Hey Guys, I am just after a few pros and cons on the following shoes as I am about to buy new ones in the next few days. As a background I run anywhere between 5-12 km each session and I run approximately 5 times a week, mainly road running but occassional cross country....
* Brooks Adrenaline - my current shoe, I really liked them but I feel I need something "different" (you know girls!)
* Asics Gel Kayano's - I had these before the brooks - they were really good, I only changed to Brooks as I went to Athletes foot and they recommended the Brooks.
* Mizuno - does anyone really love Mizuno's? I am liking their design I have seen on the shelves and they are slightly cheaper than the Brooks or Asics.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! $200 is a lot of money to me!
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ASICS vs BROOKS vs MIZUNO
Started by Janine, Feb 11 2005 10:08 AM
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 10:08 AM
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 12:38 PM
Hi Janine - I've stuck with the Kayano's for the the last 3 series. I once tried the Brooks adrenaline but they didn't really work for me.
I have noticed subtle changes with each model of the Kayano's though, so don't expect to be able to "go back" to an old favourite. The latest model required a week or two of settling in for me before I was truly comfortable. Make sure you test them thoroughly - a decent store will let you take them home, or run around the block, but return them if there's problems.
In terms of price, I suppose you can shop around on the net or look overseas if you want a really cheap deal. I buy locally (support the guy around the corner!) but always usually buy one model "behind" the latest when they're being phased out. I find this can generally save you at least $50 on these high end shoes. I just don't know how well that sits with your fashion ideals though ;)
I have noticed subtle changes with each model of the Kayano's though, so don't expect to be able to "go back" to an old favourite. The latest model required a week or two of settling in for me before I was truly comfortable. Make sure you test them thoroughly - a decent store will let you take them home, or run around the block, but return them if there's problems.
In terms of price, I suppose you can shop around on the net or look overseas if you want a really cheap deal. I buy locally (support the guy around the corner!) but always usually buy one model "behind" the latest when they're being phased out. I find this can generally save you at least $50 on these high end shoes. I just don't know how well that sits with your fashion ideals though ;)
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 12:39 PM
I was an Asics die hard until they changed the design and the biomorphic fit now gives me blisters on the side of my feet. Therefore I had to change and tried Mizuno Waves, whilst I have no real complaints about Mizuno's I just wasn't satisfied with them perhaps it is because of the very stiff heel structure. I'm now using the Brooks Adrenalin for the first time and I'm very satisfied with these shoes and I have put them to the test with some long runs and I have no faults and they are very comfortable.
We can give you accounts of our experience with shoes however every body is different (weight, pronators etc) and perhaps you should just try the other shoes and see for yourself if you like them. Whilst our imput should help don't let it make your decision, try and find a shoe shop that will let try on the shoes and even go for a little run in them. I know this doesn't really simulate a proper run but it will give you a good idea about the shoes.
We can give you accounts of our experience with shoes however every body is different (weight, pronators etc) and perhaps you should just try the other shoes and see for yourself if you like them. Whilst our imput should help don't let it make your decision, try and find a shoe shop that will let try on the shoes and even go for a little run in them. I know this doesn't really simulate a proper run but it will give you a good idea about the shoes.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 01:24 PM
Thanks guys, I think I will try on all three and decide from there. Shoes are not cheap these days so I appreciate any information anyone can give me!!!
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 01:45 PM
Janine,
I used to use the Asics 20XX range but after they seemed to fall apart very quickly I went to Adrenalines. Doing nothing differntly, I noticed that the Adrenaline don't wear as much for me and thus last longer. Very important when you're trying to get value for your $. I also heard that from the 2080's onwards, Asics were using cheaper quality material, which would explain my shoes falling apart more quickly. I don't know if this is true or not but am just telling you of my experience.
Adrenalines are a fair bit cheaper than Kayanos if $$$ are an issue. Also, if you want to save a few more $$$, I'd recommend getting them from the US on ebay (obviously there is a risk involved), my last pair of Adrenalines cost me A$60 delivered to my door.
