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[Cliff Young's love child]

On the path back from a stress fracture at the top of the right tibia. Had three months off running and then back with gradual build up first on treadmill, then grass then combination of grass/footpath/road. As soon as I had completed first 10klm and 12 klm runs fully on road last week I developed achilles tendonitis. Physio is hoping to cure with massage and calf strengthening, definitiely on the improve.

Main question revolves around shoes as I am now a bit gunshy! I began running at around 97kgs in Nike Air Pegasus (I have a neutral foot). I probably let the midsole go too far (800klm) and think that the decrease in cushioning, the fact that the old model seemed a "soft" shoe to start with and cambered paths led to SF.

Now have Air Pegasus 2005 (340klm)which feel somewhat harder. I erred in not following the 10% rule on the comeback trail which I shan't do again but just wondering what more learned opinion would be regarding my shoe selection. Given the recent injuries perhaps a change is in order to more shock absorbent show, perhaps a Brooks Adrenaline? I'm 5' 10 and 87kgs at present but generally run at about 80-82 kgs.

[langswm]

CYlc
I'm about the same height and weight fluctuates between 82 and 84 kg, so about the same as you. I am a slight pronator, and have been on the Adrenaline's for about 12 months. They are a slightly heavier shoe than the Asic's equivalent (2100, 2110 etc), but I've been pretty happy with them.

[FakePlasticTrees]

CYlc,

I've been following your exploits for a while and decided that basically you are me but delayed by a year. I wasn't wearing the Nike Pegasus but was wearing a shoe more suited for a neutral person when I got my stress fracture.

I switched to a different Nike shoe. The Nike Structure Triax 8 and am in love with this shoe. It's got support and cushioning. It's a pleasure to traverse the nations roadways wearing this shoe. It's probably lighter than the Pegasus as well.

I'm about 84kgs at the moment. I did try the adrenalines one point and hated them. Personal preference I guess.

[Cliff Young's love child]

Thanks guys, much appreciated. Langswm, were you in Asics before switching to the Adrenaline?

FakePlasticTrees, how'd you go with your SF recovery, hope all went well. I probably got a bit cocky when my SF recovered and my eye lit up a bit. What really turned you off the Adrenaline? weight? Too much support?

CYlc

[langswm]

I was in the Asics first. Not sure exactly why I changed. I think it was after a bit of advice from Podrunner, after a few calf/hammie niggles, plus the "2000" series went through a few major changes at the time. I believe the 2100 series is back on the right track and really is very similar now to the Adrenaline's, although I have not tried them again yet.

[TheShuffler]

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Originally posted by Cliff Young's love child:
I developed achilles tendonitis. Physio is hoping to cure with massage and calf strengthening, definitiely on the improve.

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[/indent]Hi, have you ever tried acupuncture for your tendonitis? It worked wonders for me.

[FakePlasticTrees]

They made me feel like I was slapping down onto the pavement. Felt like there was no cushioning at all. I got the same thing in the Asics 2080. If you are going to be doing a lot of grass running (which you should do on return from the SF), then lesser cushioning in the shoe is OK. Most of my running is on roads/pavement so I wanted the extra cushioning.

Stress fracture has been alright for over a year now. Sometimes I get little pains near the area, in particular recently the whole right medial knee developed pain. This was due to excessively tight hamstrings at the tibia attachment. Need to keep my stretches and pilates going.

[Cliff Young's love child]

Shuffler, haven't tried acupuncture yet, I'm hoping I got onto it early enough for strenghtening and stretching to work. Will try anything which works if it continues though.

FPT, I came back from the SF on tready and then grass then back to the road and no probs till overdid it on the road. Am strangely attracted to bitumen so will give the Triax a burl upon my steady return.

Was also a bit concerned with the Pegasus when bits of the sole started needing glueing down after around 300klms?

CYlc

[charlieboy]

Cliff,

Do yourself a favour and try the Brooks Beasts. Best support and cushioning of any running shoe. Weighs more so you may not want to race in them but for doing long km on hard surfaces they are fantastic. They cost $200 but will last much longer than anything else.

