:37 PM

suck a smelly fart russia.

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 06:48 PM

Russia seems intent to push the boundaries of being part of the global community at every chance lately! Nice to see someone push back just a little bit.

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 02:45 PM

View Postundercover brother, on 18 June 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

suck a smelly fart russia.

Now if only we could get Lord Coe to say that in his plum English accent - that'd make a great sound bite.

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 03:13 PM

Lord Coe if i remember won gold twice
Olympic 1500m.
Silver twice
Olympic 800m
He could run aswell as speak in a nice plum tone!

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 05:10 PM

Our record of PED use ain't exactly perfect.

We need to be careful who we start openly criticising.

The big problem with drug cheats is that they are allowed to return after serving a period on the sidelines - however the benefits of PEDs may stay with the athlete long after the the chem has left their body.

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 10:39 PM

Give me a break.  We aren't in the same galaxy as Russia.

They have a state sponsored doping program.  A massive doping culture

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 05:26 AM

It is a sporting policy they have I suspect. I couldn't be more pleased and the playing field for the athletes might be more level but perhaps not completely level. Isn't there an African nation with problems as well. If countries are not banned I hope the testing will catch any cheats if they are game enough to compete at all.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 07:11 AM

View PostKarmaPolice, on 19 June 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Give me a break.  We aren't in the same galaxy as Russia.

They have a state sponsored doping program.  A massive doping culture

When the men stand at the starting line of the 100m you can be sure that at least 5 or 6 will have previously been banned for doping.

Sorry, but in my eyes that can't be right.  Coe needs to grow a pair.

Eagle, I think you may be refering to Kenya. Who will, of course, be dominant on the track and road.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 09:27 AM

Yes Kenya and I think they had issues with policing their drug checking system. But hopefully the drug testing will have then running 'clean' on the day but what they might or might not have done before is another thing. And if having taken any illegal substances whether they have a residual benefit although the actual drug is not able to be detected on the day.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:16 AM

I think the issue is WADA leave it to each country's sporting bodies to organise their own out of competition testing.  Some like Jamaica and Kenya don't do much and possibly can't afford it.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:56 AM

A few observations;

Since Beijing 2012 the nation recording with the largest number of banned dopers has been.....wait for it.......India. I trust they will continue to compete, as a nation, 'cos they are not considered a sporting powerhouse?

We sent a large team (5th largest out of 206 competing nations) to the Russian 2013 IAAF WC even tho' the hosts were then under heavy suspicion. We could have chosen to take a stance but we turned a blind eye and participated. Are our principles on this subject a bit malleable?

Banning Russia in Rio seems unfair to their clean athletes, who are the majority, no?

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:59 AM

View Postbarramundiboy, on 19 June 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Lord Coe if i remember won gold twice
Olympic 1500m.
Silver twice
Olympic 800m
He could run aswell as speak in a nice plum tone!
...when there was no WADA in UK, and when Kenyans ran on raw power

View Postriffraff, on 20 June 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

Since Beijing 2012 the nation recording with the largest number of banned dopers has been.....wait for it.......India. I trust they will continue to compete, as a nation, 'cos they are not considered a sporting powerhouse?
Getting caught could actually indicate that their testing is in order...it is the ability to beat detection that is in question not the usage

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 07:17 PM

Hmmm what's the solution?

All athletes put into a "dry camp" for 18 months prior to the event. Everyone has access to the same facilities. No coaches. May the best athlete (s) win.

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 05:46 PM

Hoping the ban stays until June 2018...

....looking at all the potential 60+ at Two Oceans and Comrades, and all but one are beatable...that one being Kotov who won Comrades after 40.....turns 60 a month before Two Oceans

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 12:33 PM

Ohhhhhhh, babooshka, babooshka, babooshka ya-ya....................

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 02:26 PM

Clean Russian athletes are most certainly the minority

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 04:17 PM

Mission accomplished?

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 06:08 PM

There might be a possible chance that some athletes are clean - just possible and shame for any in that position to be excluded. But it is also possible that in a state run system you either consented to drug taking or were not selected. Mere speculation on my part with not facts to substantiate the assertion. But many would believe it to be the actual position.

It might be reasonable however based on what has been reported to have occurred at the winter games although that as on home soil and there own facilities use for the testing.

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Posted 27 July 2016 - 10:01 PM

My thoughts are if you want to stamp it out that you disqualify people caught for 5 years, and retrospectively reclaim their previous 5 years results/prize money.

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Posted 27 July 2016 - 11:09 PM

As pointed out in The Australian today, the Russian Anti Doping Authority has just been taking the piss for years - literally.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:31 PM

The real scapegoat is Stepanova who was the whistleblower and she is also banned.  Hardly a great incentive for others to be whistleblowers (same as the Australian Discus thrower Reiterer who was never caught taking drugs, but admitted taking them) who was banned.

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:36 PM

Same thing in cycling, many cough up the truth years later without ever being caught whilst competing.




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