I used to use the Asics 20XX range but after they seemed to fall apart very quickly I went to Adrenalines. Doing nothing differntly, I noticed that the Adrenaline don't wear as much for me and thus last longer. Very important when you're trying to get value for your $. I also heard that from the 2080's onwards, Asics were using cheaper quality material, which would explain my shoes falling apart more quickly. I don't know if this is true or not but am just telling you of my experience.
Adrenalines are a fair bit cheaper than Kayanos if $$$ are an issue. Also, if you want to save a few more $$$, I'd recommend getting them from the US on ebay (obviously there is a risk involved), my last pair of Adrenalines cost me A$60 delivered to my door.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 02:45 PM
Hi Janine,
I'm a neutral striker , so the models you refer to are not for me. However I'm rotating a 3 pairs of shoes at the moment (Asics Cumulus, Brooks Glycerine, Mizuno Precisions). The theory goes that the shoes last longer if you rotate and the foot/leg muscles adapt to different style shoes leaving you less prone to injury - that's the theory anyway.
The brooks Adrenalines are one of their most popular shoes. See them everywhere on mild - mod pronators. Lots of support in them.
The keyano are the flag ship shoe of the Asics range and again hugely popular for longer/easy distance running.Again mild to moderate pronators.
Mizuno wearers seem to be hooked for life, those that like them just seem to swear by them and won't change. I'm sort of leaning toward this crowd. The precisions I own are fantastic and offer terriffic support for a lighter shoe. I think for those that can't or won't get into race flats, these are a great race shoe. If you try mIZUNO , YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT MODEL TO SUIT YOUR RUNNING STYLE.
The cons with the Adrenalin and Keyano are that they are both fairly heavy shoes comparatively. tHE GOOD SIDE IS THAT they offer max support.
Hope this helps
Rith
I'm a neutral striker , so the models you refer to are not for me. However I'm rotating a 3 pairs of shoes at the moment (Asics Cumulus, Brooks Glycerine, Mizuno Precisions). The theory goes that the shoes last longer if you rotate and the foot/leg muscles adapt to different style shoes leaving you less prone to injury - that's the theory anyway.
The brooks Adrenalines are one of their most popular shoes. See them everywhere on mild - mod pronators. Lots of support in them.
The keyano are the flag ship shoe of the Asics range and again hugely popular for longer/easy distance running.Again mild to moderate pronators.
Mizuno wearers seem to be hooked for life, those that like them just seem to swear by them and won't change. I'm sort of leaning toward this crowd. The precisions I own are fantastic and offer terriffic support for a lighter shoe. I think for those that can't or won't get into race flats, these are a great race shoe. If you try mIZUNO , YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT MODEL TO SUIT YOUR RUNNING STYLE.
The cons with the Adrenalin and Keyano are that they are both fairly heavy shoes comparatively. tHE GOOD SIDE IS THAT they offer max support.
Hope this helps
Rith
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 04:10 PM
Janine,
I was wearing Kayanos for quite a while but the last pair I had a very high arch which did not suit. I switched to Mizuno Wave Riders which have been very good, although they do not seem to be wearing well. I have two pairs, one of which I use weekly for a trail run and they are due for replacement after about 600k. I have never used Brooks but each time I have tried them in the shops that have not felt comfortable.
I was wearing Kayanos for quite a while but the last pair I had a very high arch which did not suit. I switched to Mizuno Wave Riders which have been very good, although they do not seem to be wearing well. I have two pairs, one of which I use weekly for a trail run and they are due for replacement after about 600k. I have never used Brooks but each time I have tried them in the shops that have not felt comfortable.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 04:29 PM
Janine, don't forget Loco shoes. The last Brooks Glycerines I had were too narrow causing blisters for the first month. Worst shoes I ever used were a pair of cheap Asics from Paul's warehouse which caused blood blisters on the big toe.
I did my run to work today in 33:38, last week was 37:00 and the week before 38:00. The Loco shoes are cheaper at $125, lighter, more durable tread and they have a reflective strip.
Should be able to take on Vault_man soon.
I did my run to work today in 33:38, last week was 37:00 and the week before 38:00. The Loco shoes are cheaper at $125, lighter, more durable tread and they have a reflective strip.
