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Obi-Wan
OK, it looks like I'm going to be pacer in an upcomoing half marathon and I'd like to know what everyone thinks you need to do to be a good pacer. I was basically planning on running an even split but what else do I need to do, tell jokes, party tricks, etc? What are those little things that make the difference?
Action
Dead even splits are critical - carry a card with them on so there is no chance of straying too far off pace. If you stray off pace then return to pace gently. Be visible - make sure it is obvious to all that you are the pacer. Be positive. Talk about milestones along the way (5k, 10k, half way... that sort of thing), and remind people to drink - be an early warning for drink stops.... as the race gets to the pointy end start to herd and up the level of encouragement... good luck, it is a very rewarding experience. Which race is it?
:D

PS - make sure you can do the pace on your ear - you have to be able to cruise it - people are relying on you!
wombatface
Obi-Wan, I presume you are pacing a 'slow' group to a particular time. It's unethical to pace one person (you are providing them with assistance) especially if they are in contention for category prizes.

You need to be very familiar with the correct even pace (taking into consideration terrain). Err on the side of slowness for the first 3km - e.g. 5:05-5:10's if aiming for 5:00/km - then gradually hit 5:00's (not 4:50's!). Keep the group behind you for the first 5km.

You need to keep as many people in the group for as long as possible by quietly encourageing those going through bad patches. So, after 5km you will have to move to the back of the group and return to the front quite frequently. Obviously the goal pace will have to be comfortable for you. After you surge back to the front of the group, slow down to the correct pace.

Don't tell jokes, play party tricks or talk too much. Just hit the right splits and offer positive feedback when this is done. Don't try to 'have conversations' with the runners. Just expect a nod or one-word answer. Good luck! (w)

Stu Mac
quote:
Originally posted by wombatface:
Don't tell jokes, play party tricks or talk too much. Just hit the right splits and offer positive feedback when this is done. Don't try to 'have conversations' with the runners. Just expect a nod or one-word answer. Good luck

I have never been involved with an official pacer, so I cannot provide any advice. I have a question for wombatface; why not talk much? I can understand not starting too many conversations, as the people using the pacer are probably close to their race pace, but I would think listening to some guy dribbling on about stuff would be handy as it could/should take your mind away from the hard work???

Just my thoughts.
Highway man
All good advice.

Also, be careful about starting at an appropriate place in the pack, not too close to the front if running slower, and not too far back so as to make a large gap in the gun/chip timing (if it is being used).

I'd recommend telling everybody that you are aiming to run even splits that will get you to the finish in just under goal time, measured off the gun time. This may mean needing to run slightly faster if you have started back in the pack, to make up for any delay in crossing the start line.

Good luck, it is great fun seeing people meet their goal time at the end. :)
Steve 'The Footman'
Stu Mac and Wombatface some people like distraction with constant conversation but it just pisses off most people. I am of the belief that there should only be comments that keep the runners focused on the race at the end. Association when it gets hard will get a better result than disassociation.

Wombatface I think 'unethical' is a little harsh considering what goes on at the elite levels of almost every international road race. Is the fact that the organisers have paid pacers make it any better? There is no doubt that Paula has had pacers help her to world records who were not interested any helping any one else, mostly because no one else was fast enough. I have more of a problem with people pacing part of the way and that happens just as much, for example bannisters 4 minute mile. Perhaps the biggest issue is pacing females by males. We had to threaten disqualification midrace at one of our women's only races because the leader was being paced by a non-entrant brother but in most mixed races it is harder to identify. Often the male who is pacing is not as good as the female anyway. I paced a group of females in the Brisbane marathon years ago who all ended up top 10 but they also all whiped my butt.

In the end ethics of pacing is a contentious issue with no black and white rules. Even the IAAF guidelines are not able to be enforced internationaly. So the question of ethics in pacing local races is not clear cut.
superflake
I ran with a 100min pace group for my first half marathon which was at Sydney 2004.
The pacer was Springer and before the start he found a good spot in the middle of the field I guess. About the right spot so we wouldn't hold people up or be forced to go too fast.

Springer did have some laminated cards that he handed out showing the splits to make 100mins.
He told us he would be stopping at all the drink stations as well.

He ran through the 10k in 48mins and then made the finish in the required time. Most of the group that started got through under the time but some faded.

Springer always encouraged us along the way.
He did make a point of starting slow so we would have enough in the tank to get home.
I ended up with a 98min gun time as I ran ahead near the end.

Springers PB I think is closer to 80mins so the 100min pace was a training run for him.
He was doing Melbourne a month later.
wombatface
Steve, regarding the 'ethics' of pacing I think it has relevance for mid-pack runners - especially for those in contention for prizes.

If I were a female runner I would be upset if beaten by another female who had been paced 'evenly' (perhaps coming from behind) by a male runner or 'coach'.

On the 'talking too much' question. I agree with you Steve. It annoys the hell out of me to have a pacer (or somebody else 'just jogging') chatting continuously when I only have enough oxygen for an odd grunt or two. (w)

Virtual
All,

Great debate.

I use a Garmin GPS that has a pacing function. you program a distance and time and it tells you haw far in front or behind the pacer you are. For example I wanted to run a 3:50 marathon at Williamstown last weekend so I just programmed the pacer to keep me on the right speed, I ended up feeling good so I ran away from the pacer in the second half. I used this in Canberra too but fell off the pace and posted 3:53.

I can't see any difference between using a live pacer or an electronic pacer. Do I feel unethical? Not really. If I was an elite runner vying for a place on the podium would it change my view. I don't think so. (This is the bit where I look out the window for 30sec and daydream about me and the GPS unit accepting the flowers and the huge trophy after winning the New York Marathon) oh.. then there is the acceptance speech from the GPS unit..

On another note..


quote:
Originally posted by wombatface:

If I were a female runner I would be upset if beaten by another female who had been paced 'evenly'...by a male runner or 'coach'. (w)

Wombatface, Suppose you are a male runner being paced by a female pacer. Would you be less upset Is it ethical for blokes but not for girls?

Cheers, Brendan
wombatface
Brendan, I was just using that example as it's more common for females to be paced by male friends or coaches. I would be equally against a male category contender being paced by a female 'coach'.

One-on-one pacing is particularly advantageous in windy conditions.

I'm not against slower runners or beginners being paced if they are just running for a 'PB' and not competing for a prize or medal. I'm not against a faster person running 'with somebody' to show them the way or keep them company. (e)

James M
I agree with Action in that you must have a preorganised pace set up in advance based on even pacing all the way. Having said that i have paced a 3:38 marathon in canberra 03 and the bulk of the group finished with me, we even paced for 38 k's then had a provision for a 1% per k slowdown. The group knew about the slowdown at the end and most didn't bother with it and kept on pretty well even pacing for the last 4, maybe the thought that they could slow a bit made it a little less worrying. I have paced a few 10 k's at the Striders 10 k runs and try to run even 1 k splits and if those left at 8 k are able we then pick it up for the finish, works both ways just depends on who is in the group.
Re the talking thing, I just let it happen although sometimes being a pest can take your mind off other things.
Just my thoughts.
Jim
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