All the best

Charlie

[TheShuffler]

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Originally posted by charlieboy:
Cliff,

Do yourself a favour and try the Brooks Beasts. Best support and cushioning of any running shoe. Weighs more so you may not want to race in them but for doing long km on hard surfaces they are fantastic. They cost $200 but will last much longer than anything else.

All the best

Charlie

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[/indent]I agree, I have the female version Ariel, and I'm on my second pair. I hope they keep making them because once I switched into them, like running clouds. And as far as the acupunture, I was out for 6 weeks with the first bout of tendonitis, the second time I tried acupunture, cut it to 2 weeks. I use it on my back too, it's amazing. Works better on the back, but still saw it on the ankle.

[Pabags]

CYlc

Similar height and weight to you (5'10" & 81kg) and have switched over to Air Pegasus for my longer runs and Air Zoom for the shorter and interval stuff. Previously used Asics DS Trainers but since getting the Nike's have found them excellent. Used Pegasus years ago till they took them off the market but good to see they are back.
Remember that everyone is different and the advice we give on here may not suit you. Maybe a proper evaluation from a reputeable running shop might be the go.

Good luck

Pabags :)

[Winston]

Please disregard all advice on here regarding shoe selection! If, and i do stress if, you are a neautral runner with no biomechanical concerns and the pegasus is the correct shape of shoe for you do not try any of the suggested shoes in here.

They are all recommended for pronators and exteme over pronators. If you are looking for other brand equivalents to the Pegasus, try the following.
Asics, Nimubs or new $300 money spinner the Kinsei
Brooks, Glycerin, Epiphany, Radius
Mizuno, Rider or Creation
Adidas, One, Supernova Cushion

Get checked by a foot specialist to assess your foot type then go from there.

As to the Asics Brooks debate, Used to run in asics, changed over to Brooks about 3 years ago, so far wont go back to the equivalent shoe in the asics, this being the Adrenaline vs 2100 series. I do trining kms in the brooks and race in an adidas however i do have an asics flat which i used once and now its a "casual" shoe, a saucony flat which is a little to narrow, and a brooks flat which is a one off, one of a kind that i want to save for a special occasion i suppose.

NB: most shoes i have been told are based on the typical runner physique, 70kg Male and far less for women. This is not true with all shoes, beast being an exception and some others too. Runners generally go for 800-1000km with plenty of variables thrown in there so its hard to say when to rotate shoes, injury or unusual pain may be a sign.
Good Luck :)

[Mars]

Hi I'm the same as you. Racing weight 82kgs, but currently more like 90kgs. I've just had a few months off after getting married and xmas etc.

Last year in 2005 I ran about 7,000 kms in the one pair of shoes. I am a neutral footstrike.

Asics Gel Nimbus.

No injuries. It's my 6th pair. Never had any injuries. They still have good absorbency.

2004 I ran about 5,000 kms in my previous pair. No dramas at all.

Prior to those six pairs I had Nike Air Icarus in 1998. Stress fracture.

Then went to London (1999) and got another pair of Nike. Top of the range air bubble not sure of the model name. Stress fracture. Actually I vaguely remember it was called Nike Air Triax? Or maybe that was the watch I bought? Not sure.

Found the Gel Nimbus in London in the year 2000. No injuries since.

Worth a test try out in the store anyway.

You can get some for about $160-180 at the running shop in Clovelly, neara The Duke of Gloucester Hotel.

But these babies last a long time.

[Cliff Young's love child]

When I first had problem with ITBS and before getting the SF diagnosis from a bone scan I visited a Podiatrist for gait analysis on treadmill and he agreed with my thoughts. Neutral and no biomechnical problems. He also seemed to think the Air Pegasus that I had at the time would be fine. I simply updated to the 2005 model when my old pair lost cushioning. Problem is, have had SF since and now achilles tendonitis so hence thinking of a shoe change. Maybe real issue is shoes designed for whippets don't give the support needed for slugs like me that gain 5-6 kilos whilst on lay offs. When fit I run at around 82kgs. Am now at 87kgs due to the layoff. maybe I need a more cushioned shoe till I get fit and drop the weight?

CYlc

[brucer]

thanks evryone.
i am approx weight and height so all the inforamtion is excellent - good thread :D