Should be able to take on Vault_man soon.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 06:41 PM
Janine,
I tend to alternate between Asics 20XX (on 2090's at the moment) and Brooks Adrenalines.
The Adrenalines offer good support but seem to lose cushioning fairly quickly and become hard (like running in bricks as someone said on another thread). The 2090's keep softer longer but tend to get thin in the ball area and I sort of feel the road a bit more.
I have owned two pair of Mizuno shoes and didn't like either of them - only wore them for maybe 200 clicks and got blisters, sore feet, you name it. Threw them away - expensive mistake. $200 is a lot of money for most of us.
I'm a bit of a lighter runner and don't bang into the ground so I can get by with the 2090's or Adrenalines regardless of what they might feel like after a couple of hundred clicks. But as discussed on another thread the 2090's lining wears out fairly quickly - for me it didn't matter but others say it gives them blisters.
Everyone's got their opinion but if you want mine then I would steer clear of Mizuno's.
I tend to alternate between Asics 20XX (on 2090's at the moment) and Brooks Adrenalines.
The Adrenalines offer good support but seem to lose cushioning fairly quickly and become hard (like running in bricks as someone said on another thread). The 2090's keep softer longer but tend to get thin in the ball area and I sort of feel the road a bit more.
I have owned two pair of Mizuno shoes and didn't like either of them - only wore them for maybe 200 clicks and got blisters, sore feet, you name it. Threw them away - expensive mistake. $200 is a lot of money for most of us.
I'm a bit of a lighter runner and don't bang into the ground so I can get by with the 2090's or Adrenalines regardless of what they might feel like after a couple of hundred clicks. But as discussed on another thread the 2090's lining wears out fairly quickly - for me it didn't matter but others say it gives them blisters.
Everyone's got their opinion but if you want mine then I would steer clear of Mizuno's.
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 07:43 PM
Janine,
I have been wearing Asics for a looong time. Mostly Kayano, I love them. I pronate and they give good support and have great cushioning... but I have found that they don't last very long. I sometimes get through some decent mileage, and I am lucky if they last 500km's, after that they feel hard and offer no cushioning at all. I am currently trying out a pair of brooks trance. The cushioning does not feel nearly as good as the Asics, but they are lasting much better. I must be getting close to 900-1000 km's out of this pair and there are only just starting to feel flat now. Much happier with this sort of mileage !
HTH
I have been wearing Asics for a looong time. Mostly Kayano, I love them. I pronate and they give good support and have great cushioning... but I have found that they don't last very long. I sometimes get through some decent mileage, and I am lucky if they last 500km's, after that they feel hard and offer no cushioning at all. I am currently trying out a pair of brooks trance. The cushioning does not feel nearly as good as the Asics, but they are lasting much better. I must be getting close to 900-1000 km's out of this pair and there are only just starting to feel flat now. Much happier with this sort of mileage !
HTH
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Posted 11 February 2005 - 08:36 PM
I'm a Mizuno convert. That's all I buy now, and I always get them on eBay, including a model I have never seen in Australia.
The first pair I had were Alchemy. Then I started using Mercury.
I find that they wear well, and last the typical 500 miles that most running shoes seem to.
You mentioned trail. I find that these shoes are not good on trails if there's gravel. The slot underfoot that is part of their trademark 'wave' traps pieces of gravel. However, I discovered the 'Wave Wildwood' model, which is billed as a Wave Rider, modified for off-road. They are terrific, aimed as they are for people who run on and off the road, which I do every day. That is now my permanent model. The last pair I bought on eBay cost me about AUD75, including freight.
The first pair I had were Alchemy. Then I started using Mercury.
I find that they wear well, and last the typical 500 miles that most running shoes seem to.
You mentioned trail. I find that these shoes are not good on trails if there's gravel. The slot underfoot that is part of their trademark 'wave' traps pieces of gravel. However, I discovered the 'Wave Wildwood' model, which is billed as a Wave Rider, modified for off-road. They are terrific, aimed as they are for people who run on and off the road, which I do every day. That is now my permanent model. The last pair I bought on eBay cost me about AUD75, including freight.
